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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #15 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:23am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:02am:

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The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price.

im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one.

Another one it is all about me. I wish you libs would think of other people as well, you mob only think about yourself all the time.

You only had to look when Gillard said about the flood levy the way you libs went on. Queensland has to get rebuilt and people that could afford to pay for it kick up the biggest stink about it.

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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #17 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 11:14am

bomen_guy wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:02am:

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The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price.

im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one.

Another one it is all about me. I wish you libs would think of other people as well, you mob only think about yourself all the time.

You only had to look when Gillard said about the flood levy the way you libs went on. Queensland has to get rebuilt and people that could afford to pay for it kick up the biggest stink about it.

or maybe we think spending $4B to fix the broadband network is a better idea than spending ten tiems that amount and still end up with the same result.

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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #18 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 11:22am

it was 52% in '07/'08

we are now '11/'12.
the graph is 4 years old. Going by the increasing %ages shown (16, 28, 43, 52) in 4 years, given another 4 years what's you guess ?

yes, fibre is in most streets.
pay tv is by fibre.
that can be used for the net.

have a good day

mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 6:51am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:36am:

fibres already in most streets. At NO cost to the taxpayer

over 80% of aussies are already on broadband, you agree to this as you have not denied it.

you lose

"fair" ????????????????
cut the leftard jingle, tell me how much it costs and what benefit i get.

I guess he was pie eyed last night, he provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as the highest figure with broadband, and kept going on about 80%, a figure pulled from the rear orifice of the Liberal party book of lies that only an absolutely soused, rusted on, would be able to believe.
No doubt he saw the 80% figure somewhere, about something to do with broadband, so I guess he decided just making up the rest was good form, at least consistent, I guess.
I do not know what the 80%, he falsely asserts was the number of aussies with broadband, really did refer to when he originally got confused(read absolutely bloody wrong, again) but if I had to guess I would expect it may be the percentage of Aussies that live in Capital cities who could get access to ADSL2, theoretically speaking, if the copper network was in better shape.

He also falsely stated that fibre is already in most streets, what a maroon.
A traditional, I'm alright, bugger you mate, Liberal supporter, asking te perennial question of the selfish and uncaring, "what's in it for me?"

Well you will get access to faster, more reliable, internet, for a start.
You will also get the chance to have a big whinge as you anticipate the glee of posting on every bulldust lie that the Libs can come up with, about the NBN, until it is completed. Wink

You also piped up with the little gem that because I had not directly called your idiotic claims, where you guessed 80% and 90%, that you must be right, well if you want to look like less of a goose on this matter, just work on the assumption that everything you believe, and everything you think you know, is WRONG, then you will be starting to get at least one thing right.
Everything you say, and everything you contended is wrong sprint, you did not get a single fact right, not even close to right, on anything, but I guess you must be getting used to that, supporting looney Tone as you do.

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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #19 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:02am:

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The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price.

im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one.

More absolutely bloody bulldust from the Liberal fanboys.

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t is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses

-longy

False. The original 43 billion estimate has actually been revised down to 36 billion.
Lucky it was not the Libs doing this, or they would be claiming their brilliant economic management has just saved 7 billion, lol.

Cost overruns, and annual losses?
A bit more Liberal crystal ball gazing at work.
The NBN management has so far impressed with very strong business planning, and very efficient management of the project, so condemning them for things that have not occurred is just more Liberal scare tactics at work.

Despite your protestations to the opposite, the NBN will provide you with many things you have never had before Longy, the option to access high speeds, if you so desire, is but one.

Please cite your source for that statistic, 85% of Australians already have access to the 12Mbps up, 1Mbps down, minimum service being offered by the NBN, because I do not believe you, and you must admit your track record of dishonesty about this issue has been appalling.

Sprint provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as having access to broadband, which is nowhere near the bulldust 85% he mentioned.

The other thing they fail to ever mention is that so much of the current
"High Speed" [sic] Broadband that they pronounce that so many supposedly already have, is actually the old 1.5 Mbps speeds that those not close to an exchange, or on an exchange with no dslam, or one with no ports open, can get access to.
Now that is more than ten times slower than the base plan the NBN will be offering, and there are even people on rims who cannot even get those paltry 1mbps or lower speeds now.

Then you add all the rural folk who currently get totally left out of any consideration at all by the Libs and their supporters, but which the NBN has not forgotten about, and will get access to decent, affordable internet, for the first time ever, and for generations to come.

So all aussies can look forward to a supremely fast, efficient, reliable, long lasting, and fair telecommunications system, and the current services that offers, as well as the future services it will enable.
That all adds up to a great and forward thinking national infrastructure investment.

Unless you are a rusted on Liberal fanboy desperate to believe any lie from the extreme right, designed to create confusion and promote fear, then it is hard to actually find a negative to say about the NBN.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ?? Reply #20 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:49pm Mozza there has not been one single cost-benefit analysis I have seen that shows that this NBN program will pay for itself. It is providing services to one particular set of people at the expense of others. I am not seeing how this benefits others in any way. I do not support it.
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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #21 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:49pm:

Mozza there has not been one single cost-benefit analysis I have seen that shows that this NBN program will pay for itself.

It is providing services to one particular set of people at the expense of others.

I am not seeing how this benefits others in any way.

I do not support it.

Are you related to Joyce?

Both in Finance. Both so out of depth in Economics.

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Reply #22 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:56pm

mozzaok Quote:

.........The NBN management has so far impressed with very strong business planning, and very efficient management of the project, so condemning them for things that have not occurred is just more Liberal scare tactics at work.

Despite your protestations to the opposite, the NBN will provide you with many things you have never had before Longy, the option to access high speeds, if you so desire, is but one.

Please cite your source for that statistic, 85% of Australians already have access to the 12Mbps up, 1Mbps down, minimum service being offered by the NBN, because I do not believe you, and you must admit your track record of dishonesty about this issue has been appalling.

Sprint provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as having access to broadband, which is nowhere near the bulldust 85% he mentioned.

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the nbn have just released 43 pages of "amendments".
a sign of very poor management.
they have kept details secret.

what benefits will a nbn give - exactly.

as i repeatred, the graph is 4 years old and showing huge growth.

grow up, answer the questions or i will call you lisa2

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Reply #23 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:05pm

In reply to Sprints "stats", lol, make 'em ups as you goes alongs, would probably be a better descriptor, I suggest you just keep extrapolating growth at the record ever uptake level for another 4 years as well sprint, and we will be able get to the point where we have more people to cite as statistics, than the actual number of people we have in the whole country.

Why do you bother trying to make up silly stats that are just flat out wrong?

Maybe we could save time by just accepting that you, really, really, hate Labor, and, really, really, hate everything they have ever said or ever done, and you really, truly believe the only acceptable course is to endorse and promote the exact opposite of everything that Labor ever does, or says.

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Reply #24 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:08pm

mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:05pm:

In reply to Sprints "stats", lol, make 'em ups as you goes alongs, would probably be a better descriptor, I suggest you just keep extrapolating growth at the record ever uptake level for another 4 years as well sprint, and we will be able get to the point where we have more people to cite as statistics, than the actual number of people we have in the whole country.

Why do you bother trying to make up silly stats that are just flat out wrong?

Maybe we could save time by just accepting that you, really, really, hate Labor, and, really, really, hate everything they have ever said or ever done, and you really, truly believe the only acceptable course is to endorse and promote the exact opposite of everything that Labor ever does, or says.

Seems that suits most on this board weather lib or lab Grin

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ?? Reply #25 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:08pm I would rather see you put up a CBA which shows how this project will pay back the costs. Because without it, it looks like a socialist programme to me of one set of people paying for something they don't need and will be used by others.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41824 Gender:	Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ?? Reply #26 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:17pm my stats are from a govt source, the link is given. still no answers, "lisa2" ??
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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #27 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:21pm

Labor's National Broadband Network is backed by ...

The Greens
Tony Windsor
Rob Oakeshott
Andrew Wilkie

Even ...
Bob Katter !

Once the new Senate sits, the legislation is assured of an un-hindered passage through BOTH houses

Like the NSW election result, it is a "fait accompli"

I'm surprised anyone wastes their time STILL speculating on EITHER ?

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Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ??
Reply #28 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 2:26pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:17pm:

my stats are from a govt source, the link is given.

still no answers, "lisa2" ??

I agree with your government stats, they say 52% of aussies with broadband access.
YOU are the one just making it up as you go from that point.

Try this exercise, go back and get stats from the golden age of buggy making, they may have had a production growth of say, 25 % two years in a row, now just keep adding those figures up and you have statistically proven there are 17 billion, 487 million, and 73 buggies being made this year.

You claim 80% of aussies have high speed broadband now, I do not believe you, so provide a link to where you got that statistic.
Extrapolating on previous growth rates will not cut it, we need a real statistic please.

You also claim most aussie streets already have fibre in them, another laughably stupid lie for which I would love to see your source of information please.

You anti-NBN nuts are getting as loopy as the freaky conspirinuts around here.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41824 Gender:	Re: Is this why NBN was hushed ?? Reply #29 - Mar 25^th, 2011 at 3:24pm 52 % was 4 years ago. what's your guess for today lisa2 ?? pay tv is run via fibre. there is pay tv or broadband net in most streets.
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