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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #15 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

Could you clarify that buzz. You mean no seat won by the Greens in the lower house? because they do have seats in the upper house.

It needs "CLARIFYING" ?

Despite polling

WAY higher

than the Fred Niles', the hunters and the Hansons - the Greens

failed to win

a new seat in the upper house (MLC's)

so now it is NEW seats? damn you are hard to please you old fart!

I THINK it goes without saying, you are an OLDER (and somewhat more pungent) "fart" than I could aspire to be ?

The question comes DOWN to ...

"Should a Senator or MLC be elected for 6 to 8 years on a less than 2% result" ?

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #16 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:37pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:19pm:

nichy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:45pm:

Well even an "Old Catholic Black Sheep" is a thousand times better than a Green.

In the Victorian Election, the DLP cantidate was elected to the upper house on

1.6%

of the vote
Beating the Greens'

10.5%

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/vic/2010/guide/emet.htm

(This is a result of the SAME flaw that saw Steve Fielding spend 8 years in Federal politics - in the Senate)

so why dont we get rid of ALL PREFERNTIAL voting then since you dont like it! that way federally Labor will lose about 20 seats they get from Green preferences and probably all Green senators will disappear.

Oh thats right... your attitutude to preferential voting is like your attitude to polls... You like it when it serves your purposes and not when it doesnt.

not a really credible opinion is it??

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #17 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:50pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

Could you clarify that buzz. You mean no seat won by the Greens in the lower house? because they do have seats in the upper house.

It needs "CLARIFYING" ?

Despite polling

WAY higher

than the Fred Niles', the hunters and the Hansons - the Greens

failed to win

a new seat in the upper house (MLC's)

so now it is NEW seats? damn you are hard to please you old fart!

I THINK it goes without saying, you are an OLDER (and somewhat more pungent) "fart" than I could aspire to be ?

The question comes DOWN to ...

"Should a Senator or MLC be elected for 6 to 8 years on a less than 2% result" ?

i agree they shouldnt but it is not easy to change anything without messing up the entire process. but keep in mind that Adam Bandt was elected using just such an anomaly. Labor scored a LOT more of the primary vote than the Greens. Under any fair system Labor would have won that seat too. SO be careful what you wish for. If you want to try the rather lame argument that 'more voters actually wanted the Greens than labor' then remember that the same argument applies to Fielding.

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #18 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 6:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:19pm:

nichy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:45pm:

Well even an "Old Catholic Black Sheep" is a thousand times better than a Green.

In the Victorian Election, the DLP cantidate was elected to the upper house on

1.6%

of the vote
Beating the Greens'

10.5%

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/vic/2010/guide/emet.htm

(This is a result of the SAME flaw that saw Steve Fielding spend 8 years in Federal politics - in the Senate)

so why dont we get rid of ALL PREFERNTIAL voting then since you dont like it! that way federally Labor will lose about 20 seats they get from Green preferences and probably all Green senators will disappear.

Oh thats right... your attitutude to preferential voting is like your attitude to polls... You like it when it serves your purposes and not when it doesnt.

not a really credible opinion is it??

The preferential system server us well with under a handful of cantidates
Obviously NOT so well, in a field of HUNDREDS

I would STILL support proportional representation in upper houses

eg ....

If a party gets 10% of the vote, I believe it should hold 10% of the seats in an upper house

But 1.5% equates to less than ONE

I ALSO believe, it's a system we are STUCK with
Just like State Governments

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #19 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 6:10pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 6:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:19pm:

nichy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:45pm:

Well even an "Old Catholic Black Sheep" is a thousand times better than a Green.

In the Victorian Election, the DLP cantidate was elected to the upper house on

1.6%

of the vote
Beating the Greens'

10.5%

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/vic/2010/guide/emet.htm

(This is a result of the SAME flaw that saw Steve Fielding spend 8 years in Federal politics - in the Senate)

so why dont we get rid of ALL PREFERNTIAL voting then since you dont like it! that way federally Labor will lose about 20 seats they get from Green preferences and probably all Green senators will disappear.

Oh thats right... your attitutude to preferential voting is like your attitude to polls... You like it when it serves your purposes and not when it doesnt.

not a really credible opinion is it??

The preferential system server us well with under a handful of cantidates
Obviously NOT so well, in a field of HUNDREDS

I would STILL support proportional representation in upper houses

eg ....

If a party gets 10% of the vote, I believe it should hold 10% of the seats in an upper house

But 1.5% equates to less than ONE

I ALSO believe, it's a system we are STUCK with
Just like State Governments

and equal argument is that a party with 10% of the vote is NOT WANTED by a very very large number of people. 10% might merit being heard but certianly not 10% of the seats.

and if that applied then you would have to concede that Abbott with 500,000 MORE votes than Gillard should be PM.

But I thought you'd change your mind when you realised that thr Greens benefit from the preferential system while the major parties suffer from it.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41824 Gender:	Re: Pauline closing in on seat Reply #20 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 6:20pm Go pauline, you good thing
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tonegunman1 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 427	Re: Pauline closing in on seat Reply #21 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 6:43pm She gets put last by everyone, she gets relentlessly smeared, she gets press that is universally bad, she gets fitted up and thrown in jail and still she gets up and has a go. Good on her...hope she gets up.
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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Pauline closing in on seat Reply #22 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 7:38pm At least she'll liven up the Upper House, even if it is by needing to have everything "explained" I agree with tonegunman1 - she is one gutsy woman.
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nairbe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2587 Rural NSW Gender:	Re: Pauline closing in on seat Reply #23 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:05pm Well at least she will bring some colour back for a term or two. Maybe that's why people voted for her?
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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #24 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:16pm

nairbe wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:05pm:

Well at least she will bring some colour back for a term or two.
Maybe that's why people voted for her?

I disagree with her on many levels but she is a conviction politician. The only convictions the NSW Labor party has is criminal ones. She is preferable to anyone in the NSW labor party or the Greens.

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #25 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:16pm:

nairbe wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:05pm:

Well at least she will bring some colour back for a term or two.
Maybe that's why people voted for her?

I disagree with her on many levels but she is a conviction politician. The only convictions the NSW Labor party has is criminal ones. She is preferable to anyone in the NSW labor party or the Greens.

Hmmnnn....but it's hard to know who she'll cause more trouble for, if she does scrape in - the Labs, Libs and/or Nats?

How will the new NSW Lib/Nat Govt handle her?

Heck, given the history, how will Abbott & Co handle her at the Federal level?

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #26 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:29pm

Equitist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:16pm:

nairbe wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:05pm:

Well at least she will bring some colour back for a term or two.
Maybe that's why people voted for her?

I disagree with her on many levels but she is a conviction politician. The only convictions the NSW Labor party has is criminal ones. She is preferable to anyone in the NSW labor party or the Greens.

Hmmnnn....but it's hard to know who she'll cause more trouble for, if she does scrape in - the Labs, Libs and/or Nats?

How will the new NSW Lib/Nat Govt handle her?

Heck, given the history, how will Abbott & Co handle her at the Federal level?

As Abbot was instrumental in having her falsely imprisoned I hope she
makes life miserable for the bastard.

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Re: Pauline closing in on seat
Reply #27 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:36pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

As Abbot was instrumental in having her falsely imprisoned I hope she
makes life miserable for the bastard.

As much as I disagree with her politics, she was cynically-denied her basic civil and legal rights - and Abbott ought to have been brought before a court to answer charges for the self-serving role he played in her incarceration...

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Pauline closing in on seat Reply #28 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 9:04pm Imagine...8 more looooooooooong years of Pauline Hanson as an elected representative...
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GrandPaPa Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 287 Queensland Gender:	Re: Pauline closing in on seat Reply #29 - Mar 30^th, 2011 at 8:12am Equitist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 9:04pm: Imagine...8 more looooooooooong years of Pauline Hanson as an elected representative... Yeah, isn't it great! And thanks Pauline, that's "one for the gipper!" In fact many old "gippers" out here salute your grit!
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