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Reply #615 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:11pm
 
Fuku what?

shima how?

It's June guys.... we've moved on from March.

You can only run around in circles waving your hands in the air and screaming about the world ending for just so long.

I reckon about a week.

You guys seem to be trying to prove me wrong.
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Reply #616 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:23am
 


Surprise, Fukushima's radioactive fallout estimations have been doubled - but many of us knew, from past industrial cover-ups, that the original estimations and disclosures would prove to be low!

Oh, and apparently plutonium has now been found a mile away from the plant - but many of us suspected all along that there was a nuclear accident and not just a few hydrogen explosions at Fukushima...

One can only guess what additional under-estimates, misrepresentations and non-disclosures will come out over time - but we can be sure that this radioactive Fukushima monster is far bigger and more dangerous than those with vested interests wanted to let on...

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Reply #617 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:22pm
 
Equitist wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:23am:
Surprise, Fukushima's radioactive fallout estimations have been doubled - but many of us knew, from past industrial cover-ups, that the original estimations and disclosures would prove to be low!

Oh, and apparently plutonium has now been found a mile away from the plant - but many of us suspected all along that there was a nuclear accident and not just a few hydrogen explosions at Fukushima...

One can only guess what additional under-estimates, misrepresentations and non-disclosures will come out over time - but we can be sure that this radioactive Fukushima monster is far bigger and more dangerous than those with vested interests wanted to let on...


THE SWISS AND THE GERMANS SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED FOR MAKING THIS A TURNING POINT!

I SAY REWARD THEM WITH YOUR TOURIST DOLLAR FOR YEARS TO COME!  Cool Cool
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Reply #618 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 10:33pm
 
Worse than meltdown, government report says devastating 'melt-through' has occurred at Fukushima; Official suggests Japan could become 'uninhabitable'


Recent reports confirming that Reactors 1, 2, and 3 of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility completely melted just hours after the devastating earthquake and tsunami hit the area on March 11 (http://www.naturalnews.com/032537_F...) have been trumped by even worse news that those same reactors have all likely "melted through," a situation that according to Japan's Daily Yomiuri DY is  "the worst possibility in a nuclear accident."

And senior political official Ichiro Ozawa suggested in an interview with The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) that the Fukushima situation could make the entire country of Japan "unlivable."

A nuclear core meltdown involves nuclear fuel exceeding its melting point to the point where it damages the core, leaks out, and threatens to potentially release high levels of radiation into the environment. However,
a nuclear melt-through is an even worse scenario, as nuclear fuel literally melts through the bottom of damaged reactor pressure vessels into out containment vessels -- and possibly even melts through those outer vessels directly into ground, air, and water.


The report suggesting that melt-throughs have already occurred, which is set to be submitted to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), is the "first official recognition" of this dire situation, according to DY. It also confirms early suspicions that such a scenario had been underway all along, as later reports confirmed that the epic disaster at the reactors had produced holes in come of the plant's core containment vessels, and that radioactive water, and possibly even fuel, were leaking into the lower vessels.

IAEA has already stated that the Fukushima disaster is at least as bad as the Chernobyl disaster (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/glob...), but this new information now suggests that it is probably even worse.
At this time, it is unknown whether the fuel that has accumulated in the outer containment vessels has seeped outside, where it has the potential to contaminate groundwater supplies and wreak widespread environmental damage.

In an interview conducted prior to the release of the new report, Ichiro Ozawa told the WSJ that areas around Fukushima were already becoming completely "uninhabitable." He also suggested that as it currently stands, much of the rest of the country, including Tokyo, could suffer the same fate if nothing is done to properly and effectively contain the situation.

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Oh happy days?

If it gets into the underground acquifiers, the Japanese will have a many headed Hydra type monster to deal with!  

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Reply #619 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 11:46pm
 
Yes indeed. Sad

Watching and listening to a news program tonight - ummmm  - Channel 10 I think - Negus -  the story opened with words to the effect of ...' from Fukushima.... no evidence to show that any progress is being made in managing the nuclear disaster now happening.....'  !! Cheesy Shocked Huh Roll Eyes

What??  No progress??  AS if !!!--- people can  actually do ANYTHING to effect the processes now in train.!!
The 'news' released from Japan is so low-key - it is astonishing to me that the Japanese people themselves don't appear to have  an understanding of what confronts them!!!

Can only be an attempt to calm fears and lessen the chance of wholesale panic now - among the millions of Japanese likely to be directly affected by this in the years to come.
Clearly the responsibility for this total F-U lies in many laps, but ultimately, with the Japanese leaders who approved such an audacious, dangerous, and irresponsible nuclear power program in Japan, AND, NEVER FORGET, the COMPANIES that implemented it!! And ALL SUCH who profited from this,  --- TILL NOW.

government report says devastating 'melt-through' has occurred at Fukushima; Official suggests Japan could become 'uninhabitable'
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Reply #620 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 2:12pm
 
Italians deal referendum blow to Berlusconi


Italians have voted down a plan to restart the country's nuclear industry, in a nationwide referendum.

Early results showed a large majority had voted to scrap prime minister Silvio Berlusconi's plans to restart the nuclear industry and privatise water.


They also voted against a measure granting top officials partial immunity from prosecution.

Around 57 per cent of Italians turned out to cast their ballots over two days, topping the quota required for a referendum for the first time in 16 years.

Mr Berlusconi conceded there was a "duty to uphold the verdict".

"The high turnout in the referendums shows a will on the part of citizens to participate in decisions about our future that cannot be ignored," he said.

"The will of Italians is clear on all the subjects of this consultation. The government and parliament must now respond fully."

The leader of the centre-left Democratic Party, Pierluigi Bersani, called for Mr Berlusconi to resign.

"This referendum was about the divorce between the government and the country," he said.

But the defence minister said the government would continue.

It was the embattled prime minister's second political blow in less than a month after his People of Freedom party lost critical mayoral votes in Milan and Naples.

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The Japanese situation continues to roll on, with greater ramifications, both inside Japan & elsewhere.

Now the Italians have voted down Nuclear Energy, to join what may be a snowballing effect, with many countries going against Nuclear, at least for now!

The law of unintended consequences, has again come to play.


Btw, I see they also voted against "granting top officials partial immunity from prosecution", In other words Berlusconi may still be on the hook?

Congratulations, to the Italian Public!!!
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Reply #621 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 6:01pm
 
Yeh, that's great if they get rid of it all! TRULY A NEW HORIZON IS IN FRONT OF THE WORLD: "....EXCELLENT!! WHOAH!! IRON MAIDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nAH, REALLY COOL!
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Reply #622 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 5:02pm
 
The US Is Having A Catastrophic Nuclear Emergency In Nebraska And The Obama Administration Is Covering It Up -- Russia


Here's an interesting report from Pakistan's daily newspaper The Nation.

It cites a Russian regulatory agency as saying that the US is currently having a major nuclear emergency at the flooded plant in Nebraska and that the Obama Administration is trying to cover it up.

The Russian report describes the Nebraska situation as one of the worst nuclear accidents in the history of the United States.

Bear in mind that this report comes from Russia and Pakistan--two countries that aren't particularly happy with Obama right now.

But the FAA has enacted a no-fly zone over the Fort Calhoun nuke plant, which was damaged by a fire and flooding from the Missouri river.

Here's the report from The Nation:

A shocking report prepared by Russia’s Federal Atomic Energy Agency (FAAE) on information provided to them by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) states that the Obama regime has ordered a “total and complete” news blackout relating to any information regarding the near catastrophic meltdown of the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant located in Nebraska.

According to this report, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant suffered a “catastrophic loss of cooling” to one of its idle spent fuel rod pools on 7 June after this plant was deluged with water caused by the historic flooding of the Missouri River which resulted in a fire causing the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) to issue a “no-fly ban” over the area.

Located about 20 minutes outside downtown Omaha, the largest city in Nebraska, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant is owned by Omaha Public Power District (OPPD) who on their website denies their plant is at a “Level 4” emergency by stating: “This terminology is not accurate, and is not how emergencies at nuclear power plants are classified.”

Russian atomic scientists in this FAAE report, however, say that this OPPD statement is an “outright falsehood” as all nuclear plants in the world operate under the guidelines of the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale (INES) which clearly states the “events” occurring at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant do, indeed, put it in the “Level 4” emergency category of an “accident with local consequences” thus making this one of the worst nuclear accidents in US history.

Though this report confirms independent readings in the United States of “negligible release of nuclear gasses” related to this accident it warns that by the Obama regimes censoring of this event for “political purposes” it risks a “serious blowback” from the American public should they gain knowledge of this being hidden from them.

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Reply #623 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 3:22pm
 
Threat to Japan’s Food Chain Multiplies as Radiation Spreads


Radiation threats to Japan’s food chain are multiplying as cesium emissions from the crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant spread more widely, moving from hay to cattle to beef.

Hay contaminated with as much as 690,000 becquerels a kilogram, compared with a government safety standard of 300 becquerels, has been fed to cattle. Beef with unsafe levels of the radioactive element was detected in four prefectures, the health ministry said July 23.

Agriculture Minister Michihiko Kano has said officials were unaware of the risk that rice farmers might ship tainted hay to cattle growers. That highlights the government’s inability to think ahead and to act, said Mariko Sano, secretary general for Shufuren, a housewives organization in Tokyo.

“The government is so slow to move,” Sano said. “They’ve done little to ensure food safety.”

Prolonged exposure to radiation in the air, ground and food can cause leukemia and other cancers, according to the London- based World Nuclear Association.

A growing concern is that the release of radiation into waters near the Fukushima plant may multiply through the seafood chain.

Levels of cesium-134 in seawater near the Fukushima plant’s No. 3 reactor rose to levels 30 times the allowed safety standards last week, according to tests performed by Tokyo Electric Power Co, national broadcaster NHK reported.
No Testing System


Japan has no centralized system to check for radiation contamination of food. Prefectural authorities in cooperation with local farmers conduct voluntary tests. Products including spinach, mushrooms, bamboo shoots, tea, milk, plums and fish have been found contaminated with cesium and iodine as far as 360 kilometers from Dai-Ichi.

Tokyo Electric said June 14 it found cesium in milk tested near another nuclear reactor site about 210 kilometers from the Fukushima plant.

The government is considering if it’s feasible to test all cattle to prevent shipments of tainted meat to market, according to Yasuo Sasaki, senior press counselor for the agriculture ministry.

Four months after the earthquake and tsunami damage to the Fukushima plant, local governments short of equipment, staff and budget are struggling to test all farm products.

More than 2,600 cattle have been contaminated, Kyodo News reported July 23, after the Miyagi prefectural government said 1,183 cattle at 58 farms were fed the tainted hay before being shipped to meat markets.

Coming after the government banned cattle shipments from Fukushima on July 19, the latest discoveries signal efforts so far haven’t been sufficient to protect Japan’s food chain.

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Reply #624 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:45pm
 
Wow, a one month+ bump...having a problem with the idea onuclear power, or what????

A little pathetic..
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Reply #625 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 7:31pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:45pm:
Wow, a one month+ bump...having a problem with the idea onuclear power, or what????

A little pathetic..


Yes & No!

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:01pm:
The TRUTH is, this is an INDUSTRY that CAN NOT be TRUSTED and they are BACKED by POLITICIANS, who LIE.

AND, believe it or not, whilst many governments are currently backing away from Nuclear power, in THE FUTURE, WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK TO NUCLEAR, as part of the transition AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.


I have said for some time, Nuclear is definitely not a preferred option, but it may well be a necessity, in the transition away from Fossil Fuels over the next 40-60 years.

How about you? Are you realistic OR are you fixated on Nuclear power, like you are on some other issues?
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Reply #626 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 10:11am
 
It's such an emotive issue that there is bound to be spin on both sides.

I can understand why politicians might want to regulate the information flow. Risk communication on this issue is almost impossible. Activists inflate the most minor of details without providing some perspective of contextual risk.

Some poorly communicated information in itself can kill people or have severe harm, by virtue of the actions that people take as a result of that information.

In some cases, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Mass evacuation in itself is by no means harmless, and it's always a case of careful consideration of the risks involved.

That's why there will continue to be 'cover-ups'. It might sound insidious, but some cover-ups will save lives.  

I have attended many chemical emergencies.  If people smell something at the site, it will always have an effect - toxicological effects are usually rare, but almost always there is a psychological effect, and the magnitude of that psychological effect depends on how the situation is handled and communicated.  

You can accept this or reject this as you like. I don't have any interests involved in this tragedy. I'm just talking from my experience.  
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Reply #627 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 11:17am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 7:31pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:45pm:
Wow, a one month+ bump...having a problem with the idea onuclear power, or what????

A little pathetic..


Yes & No!

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:01pm:
The TRUTH is, this is an INDUSTRY that CAN NOT be TRUSTED and they are BACKED by POLITICIANS, who LIE.

AND, believe it or not, whilst many governments are currently backing away from Nuclear power, in THE FUTURE, WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK TO NUCLEAR, as part of the transition AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.


I have said for some time, Nuclear is definitely not a preferred option, but it may well be a necessity, in the transition away from Fossil Fuels over the next 40-60 years.

How about you? Are you realistic OR are you fixated on Nuclear power, like you are on some other issues?


I'd say realistic...
Since none of the other non-fossil fuel options are yet capable of supplying the 24/7 power needs of modern society, at an affordable cost, it's a fairly limited choice.....EITHER renewable+fossil fuel, or renewable+nuclear power....or a combination of all...
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Reply #628 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 1:01pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 11:17am:
perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 7:31pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:45pm:
Wow, a one month+ bump...having a problem with the idea onuclear power, or what????

A little pathetic..


Yes & No!

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:01pm:
The TRUTH is, this is an INDUSTRY that CAN NOT be TRUSTED and they are BACKED by POLITICIANS, who LIE.

AND, believe it or not, whilst many governments are currently backing away from Nuclear power, in THE FUTURE, WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK TO NUCLEAR, as part of the transition AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.


I have said for some time, Nuclear is definitely not a preferred option, but it may well be a necessity, in the transition away from Fossil Fuels over the next 40-60 years.

How about you? Are you realistic OR are you fixated on Nuclear power, like you are on some other issues?


I'd say realistic...
Since none of the other non-fossil fuel options are yet capable of supplying the 24/7 power needs of modern society,
at an affordable cost, it's a fairly limited choice.....EITHER renewable+fossil fuel, or renewable+nuclear power....or a combination of all...


I'm not quite sure, what you are getting at?

All of the usual Fossil Fuels (Oil, Coal, Nat Gas) are capable of 24/7 power production, in the context of our modern society and that has been pretty much what's been happening for quite some time, with the assistance of a small input from Nuclear & Renewables!

Until recently, those Fossil Fuels have come at a very cheap cost, but that is all changing, on the back of those Energy sources (Fossil Fuels), now reaching Peak Production and as a result Energy costs and all related Products (which is pretty much everything), have started to increase substantially, albeit with the pull/push of the markets.

In future, as Fossil Fuels get much more expensive (even without a Carbon Tax), there will come an inevitable push into Renewables and also Nuclear in some areas, although Australia may still be in doubt. Both Nuclear & Renewables will be a more expensive power generator model than the current Fossil Fuels, but the choice will be stark, as Fossil Fuels probably only have about 40-60 years left, until there is NONE LEFT!

That said, neither Nuclear or Renewable Energy is a likely replacement for Oil (& the other Fossil Fuels) in the transport sector OR for a number of Products where Oil provides a basis, such as Medicines, Fertilisers, Plastics, etc.

So, there is still a massive problem facing the Global Economy, even IF the production of Grid acceptable Power generation does make the transition away from Fossil Fuels.
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Reply #629 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 1:49pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 1:01pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 11:17am:
perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 7:31pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:45pm:
Wow, a one month+ bump...having a problem with the idea onuclear power, or what????

A little pathetic..


Yes & No!

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:01pm:
The TRUTH is, this is an INDUSTRY that CAN NOT be TRUSTED and they are BACKED by POLITICIANS, who LIE.

AND, believe it or not, whilst many governments are currently backing away from Nuclear power, in THE FUTURE, WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK TO NUCLEAR, as part of the transition AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.


I have said for some time, Nuclear is definitely not a preferred option, but it may well be a necessity, in the transition away from Fossil Fuels over the next 40-60 years.

How about you? Are you realistic OR are you fixated on Nuclear power, like you are on some other issues?


I'd say realistic...
Since none of the other non-fossil fuel options are yet capable of supplying the 24/7 power needs of modern society,
at an affordable cost, it's a fairly limited choice.....EITHER renewable+fossil fuel, or renewable+nuclear power....or a combination of all...


I'm not quite sure, what you are getting at?

All of the usual Fossil Fuels (Oil, Coal, Nat Gas) are capable of 24/7 power production, in the context of our modern society and that has been pretty much what's been happening for quite some time, with the assistance of a small input from Nuclear & Renewables!

Until recently, those Fossil Fuels have come at a very cheap cost, but that is all changing, on the back of those Energy sources (Fossil Fuels), now reaching Peak Production and as a result Energy costs and all related Products (which is pretty much everything), have started to increase substantially, albeit with the pull/push of the markets.

In future, as Fossil Fuels get much more expensive (even without a Carbon Tax), there will come an inevitable push into Renewables and also Nuclear in some areas, although Australia may still be in doubt. Both Nuclear & Renewables will be a more expensive power generator model than the current Fossil Fuels, but the choice will be stark, as Fossil Fuels probably only have about 40-60 years left, until there is NONE LEFT!

That said, neither Nuclear or Renewable Energy is a likely replacement for Oil (& the other Fossil Fuels) in the transport sector OR for a number of Products where Oil provides a basis, such as Medicines, Fertilisers, Plastics, etc.

So, there is still a massive problem facing the Global Economy, even IF the production of Grid acceptable Power generation does make the transition away from Fossil Fuels.


Oh, sorry....that should have been 'since none of the non-fossil and non-nuclear options...'

That is true...but for standard electricity generation, either nuclear or renewable are the next logical step...
Transport is handleable using either electric or alternate liquid fuel (hydrogen or biomass based)...

I still believe than any of the current renewable options for industrial/household energy production currently WILL need backup from a stable baseload source......given the apparent shortages of fossil fuels(coal and gas) a combine cycle of solar/wind/wave etc and nuclear seems the most logical step.....given the perceived dangers of Co2 production with coal, gas and oil....
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