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Greens Party lack economic credibility
Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:44pm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-warn-labor-against-punishing-households-while-rewarding-big-business/story-fn59niix-1226033132019

BOB Brown has warned of further tensions between the Greens and the Gillard government if it rewards big business over households in the upcoming May budget.

The Greens leader acknowledged that his relationship with Julia Gillard had now changed, describing her criticism of his party last week as a “serious turning of events”.

He said the Prime Minister's attack on the Greens as extremists was deliberate, gratuitous and insulting to 1.5 million Greens voters.

Claiming mainstream status for the Greens, once again, Senator Brown said his party would take a stand against Labor if its budget punished households.

“One of the things that's coming down the line is a very harsh budget,” he told ABC.

“We are going to continue to tackle the government if its budgeting we think is unnecessarily harsh on average Australians, and that's a matter that is going to lead to some tension between the Greens and Labor in the coming months.”

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Reply #1 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:48pm

Lets think about this logically.....

Brown says he does not want to punish households but he wants to punish big business by putting a tax on them

But he has not given an workable solutions

Here are some facts Bob Brown

(1) ANY tax you put on a business will be passed onto consumers ie the Carbon Tax will hit householders

(2) So you are NEVER going to punish big business unless you can pass a law that stops them from passing on the additional tax

So on one hand you scream about helping households - but on the other hand you are doing everything you can to punish them!!

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Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:53pm

You do realise that households will be compensated, no? And pricing carbon is more than just a stick to beat big emitters with, it's a price signal that will induce big emitters to look at ways to reduce emissions while stimulating capital investment into clean tech.

You economic alarmists really do miss the bigger picture.

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Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:56pm

astro_surf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:53pm:

You do realise that households will be compensated, no?

The whole idea about a tax is to penalise an action thereby making these businesses change their actions

If businesses can pass on the costs to consumers and the consumers are then compensated for the additional costs then why would anyone change their habits?

So it's a meaningless tax that does nothing to change people's carbon habits

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Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:57pm

astro_surf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:53pm:

You do realise that households will be compensated, no? And pricing carbon is more than just a stick to beat big emitters with, it's a price signal that will induce big emitters to look at ways to reduce emissions while stimulating capital investment into clean tech.

You economic alarmists really do miss the bigger picture.

why invest more money when they can pass the additional tax costs to consumers?

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Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:03pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

Lets think about this logically.....

Brown says he does not want to punish households but he wants to punish big business by putting a tax on them

But he has not given an workable solutions

Here are some facts Bob Brown

(1) ANY tax you put on a business will be passed onto consumers ie the Carbon Tax will hit householders

Housholders, who will recieve COMPENSATION PACKAGES
In the form of tax cuts - and pension increases

A REALITY - you conveniently AVOID

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Greens Party lack economic credibility Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:06pm what about the current increases in the price of petrol and electricity ?? no carbon tax need for that it's already happening what are you libbos going to do about it ??
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Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:08pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

Lets think about this logically.....

Brown says he does not want to punish households but he wants to punish big business by putting a tax on them

But he has not given an workable solutions

Here are some facts Bob Brown

(1) ANY tax you put on a business will be passed onto consumers ie the Carbon Tax will hit householders

(2) So you are NEVER going to punish big business unless you can pass a law that stops them from passing on the additional tax

So on one hand you scream about helping households - but on the other hand you are doing everything you can to punish them!!

Idiots aren't they. Business is in it for a profit. They usually go for a steady % of profit compared to investment.

If they have set a target for 10% profit, then they will just change things to make the 10%.

They will either get rid of jobs, spend less on expenses (money out of the community) or they will up the prices.

Very rarely will they obsorb the cost unless they are making more profit than the set %

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Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

Lets think about this logically.....

Brown says he does not want to punish households but he wants to punish big business by putting a tax on them

But he has not given an workable solutions

Here are some facts Bob Brown

(1) ANY tax you put on a business will be passed onto consumers ie the Carbon Tax will hit householders

(2) So you are NEVER going to punish big business unless you can pass a law that stops them from passing on the additional tax

So on one hand you scream about helping households - but on the other hand you are doing everything you can to punish them!!

Idiots aren't they. Business is in it for a profit. They usually go for a steady % of profit compared to investment.

If they have set a target for 10% profit, then they will just change things to make the 10%.

They will either get rid of jobs, spend less on expenses (money out of the community) or they will up the prices.

Very rarely will they obsorb the cost unless they are making more profit than the set %

so what are you going to do about the current increases in the cost of petrol and electricity ??

how come you're not bitching about that ??

got any solutions to the rising cost of energy or does it only matter if it's a consequence of greens policies ??

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Greens Party lack economic credibility Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:13pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:06pm: what about the current increases in the price of petrol and electricity ?? no carbon tax need for that it's already happening what are you libbos going to do about it ?? the ALP wanted to install a Petrol Watch - how's that working out for lefties? .
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Reply #10 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:16pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

Lets think about this logically.....

Brown says he does not want to punish households but he wants to punish big business by putting a tax on them

But he has not given an workable solutions

Here are some facts Bob Brown

(1) ANY tax you put on a business will be passed onto consumers ie the Carbon Tax will hit householders

Housholders, who will recieve COMPENSATION PACKAGES
In the form of tax cuts - and pension increases

A REALITY - you conveniently AVOID

I have already answered this question

if it's as you say then the price increase are compensated by compensations then why would anyone reduce their carbon footprint?

ie another useless Labor policy

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Greens Party lack economic credibility Reply #11 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:24pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:06pm: what about the current increases in the price of petrol and electricity ?? I spend $6.00 a week on petrol I don't KNOW about that ? I get my water from "up above"
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Reply #12 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:26pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

Lets think about this logically.....

Brown says he does not want to punish households but he wants to punish big business by putting a tax on them

But he has not given an workable solutions

Here are some facts Bob Brown

(1) ANY tax you put on a business will be passed onto consumers ie the Carbon Tax will hit householders

(2) So you are NEVER going to punish big business unless you can pass a law that stops them from passing on the additional tax

So on one hand you scream about helping households - but on the other hand you are doing everything you can to punish them!!

I hope that didn't hurt too much Maqqa, slr, Mellie?

After all, it doesn't seem like you use those grey cells to much!

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Greens Party lack economic credibility Reply #13 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:29pm Sorry, I got diverted! Ah yes, the Greens Party lack economic credibility? I would agree with that Maqqa, slr, Mellie! But, so to, do the Liberals & Labor! It really is, pick the least worst, of the bad bunch?
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Reply #14 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:49pm

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 6:26pm:

I hope that didn't hurt too much Maqqa, slr, Mellie?

After all, it doesn't seem like you use those grey cells to much!

So you lead with an insult rather than a coherent rebuttal - typical!

Last but not least I have never made my ID a secret ie I am known by slr and macca or maqqa - but I am not mellie

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