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Reply #15 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
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And of course the problem is, the Palestinians were NOT muslim, before 670AD....before THAT, they were Jewish...


And before 1948 they were secular.
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Reply #16 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 3:42pm
 
The Syrian regime saddens me. If they'd had an oz of sense they'd have introduced multi party elections and the right of the Ba'thists could've publicly had their arguments with the left Ba'thists, swapped around every three years and everybody would've been happy.
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Reply #17 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 4:04pm
 
Grey wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 3:42pm:
The Syrian regime saddens me. If they'd had an oz of sense they'd have introduced multi party elections and the right of the Ba'thists could've publicly had their arguments with the left Ba'thists, swapped around every three years and everybody would've been happy.  



Ain't you lucky! Others are not in a position to be 'saddened'. They are dead.
I think it is vacuous in the extreme to pretend that the difference between the political systems of Australia or Britain or the US on the one hand and Syria on the other is merely cosmetic.

As for fascism, speak for yourself:
"The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, & desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us"

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Reply #18 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:18pm
 
Palestinine is the most vibrant democracy in the region

And its under occupation!

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Reply #19 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:29pm
 
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As for fascism, speak for yourself:


The quote is from French philosopher Michel Foucault. Sadly i didn't have enough characters to accredit him. Never mind i thought, being dead he's over worrying.  Fascism is of course about 'control'. Do you think to be free of controlling Soren? More so than I? I think the immigration thread would indicate otherwise.

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I think it is vacuous in the extreme to pretend that the difference between the political systems of Australia or Britain or the US on the one hand and Syria on the other is merely cosmetic.


Do you really? Well a few more people have been killed in protests, but not a great many. People get killed protesting in Western Democracies as well, (not to mention getting shot for being Brazilian electricians). But by and large protest produces less violence.

Most significant is the peacefull nature of protest in the West. As the international media pointed out to Aboriginal protesters in Sydney during the OzLympics, 'sorry, peaceful is nice, but not exciting'. A million marched through London before and against, the Iraq war. Nobody got killed and nobody took a blind bit of notice. If a million people had rioted in central London they might actually have stopped Britains participation, the government would certainly have had a few shot.

They would have said it was to 'prevent anarchy'. Because they perceive, as the leaders, that the place would go to wrack and ruin without them. When the protest has been more serious, as with Cable Street' in 1936 notice was taken. The Anarcho/Jewish coalition that made that fight stopped Fascism in Britain in its tracks and arguably changed the course of the history of the 20thC. Nobody was killed, but that was a minor miracle of the day.




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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:52pm
 
Grey wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:29pm:
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As for fascism, speak for yourself:


The quote is from French philosopher arse-bandit Michel Foucault.



Enough said. If Foucalt still speaks to your soul, you ned a stronger purgative than a merely reasonable argument.



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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 7:07pm
 
Grey wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:29pm:
When the protest has been more serious, as with Cable Street' in 1936 notice was taken. The Anarcho/Jewish coalition that made that fight stopped Fascism in Britain in its tracks and arguably changed the course of the history of the 20thC. Nobody was killed, but that was a minor miracle of the day.



Again, I think it is a bit vacuous (and silly as well this time) to compare Mosley to the Baathists or any other hard-core dictators. The Germans and the Itallians had National Socialism but England was good for Social Unionism at best.
People in England laughed at Mosley:

"The trouble with you, Mosley, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a
handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you
think you’re someone. You hear them shouting “Heil, Mosley!” and you imagine it is the
Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the
People is saying is: “Look at that frightful ass Mosley swanking about in footer bags! Did
you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”

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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 7:25pm
 
Soren wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 7:07pm:
Grey wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:29pm:
When the protest has been more serious, as with Cable Street' in 1936 notice was taken. The Anarcho/Jewish coalition that made that fight stopped Fascism in Britain in its tracks and arguably changed the course of the history of the 20thC. Nobody was killed, but that was a minor miracle of the day.



Again, I think it is a bit vacuous (and silly as well this time) to compare Mosley to the Baathists or any other hard-core dictators. The Germans and the Itallians had National Socialism but England was good for Social Unionism at best.
People in England laughed at Mosley:

"The trouble with you, Mosley, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a
handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you
think you’re someone. You hear them shouting “Heil, Mosley!” and you imagine it is the
Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the
People is saying is: “Look at that frightful ass Mosley swanking about in footer bags! Did
you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”



It is certainly disingenuous, even when laughably inept, to quote Wodehouse's Bertie Wooster, a piece of literature written in 1938* (*edited, I previously erroneousley put 1941) by which time you could say that Mosley was well and truly discredited, as reflecting the mood of Britain's establishment in 1936. Wooster's character Spode may well have been based on Mosley but substituting the name... well that's just not allowed Smiley

I look forwards to your posts with keen interest Soren, trusting a continuance of such amusingly bizarre behaviour.

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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 8:17pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 26th, 2011 at 6:48pm:
dear fool,

christianity is not a religious movement.
america is an athiest capitalist democracy, as are all the best countries in the world


With Bible lessons being held in the White House itself, the US is anything but an atheistic society. (As Pat Condell put it "They now know who smote whom and who begat whom... But they're just not sure where Italy is".

With over 30% of Americans claiming to believe in biblical creationism... anything but.

When it comes to religion, its a Christian rightwing nutjob nation.
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Reply #24 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 8:22pm
 
Grey wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 7:25pm:
It is certainly disingenuous, even when laughably inept, to quote Wodehouse's Bertie Wooster, a piece of literature written in 1938* (*edited, I previously erroneousley put 1941) by which time you could say that Mosley was well and truly discredited, as reflecting the mood of Britain's establishment in 1936. Wooster's character Spode may well have been based on Mosley but substituting the name... well that's just not allowed Smiley

I look forwards to your posts with keen interest Soren, trusting a continuance of such amusingly bizarre behaviour.

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The point is that Hitler, let alone Mosley, never had credit in the Anglosphere. Yet Hitler and the National Socialists were in power for a long time after the English speaking world recognised them as buffoons. They had to be killed off (like that great son of Arab National Socialism, Soddem Hussein) before the Germans could 'discredit' the nazis.

The Arab Nazis are STILL in power in Syria. It is buffonery to imply, as you do, that everyone could be happy with them if only they pretended to be democratic. The same way democratic as  - and here it's time for you to  nudge-nudge, wink-wink because even you know that saying it openly is too stupid - the political parties in liberal democracies:

"If they'd had an oz of sense they'd have introduced multi party elections and the right of the Ba'thists could've publicly had their arguments with the left Ba'thists, swapped around every three years and everybody would've been happy.  "


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Reply #25 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 8:40pm
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:18pm:
Palestinine is the most vibrant democracy in the region

And its under occupation!



Of course. It's a booming democracy, you could say.

They are occupied only because the jews want to learn the secrets of democracy and the pallos won't tell 'em.

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Reply #26 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 8:58pm
 
Soren wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 8:40pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:18pm:
Palestinine is the most vibrant democracy in the region

And its under occupation!



Of course. It's a booming democracy, you could say.

They are occupied only because the jews want to learn the secrets of democracy and the pallos won't tell 'em.

Grin



Yair..bad pallos...naughty pallos...keeping all those democracy secrets to themselves and not sharing them...who would have thought that the pallos could have sorted the Middle East crisis all along?

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Reply #27 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 9:30pm
 

if they had done that, that's what the population would have decided upon.

As it is, the population had no choice



Grey wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 3:42pm:
The Syrian regime saddens me. If they'd had an oz of sense they'd have introduced multi party elections and the right of the Ba'thists could've publicly had their arguments with the left Ba'thists, swapped around every three years and everybody would've been happy.  

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Reply #28 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:35am
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:18pm:

Palestinine is the most vibrant democracy in the region

And its under occupation!






Really ???

Google;
palestinian authority corruption lawless political violence

Google;
corruption is widely seen as the cause of much of the PA

Google,
gaza, billions in aid from eu
    [where has it $$$$$$$$ all gone??????]

Google,
arafat died a billionaire





you said;
"Palestinine is the most vibrant democracy in the region"   ???

Foolosophy,

Why won't you just fess up, and plainly tell us all here at OzPol, if you are a moslem ???

Any appearance of 'impartiality' that you may wish to convey in your posts here [on the Israeli/'Palestinian' issue], has long ago been exposed, by yourself, as a sham.


i.e.
Anything Israeli, Jewish, spit, spit!
But anything to do with the 'poor' 'Palestinians' [the 'poor', corrupt, violently undemocratic 'Palestinians'], and you are happy to sing their praises, and to trumpet their 'victimhood' at the hands of their 'Zionist' enemies.

All so predictable.


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Reply #29 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 12:58pm
 
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The point is that Hitler, let alone Mosley, never had credit in the Anglosphere. Yet Hitler and the National Socialists were in power for a long time after the English speaking world recognised them as buffoons. They had to be killed off (like that great son of Arab National Socialism, Soddem Hussein) before the Germans could 'discredit' the nazis.


Blimey Sorren, are you that ignorant? It was a very close run thing whether britain would fight Nazis or join them. If it'd been up to the rich Britain would've joined 'em. Most of those young fliers who sacrificed themselves in the Battle of Britain had been Nazis in university, they were driven by guilt. I don't remember them and their sacrifice any less for it, but that's the truth.

And of course the USA had written Britain off and were busy working out the bottom line from having nazis as their major trading partner. Fighting Nazis was fighting against their own investments.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
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