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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #45 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter.
...

You say neither, I say niether -
It is believed that for some unknown reason, there was a sudden loss of water that was used to cool 1,661 uranium fuel assemblies that were set in pressure pipes surrounded by 1,700 tons of graphite blocks, causing the fuel rods to overheat. The zirconium alloy around the fuel assemblies, along with the pressure tubing, melted at about 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, overheating the graphite. The temperature rose still more. At 5,100 degrees Fahrenheit, the uranium-oxide fuel began to melt. The operators flooded the reactor with water. It was too late and the water was instantly turned into a superheated steam, which reacted with the graphite, fuel and zirconium to produce hydrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide. Over many hours, the gases built up and combined with oxygen released by the cracked pressure tubes, triggering a massive explosion. (Barnathan & Strasser 22-23)

In any event, forgetting cause & effect, many of the outcomes are similar, in terms of some health problems, but the Fukushima Economic outcomes will clearly be much, much greater!

Perhaps not, it depends on who you accept as a valid source of information. I certain don't accept your uncorroberated words!

Exactly
....now, the big difference between the Fukushima reactors and Chernobyl #4 is this...Fukushima HAS got RPV's and Containment Vessels...Chernobyl didn't...

I understand about Chernobyl....they were running a test on one of the emergency core cooling features (which obviously didn't work) and the temperature spiked....And yes adding water did cause the steam explosions which ruptured the reactor casing...

However it didn't take 'hours' for the pressure to blast the casing open...

The test started at 1:23:04 am, the automatic systems triggered an emergency shut down (SCRAM) 36 seconds later, and the first explosion was a 'few' seconds after that and the second 3 seconds later..etc..

The fire alarms went off (after the casing ruptured and set fire to the building) at 1:26:03 am...a little under 3 minutes later...

Anyway...the point is, none of this has happened in Japan...because we'd sure as hell know by now...AND in the case of Fukushima...even if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured, there are still TWO more levels of containment that must fail before the reactor core is exposed to the air...

So, was that you agreeing that I shouldn't take your word, for anything, as you keep changing what you say?

So, after the RPV ruptures/cracks/melts, there are still 2 more levels of containment, before the core is exposed?

And, they are what?

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #46 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter.
...

You say neither, I say niether -
It is believed that for some unknown reason, there was a sudden loss of water that was used to cool 1,661 uranium fuel assemblies that were set in pressure pipes surrounded by 1,700 tons of graphite blocks, causing the fuel rods to overheat. The zirconium alloy around the fuel assemblies, along with the pressure tubing, melted at about 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, overheating the graphite. The temperature rose still more. At 5,100 degrees Fahrenheit, the uranium-oxide fuel began to melt. The operators flooded the reactor with water. It was too late and the water was instantly turned into a superheated steam, which reacted with the graphite, fuel and zirconium to produce hydrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide. Over many hours, the gases built up and combined with oxygen released by the cracked pressure tubes, triggering a massive explosion. (Barnathan & Strasser 22-23)

In any event, forgetting cause & effect, many of the outcomes are similar, in terms of some health problems, but the Fukushima Economic outcomes will clearly be much, much greater!

Perhaps not, it depends on who you accept as a valid source of information. I certain don't accept your uncorroberated words!

Exactly
....now, the big difference between the Fukushima reactors and Chernobyl #4 is this...Fukushima HAS got RPV's and Containment Vessels...Chernobyl didn't...

I understand about Chernobyl....they were running a test on one of the emergency core cooling features (which obviously didn't work) and the temperature spiked....And yes adding water did cause the steam explosions which ruptured the reactor casing...

However it didn't take 'hours' for the pressure to blast the casing open...

The test started at 1:23:04 am, the automatic systems triggered an emergency shut down (SCRAM) 36 seconds later, and the first explosion was a 'few' seconds after that and the second 3 seconds later..etc..

The fire alarms went off (after the casing ruptured and set fire to the building) at 1:26:03 am...a little under 3 minutes later...

Anyway...the point is, none of this has happened in Japan...because we'd sure as hell know by now...AND in the case of Fukushima...even if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured, there are still TWO more levels of containment that must fail before the reactor core is exposed to the air...

So, was that you agreeing that I shouldn't take your word, for anything, as you keep changing what you say?

So, after the RPV ruptures/cracks/melts, there are still 2 more levels of containment, before the core is exposed?

And, they are what?

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #47 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter.
...

You say neither, I say niether -
It is believed that for some unknown reason, there was a sudden loss of water that was used to cool 1,661 uranium fuel assemblies that were set in pressure pipes surrounded by 1,700 tons of graphite blocks, causing the fuel rods to overheat. The zirconium alloy around the fuel assemblies, along with the pressure tubing, melted at about 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, overheating the graphite. The temperature rose still more. At 5,100 degrees Fahrenheit, the uranium-oxide fuel began to melt. The operators flooded the reactor with water. It was too late and the water was instantly turned into a superheated steam, which reacted with the graphite, fuel and zirconium to produce hydrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide. Over many hours, the gases built up and combined with oxygen released by the cracked pressure tubes, triggering a massive explosion. (Barnathan & Strasser 22-23)

In any event, forgetting cause & effect, many of the outcomes are similar, in terms of some health problems, but the Fukushima Economic outcomes will clearly be much, much greater!

Perhaps not, it depends on who you accept as a valid source of information. I certain don't accept your uncorroberated words!

Exactly
....now, the big difference between the Fukushima reactors and Chernobyl #4 is this...Fukushima HAS got RPV's and Containment Vessels...Chernobyl didn't...

I understand about Chernobyl....they were running a test on one of the emergency core cooling features (which obviously didn't work) and the temperature spiked....And yes adding water did cause the steam explosions which ruptured the reactor casing...

However it didn't take 'hours' for the pressure to blast the casing open...

The test started at 1:23:04 am, the automatic systems triggered an emergency shut down (SCRAM) 36 seconds later, and the first explosion was a 'few' seconds after that and the second 3 seconds later..etc..

The fire alarms went off (after the casing ruptured and set fire to the building) at 1:26:03 am...a little under 3 minutes later...

Anyway...the point is, none of this has happened in Japan...because we'd sure as hell know by now...AND in the case of Fukushima...even if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured, there are still TWO more levels of containment that must fail before the reactor core is exposed to the air...

So, was that you agreeing that I shouldn't take your word, for anything, as you keep changing what you say?

So, after the RPV ruptures/cracks/melts, there are still 2 more levels of containment, before the core is exposed?

And, they are what?

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

Now, let's just clarify?

You talked about if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured and you talked about the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions.

Are they both not the same as the Reactor Pressure Vessel (RPV), that I raised?

And, in case you haven't noticed, much of the surrounding Concrete & Steel building structure, is no longer there on a few of these Fukushima reactors!

Is that about right?

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #48 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:40pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter....

splitting hairs are you gizmo Wink

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #49 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:41pm

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter.
...

You say neither, I say niether -
It is believed that for some unknown reason, there was a sudden loss of water that was used to cool 1,661 uranium fuel assemblies that were set in pressure pipes surrounded by 1,700 tons of graphite blocks, causing the fuel rods to overheat. The zirconium alloy around the fuel assemblies, along with the pressure tubing, melted at about 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, overheating the graphite. The temperature rose still more. At 5,100 degrees Fahrenheit, the uranium-oxide fuel began to melt. The operators flooded the reactor with water. It was too late and the water was instantly turned into a superheated steam, which reacted with the graphite, fuel and zirconium to produce hydrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide. Over many hours, the gases built up and combined with oxygen released by the cracked pressure tubes, triggering a massive explosion. (Barnathan & Strasser 22-23)

In any event, forgetting cause & effect, many of the outcomes are similar, in terms of some health problems, but the Fukushima Economic outcomes will clearly be much, much greater!

Perhaps not, it depends on who you accept as a valid source of information. I certain don't accept your uncorroberated words!

Exactly
....now, the big difference between the Fukushima reactors and Chernobyl #4 is this...Fukushima HAS got RPV's and Containment Vessels...Chernobyl didn't...

I understand about Chernobyl....they were running a test on one of the emergency core cooling features (which obviously didn't work) and the temperature spiked....And yes adding water did cause the steam explosions which ruptured the reactor casing...

However it didn't take 'hours' for the pressure to blast the casing open...

The test started at 1:23:04 am, the automatic systems triggered an emergency shut down (SCRAM) 36 seconds later, and the first explosion was a 'few' seconds after that and the second 3 seconds later..etc..

The fire alarms went off (after the casing ruptured and set fire to the building) at 1:26:03 am...a little under 3 minutes later...

Anyway...the point is, none of this has happened in Japan...because we'd sure as hell know by now...AND in the case of Fukushima...even if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured, there are still TWO more levels of containment that must fail before the reactor core is exposed to the air...

So, was that you agreeing that I shouldn't take your word, for anything, as you keep changing what you say?

So, after the RPV ruptures/cracks/melts, there are still 2 more levels of containment, before the core is exposed?

And, they are what?

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

Now, let's just clarify?

You talked about if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured and you talked about the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions.

Are they both not the same as the Reactor Pressure Vessel (RPV), that I raised?

And, in case you haven't noticed, much of the surrounding Concrete & Steel building structure, is no longer there on a few of these Fukushima reactors!

Is that about right?

I sort of stuffed up the idea when I said Containment AND RPV...

IF the casing HAD ruptured, there'd still be the concrete (and steel?) Secondary Containment Vessel....

I admit the error, I'm not an engineer involved in Reactor construction...Fukushima still has at least one more level of containment around the core than Chernobyl had..

And NONE of the Fukushima reactor Cores are exposed...Same difference though...Chernobyl's reaction chamber core WAS blasted open by the explosions....and NONE of the Fukushima cores have been opened...

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #50 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:46pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter....

splitting hairs are you gizmo Wink

LOL

No nails, not 'splitting hairs'....pointing out radical differences..

Similar to the 'difference' between EV's and Hybrids...

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #51 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:50pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter....

splitting hairs are you gizmo Wink

LOL

No nails, not 'splitting hairs'....pointing out radical differences..

Similar to the 'difference' between EV's and Hybrids...

very poor analogy I'm afraid when you consider the radiation leakage and fallout Sad

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #52 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:59pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:50pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter....

splitting hairs are you gizmo Wink

LOL

No nails, not 'splitting hairs'....pointing out radical differences..

Similar to the 'difference' between EV's and Hybrids...

very poor analogy I'm afraid when you consider the radiation leakage and fallout Sad

No not really...small amount of leakage and , so far, absolutely ZERO fallout...

Most of the 'leakage' is from the steam releases and cracks in the expended rod cooling pools..very little to none from the reactors themselves.

And unless this change an incredible amount.....there won't ever be any fallout...

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #53 - Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:05pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 4:41pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

First off..Chernobyl was a Reactor EXPLOSION, not a Reactor meltdown, so the two cases are entirely DISsimilar....

And secondly, while the c&p'd info is partial accurate, the definition of meltdon is correct, the Guardian's stuff about the material melting through the RPV is, at best, a misquote, and at worst, a complete load of bovine fecal matter.
...

You say neither, I say niether -
It is believed that for some unknown reason, there was a sudden loss of water that was used to cool 1,661 uranium fuel assemblies that were set in pressure pipes surrounded by 1,700 tons of graphite blocks, causing the fuel rods to overheat. The zirconium alloy around the fuel assemblies, along with the pressure tubing, melted at about 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, overheating the graphite. The temperature rose still more. At 5,100 degrees Fahrenheit, the uranium-oxide fuel began to melt. The operators flooded the reactor with water. It was too late and the water was instantly turned into a superheated steam, which reacted with the graphite, fuel and zirconium to produce hydrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide. Over many hours, the gases built up and combined with oxygen released by the cracked pressure tubes, triggering a massive explosion. (Barnathan & Strasser 22-23)

In any event, forgetting cause & effect, many of the outcomes are similar, in terms of some health problems, but the Fukushima Economic outcomes will clearly be much, much greater!

Perhaps not, it depends on who you accept as a valid source of information. I certain don't accept your uncorroberated words!

Exactly
....now, the big difference between the Fukushima reactors and Chernobyl #4 is this...Fukushima HAS got RPV's and Containment Vessels...Chernobyl didn't...

I understand about Chernobyl....they were running a test on one of the emergency core cooling features (which obviously didn't work) and the temperature spiked....And yes adding water did cause the steam explosions which ruptured the reactor casing...

However it didn't take 'hours' for the pressure to blast the casing open...

The test started at 1:23:04 am, the automatic systems triggered an emergency shut down (SCRAM) 36 seconds later, and the first explosion was a 'few' seconds after that and the second 3 seconds later..etc..

The fire alarms went off (after the casing ruptured and set fire to the building) at 1:26:03 am...a little under 3 minutes later...

Anyway...the point is, none of this has happened in Japan...because we'd sure as hell know by now...AND in the case of Fukushima...even if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured, there are still TWO more levels of containment that must fail before the reactor core is exposed to the air...

So, was that you agreeing that I shouldn't take your word, for anything, as you keep changing what you say?

So, after the RPV ruptures/cracks/melts, there are still 2 more levels of containment, before the core is exposed?

And, they are what?

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

Now, let's just clarify?

You talked about if the reactor casings HAVE ruptured and you talked about the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions.

Are they both not the same as the Reactor Pressure Vessel (RPV), that I raised?

And, in case you haven't noticed, much of the surrounding Concrete & Steel building structure, is no longer there on a few of these Fukushima reactors!

Is that about right?

I sort of stuffed up the idea when I said Containment AND RPV...

IF the casing HAD ruptured, there'd still be the concrete (and steel?) Secondary Containment Vessel....

I admit the error, I'm not an engineer involved in Reactor construction...Fukushima still has at least one more level of containment around the core than Chernobyl had..

And NONE of the Fukushima reactor Cores are exposed...Same difference though...Chernobyl's reaction chamber core WAS blasted open by the explosions....and NONE of the Fukushima cores have been opened...

Japanese withheld information on high radiation at Fukushima

April 04, 2011

THE Japanese government withheld the release of data showing that levels of radiation more than 30 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant exceeded safe levels, broadcaster NHK reported Monday citing official documents.

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #54 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

Newly Released TEPCO Data Provides Evidence of Periodic Chain Reaction at Fukushima Unit 1

April 3rd, 2011 - Embedded Video at below site

Recent press reports have discussed the possibility that Fukushima Unit 1 may be having a nuclear chain reaction. New data released by TEPCO indicates that even though Fukushima Unit 1 was shut down during the March 11 earthquake, it appears to have "gone critical" again without human intervention. The detection by TEPCO of short-lived radioactive isotopes substantiates the existence of this inadvertent criticality.

New Images Reveal Nuclear Fuel Rack Exposed to Air

March 31st, 2011 No 2- Embedded Video at below site

Fairewinds Chief Engineer, Arnie Gundersen, analyzes new video from the Fukushima Daiichi Plant. Gundersen determines that the fuel rack in reactor building 4 is exposed to air.

Update on Fukushima: Discussion of High Level Radiation Releases and the Previous "Worse Case Senario" Planned for by The Industry

March 31st, 2011 No 1- Embedded Video at below site

Gundersen describes the Fukushima plant as stable, but precarious. In this update, he discusses the high levels of radiation (2 Million disintegrations/second being found on the ground as far as 25 miles from the plant site.) He also addresses a New York Times report of hundreds of tons of water being put into the reactors each day. Gundersen points out that all of the water going in to the reactors is being irradiated, leaking out, and polluting the Ocean. He concludes by discussing the differences between the accident scenarios that the nuclear industry previously planned for and what has actually happened.

Update on Fukushima: Discovery of Plutonium Leakage and Highly Radioactive Water

March 29th, 2011 - Embedded Video at below site

Arnie Gundersen, Chief Engineer of Fairewinds Associates, discusses the recent finding of plutonium in the soil at five locations around the Daiichi power plant. He also addresses the discovery of highly radioactive water found in trenches which appear to be draining into the ocean.

News on Fukushima Daiichi

March 25th, 2011 - Embedded Video at below site

Arnie Gundersen discusses the specifics of radiation exposure.

Update on Fukushima Daiichi

March 23rd, 2011 - Embedded Video at below site

Link -
http://www.fairewinds.com/updates
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A series of 6 embedded video updates, these video's are very informative and relatively easy to understand and I recommend spending the time, to gain an understanding of these very serious issues.

Full details of the video's maker (Arnold Gundersen) are available at the following link.
However, his background briefly is -

Arnie is an energy advisor with 39-years of nuclear power engineering experience. A former nuclear industry senior vice president, he earned his Bachelor's and Master's Degrees in nuclear engineering, holds a nuclear safety patent, and was a licensed reactor operator. During his nuclear industry career, Arnie managed and coordinated projects at 70-nuclear power plants around the country.

As the former vice president in an engineering organization, Arnie led the team of engineers who developed the plans for decommissioning Shippingport, the first major nuclear power plant in the US to be fully dismantled.
http://www.fairewinds.com/content/who-we-are

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #56 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

and you forgot about the effects of the price of fish on mars contributing to this catastrophe !! What better scapegoat for a nuclear reactor catastrophe than those pesky Martians Wink

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #57 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:53pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

and you forgot about the effects of the price of fish on mars contributing to this catastrophe !! What better scapegoat for a nuclear reactor catastrophe than those pesky Martians Wink

LOL

Ok Nails, you carry on panicking about the fallout and buying potassium tablets etc....

And I'll sit here and admire how well the plant held together (in the circumstances) and applaud the actions of the workers how are trying to bring the reactors back under control....ok??

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #58 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 3:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

and you forgot about the effects of the price of fish on mars contributing to this catastrophe !! What better scapegoat for a nuclear reactor catastrophe than those pesky Martians Wink

LOL

Ok Nails, you carry on panicking about the fallout and buying potassium tablets etc....

And I'll sit here and admire how well the plant held together (in the circumstances) and applaud the actions of the workers how are trying to bring the reactors back under control....ok??

you do realise that the workers trying to fix up the plant are dead men walking Sad

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Re: Japan Nuclear Disaster-Bigger Than Chernobyl.
Reply #59 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 3:34pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

No that was me saying that there was a power spike which led to the explosion..

Ok, I may have included one too many levels..
There's the concrete and steel containment vessel to hold in any explosions....which Chernobyl didn't have...and, depending on size and design, there's the actual building housing it all......which doesn' necessaily help with but weather....

and you forgot about the effects of the price of fish on mars contributing to this catastrophe !! What better scapegoat for a nuclear reactor catastrophe than those pesky Martians Wink

LOL

Ok Nails, you carry on panicking about the fallout and buying potassium tablets etc....

And I'll sit here and admire how well the plant held together (in the circumstances) and applaud the actions of the workers how are trying to bring the reactors back under control....ok??

you do realise that the workers trying to fix up the plant are dead men walking Sad

Perhaps they are.......which just makes them all the more heroic, don't you think???

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