sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 6
th, 2011 at 1:15pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 6
th, 2011 at 12:55pm:
[quote author=alevine link=1301998074/15#24 date=1302056179]
Yes I've heard this line before, and even the ones that only made it to first grade are the 'educated' ones.
And all the woman that were refused schooling in their country because they are female, I suppose they are educated too?
And their highly skilled means what in a non-industrialised country?
Even the East Germans that worked in the auto shops couldn't get a job in West Germany when the wall came down in the 90's.
Why?
Because they don't make cars by hand in West Germany, and who wanted the crappy Eastern ones when they can buy a BMW or Mercedes.
And even if a small few are educated and trained, they would still find it difficult and not because of bias.
But simply because their qualifications are not recognised in this State or country, and they need 're-educating'.
Which is why the few foreign doctors and nurses that come here which we are critically short of can't get a go here.
So being a first class spear sharpener or goat herder means what to us?
The disincentive to the boat crew is to throw them in the slammer for ten years, the disincentive for the lot is to re-open Nauru and reintroduce TPV's.
Because we have come from the high point of 1 boat a year for 3 years and 5 detainees on Nauru thanks to Howard, to the ridiculous situation we are in now.
There is no way to remove the clientelle as you suggest, the situation in foreign lands is totally out of our hands, and their are millions of people waiting in camps.
And we can't solve all the worlds problems.
All thanks to to this incompetent and inept government we are in the situation we are in now.
Most migrants have to re-certify in Australia. Doesn't mean the person isn't educated, and generally speaking with the skills they have and upon re-certification they'll do a lot better than our wonderful growing bogan community. And when we are talking about unskilled women, that can be referred to certain cultures only, and unlike some on this forum, I'm against discrimination of a minority. Despite what The Australian likes to publish, not all refugees are from Afghanistan.
Once again I repeat: the disincentive for boat crew is to not have a product. But like in anything, you don't treat the product harshly and extremely in an attempt to punish the product seller.
1. TPV are a hoax - how many actually left based on the visa, and furthermore, you can't resettle a person, ask them to gain employment, a skill, and then kick them out. It doesn't work like that. Otherwise, I vote we don't allow Hickory, and people like Hickory, back in.
2. Nauru is not a refugee convention signatory. If it was, then whatever. But, it isn't.
3. How much money did Howard spend to demonise refugees? I'll post it up for you as soon as I check ABS (busy with r/l atm).
4. Once again, stop worrying bout issues that don't impact you in anyway. Concentrate on the growing bogan communities and the fact that in Illawarra, 193 kids are being removed from their home (at the moment at a rate of 1 per day). THAT IS AN ISSUE that impacts this society.
We will see in the budget how this wont effect us when Gillard has to take more money that would have gone to the states in GST to fund our hospitals, roads, education etc to prop up their runaway border protection policy that they no longer control.
And I will also see how much their piss poor policy costs me when this fracking goat track called the Bruce Highway goes underwater again next year up here.
193 Aussie kids removed from bogan homes in the Illawarra will effect me less.
Perhaps the government and do gooders shouldn't have interferred in the family home and schools with discipline and taken away the rights of parents. Just a thought.
And how much money did Howard spend, well I would say alot less than this wasteful incompetent government which now exists on crisis management.
5 detainees left on Nauru with only Villawood Detention Centre open after Howard closed down the other centres compared to the situation today.
What do you think.
Labors current 'policy' (if it can be called that) is akin to them putting more ambulances at the bottom of the Gap in Sydney to be seen to be doing 'something' about an increase in suicides.
The horse has bolted, and the effort is wasted.
The reality is with TPV's and Nauru, the boats stopped.
One boat a year for three years.
The sewing of lips stopped.
The excessive waste of money stopped with endless appeals.
Only 5 detainees left on Nauru with nearly all the centres closed on the mainland.
And the criminal boat crews had to go back to having real jobs again.
And that's no hoax.
The disincentive for a boats crew might well be to not have a product, and who is going to arrange and make that happen?
Are we going to invade other countries and oust their governments?
What exactly do you propose to 'stop' the clientelle?
Face it, that's just science fiction.
Inject some punative measures would acheive a better result, and that's something we can control.
Cant have a boats crew whilst their painting rocks white in the central desert for 10 years.
And when they are released, I just bet they won't come back for seconds like they do now.
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