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Reply #15 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:33am

nichy wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

While Egypt guns down Sudanese refugees fleeing the murderous oppression of their government, Israel gives them home and shelter.

While Lebanon denies Palestinian refugees access to healthcare, Israel provides emergency treatment for the residents of the West Bank and Gaza strip.

while Syria keeps the Palestinians in refugee camps and sporadically slaughters them, Israel offered full citizenship to all its Palestinians after the Arab states attempted to destroy Israel and slaughter its Holocaust survivors in 1948.

That's a terrible list of crimes, if a little selective.

Why don't you list ALL of the crimes against the Jewry?

You could mention Australia, and England, and the USA, and Nazi Germany, and the Catholic Church, and the ghettoes in European cities, and pogroms, and the polish peoples' connivance with the nazis, and the slavs.

All true.

Is that a justification for Israel's behaviour?

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Reply #16 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:35am

Equitist wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

Much as it is unusual me to be in agreement with some of the more rabid extremists here, I agree that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. The whole middle east question has taken up far to much of the time, effort and resources of the rest of the world and I for one am sick of hearing about it. Every other nation should just ignore them until they learn to play nicely together.

I do not understand why the Libs are playing this anti-semitic game - what mileage do they hope to get out of criticising political opponents for refusing to support a regime that commits such atrocities - especially in the context of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan (and Lybia) on the pretext of stopping similar atrocities!?

I think the criticism is mainly directed at looneys like the Marrickville counsellors who are imposing their own boycotts against Israel. This sort of thing is totally outside the purview of the local council, who should be concerned with roads, rates and rubbish and leaving foreign policy to those that are elected to deal with it.

If we were to boycott every nation with questionable human rights records we would find ourselves rather lonely. China for example. A major trading partner yet no one would say they are a paragon of human rights. Why is Marrickville council not boycotting China?

This is the difference between ridiculous political posturing and practical politics. We may not approve of the actions of certain countries but we must deal with them. Israel is not blameless in the way it conducts its affairs and had played the guilt card masterfully over the last 60 odd years to retain western support. However they are a stable semi-democracy in a region that has very little of either and has far superior human rghts record to any of its neighbours, even if not as good as we may wish it. Supporting them is the most practical course.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)

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Reply #18 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:44am

"This is the difference between ridiculous political posturing and practical politics. We may not approve of the actions of certain countries but we must deal with them. Israel is not blameless in the way it conducts its affairs and had played the guilt card masterfully over the last 60 odd years to retain western support. However they are a stable semi-democracy in a region that has very little of either and has far superior human rghts record to any of its neighbours, even if not as good as we may wish it. Supporting them is the most practical course. "

All fair comment, well said.

But like countries, we have a spectrum of political positions from our spectrum of pollies.

Bogarde's attempt to slander one party, because of one person's sillier utterances, is not constructive.

As I remember, even the coalition has its' "mad uncles".

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Reply #19 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:41pm

Bogarde's attempt to slander one party,????

I posted a newspaper cutting the author of which swears it is a verbatim account of the Greens comments. I also commented that these reports seem to be happening regularly.
If you consult your dictionary you'll find that a charge of slander requires the malicious making of false reports.

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