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Reply #30 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:10pm
 
I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?
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Reply #31 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:42am
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:10pm:
I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...
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Reply #32 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:38am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:42am:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:10pm:
I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...


He receives no funding from the Nuclear POWER industry - he is a theoretical particle physicist.

DId you actually read my post?

Incidentally his views go totally against his own Physicst Association - both in Italy, the USA and the International body - They dont seem to have any problem with the high school level science that underpinns AGW.

WHo else have you got?

Did you pick up the mathematical anomaly in Zichichi's quantum derivation behind him?

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Reply #33 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 11:18am
 
SNAPSHOT-Japan's nuclear crisis


(Reuters) - Following are main developments after a massive earthquake and tsunami devastated northeast Japan and crippled a nuclear power station, raising the risk of uncontrolled radiation.

Officials say injuries to workers battling to bring the earthquake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi plant under control will set back efforts to stabilise it.

Three workers replacing a cable were exposed to high levels of contamination by standing in radioactive water and two were taken to hospital with burns.
A senior official at the nuclear safety agency said the accident would delay work as measures had to be taken "to ensure that the people working there are safe".

- About 300 engineers had resumed work on the No.3 reactor, considered the most critical, after a one-day suspension when black smoke was seen rising.

- Chief Cabinet Yukio Edano acknowledges that public confidence in nuclear power has changed and says Japan will have to review its policy "from a zero base" once the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi plant is resolved.

* Finance Minister Yoshihiko Noda says the government wants to have an extra budget for post-quake relief and reconstruction by the end of April.

* Economics Minister Kaoru Yosano says the government may have to reconsider an earlier plan to cut corporate tax rates

- Many shops in Tokyo have run out of bottled water after radiation from the plant makes tap water unsafe for babies.

- Chiba prefecture, adjacent to the capital, has detected radioactive substances in its water purification system in amounts above what is considered safe for infants.

- Radioactive caesium 1.8 times higher than the standard level is found in a green leafy vegetable grown in a research facility in Tokyo, Kyodo news agency reports.

- Singapore and Australia join the United States and Hong Kong in restricting food and milk imports from the zone around the crippled nuclear power plant.

- German shipping companies are avoiding Tokyo Bay area ports due to radiation fears. Ship industry officials say Japan could face supply chain bottlenecks as vessels get diverted.

- Estimated cost of damage from the earthquake and tsunami to top $300 billion, making it the world's costliest natural disaster. The 1995 Kobe quake cost $100 billion while Hurricane Katrina caused $81 billion in damage.

- The U.N. Atomic agency (IAEA) says Japanese scientists have found measurable concentrations of radioacive iodine-131 and caesium-137 in seawater samples taken 30 km (18 miles) from land.
A draft IAEA report says the closing of ageing nuclear reactors is expected to peak in 2020-30, posing a big challenge in terms of safety and the environment.

* A watchdog for the U.S. nuclear safety regulator says nuclear power plant operators have not been consistent in flagging defects they find in parts used in critical safety components.

- Govt says there is no need to extend a 20-km (12-mile) evacuation zone around the tsunami-damaged nuclear plant, despite elevated radiation readings outside the area.

- Official death toll from earthquake and tsunami exceeds 9,800, Kyodo news agency reports national police as saying. Total number of dead and missing stands at about 27,400. More than a quarter of a million people are living in shelters.

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Reply #34 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:08pm
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:38am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:42am:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:10pm:
I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...


He receives no funding from the Nuclear POWER industry - he is a theoretical particle physicist.

DId you actually read my post?

Incidentally his views go totally against his own Physicst Association - both in Italy, the USA and the International body - They dont seem to have any problem with the high school level science that underpinns AGW.

WHo else have you got?

Did you pick up the mathematical anomaly in Zichichi's quantum derivation behind him?

http://www.4ecotips.com/eco/images2010/Dr_Antonio_Zichichi.jpg


Sure I read your post..."Nuclear physicist OR anyone working in the nuclear power industry"

A professor of Nuclear Physics is a nuclear physicist
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Reply #35 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:14pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:38am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:42am:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:10pm:
I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...


He receives no funding from the Nuclear POWER industry - he is a theoretical particle physicist.

DId you actually read my post?

Incidentally his views go totally against his own Physicst Association - both in Italy, the USA and the International body - They dont seem to have any problem with the high school level science that underpinns AGW.

WHo else have you got?

Did you pick up the mathematical anomaly in Zichichi's quantum derivation behind him?

http://www.4ecotips.com/eco/images2010/Dr_Antonio_Zichichi.jpg


Sure I read your post..."Nuclear physicist OR anyone working in the nuclear power industry"

A professor of Nuclear Physics is a nuclear physicist


There are also nuclear physicists working in the stock market

I suspect you understoood what I meant - a Nuclear Physicist working or employed by the nuclear POWER industry (which at the moment is based on the nuclear fission porcess)

I am sure that you will find nuclear physicists that are doing reaserch in nuclear fusion that are outspoken as to HOW dangeours, expensive and filthy the nuclear FUSION sector is.

You do understand how tribalism works dont you?

You are prone to it so I would be surprised if you werent aware of it in your own life
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Reply #36 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:58pm
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:14pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:38am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:42am:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:10pm:
I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...


He receives no funding from the Nuclear POWER industry - he is a theoretical particle physicist.

DId you actually read my post?

Incidentally his views go totally against his own Physicst Association - both in Italy, the USA and the International body - They dont seem to have any problem with the high school level science that underpinns AGW.

WHo else have you got?

Did you pick up the mathematical anomaly in Zichichi's quantum derivation behind him?

http://www.4ecotips.com/eco/images2010/Dr_Antonio_Zichichi.jpg


Sure I read your post..."Nuclear physicist OR anyone working in the nuclear power industry"

A professor of Nuclear Physics is a nuclear physicist


There are also nuclear physicists working in the stock market

I suspect you understoood what I meant - a Nuclear Physicist working or employed by the nuclear POWER industry (which at the moment is based on the nuclear fission porcess)

I am sure that you will find nuclear physicists that are doing reaserch in nuclear fusion that are outspoken as to HOW dangeours, expensive and filthy the nuclear FUSION sector is.

You do understand how tribalism works dont you?

You are prone to it so I would be surprised if you werent aware of it in your own life



LOL.  give it up fool, you got pwned!!!
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Reply #37 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 6:25pm
 
Water radiation 10,000 times above normal spurs leakage fears


(CNN) -- The water three men were exposed to while working at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant had 10,000 times the amount of radiation typical for that locale, an official with the Japan nuclear and industrial safety agency said Friday.

The contamination is likely from the No. 3 reactor's core, the official, Hidehiko Nishiyama said.

He said there's a possibility of "some sort of leakage" -- including potentially from a crack in the unit's containment vessel.

The incident raised questions about radiation control measures at the plant as 536 people -- including government authorities and firefighters continued working there Friday, according to an official with the plant's owner, Tokyo Electric Power Co.

The three workers exposed to radiation Thursday had the highest levels recorded so far, Tokyo Electric said.

The No. 1 reactor remains a chief concern, with the Japan Atomic Industrial Forum noting Friday that its containment vessel was experiencing "increased" pressure.

Earlier, buildups of hydrogen gas had driven up pressure that led to explosions at three of the nuclear plant's reactors, including the No. 1 unit.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/25/japan.nuclear.reactors/?hpt=T1
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Reply #38 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 6:50pm
 
... wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:58pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:14pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:38am:
[quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1300795269/30#31 date=1301002932][quote author=Foolosophy link=1300795269/30#30 date=1300961451]I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...





LOL.  give it up fool, you got
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I got what?
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Reply #39 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 8:22pm
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 6:50pm:
... wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:58pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:14pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:38am:
[quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1300795269/30#31 date=1301002932][quote author=Foolosophy link=1300795269/30#30 date=1300961451]I have searched without luck the whole globe for ONE - JUST ONE - Nuclear physicist or anyone working in the nuclear power industry that disputes the science of AGW.

I have also looked for scientists employed by the coal industry and cant seem to find ONE who thinks that nuclear power is cheap clean and safe

wonder why that is the case?


Antonino Zichichi,Pubs emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view". He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it'

There you go, there's one for you...





LOL.  give it up fool, you got
pwned
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I got what?


This may be of use?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
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Reply #40 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:24pm
 
....still waiting

where are the nuclear physicists and CEO's etc in the NUCLEAR POWER INDUSTRY who publically denouce the high school level science that underpinns AGW?

where are the scientists who work in the coal industry that publically claim that Nuclear Fission based power plants are CLEAN, SAFE and CHEAP?

good luck
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Reply #41 - Mar 26th, 2011 at 7:56am
 
I'd like to take apart some of the collective wisdom of Antonino Zichichi on Climate change at some stage. From what I've read, he contradicts himself frequently. Just because somebody is a scientist doesn't make him any less human that anybody else.  Those who cross the boundaries of their expertise risk pseudoscience. He might know all about cosmic radiation, but he chooses to ignore the research that shows no increasing trends in cosmic ray radiation.

It will take more time than I have right now, but when a person rattles off all the denialist claims (even the ones that are conflicting) the alarm bells go off. I'm sure he's a great particle physicist, but he knows as much about atmospheric circulation as my dentist.
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Reply #42 - Mar 26th, 2011 at 8:41am
 
Japan's PM says nuke situation dire

Updated 38 minutes ago

Japan's prime minister says the situation at the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant remains grave and he cannot be optimistic.


A new shadow has been cast over efforts to control the radiation leak at the plant and
the government says it is worried highly radioactive water is leaking from reactor No. 3.


Speaking through an interpreter, prime minister Naoto Kan says the situation there remains grave and unpredictable, but he has paid tribute to the plant workers in an address to the nation.

"We are trying to prevent a deterioration of the situation and
we are still not in a position where we can be optimistic
," he said.

Mr Kan has called for national unity.


"I would like to encourage the Japanese public to strengthen our unity and to work with our hearts as one to overcome this disaster," he said.

The reactor is a particular concern because it is the only one of six at the plant to use a potentially volatile mix of uranium and plutonium.


A hydrogen explosion badly damaged the unit's outer building on March 14 and
a partial meltdown is also suspected.


Two workers from the plant were rushed to hospital on Thursday after receiving radiation burns from standing in a puddle with a radiation level 10,000 times higher than normal.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), which operates the stricken plant, said it may take another month to achieve a cold shutdown - when reactor temperatures fall below boiling point and cooling systems are back at atmospheric pressure.

TEPCO has now reported suspected damage at reactor number three.

"It is possible that the pressure vessel containing the fuel rods in the reactor is damaged,"
a TEPCO spokesman said.


The new safety scare could hamper urgent efforts to restore power to the all-important cooling systems at the plant.

"Radioactive substances have leaked to places far from the reactor," said Hideyuki Nishiyama, a spokesman for Japan's nuclear safety agency.

"As far as the data show, we believe there is a certain level of containment ability but it's highly possible that the reactor is damaged."


Higher radioactivity has also been detected in the ocean near the Fukushima plant on Japan's Pacific coast, raising public fears about the safety of fish and seaweed, traditional staples in the island nation's diet.

China, South Korea and the EU have now joined Australia, the United States, Russia and other nations in restricting food imports from Japan, which itself has halted vegetable and dairy shipments from the region near the atomic plant.

Two weeks after a giant earthquake hit and sent a massive tsunami crashing into the Pacific coast,
the death toll from Japan's worst post-war disaster topped 10,000 and there was scant hope for 17,500 others still missing.


The tsunami obliterated entire towns and some 250,000 homeless in almost 2,000 shelters are still braving privations and a winter chill, with a degree of discipline and dignity that has impressed the world.

Link -
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/26/3174367.htm?section=justin
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There is a change of tone in these statements!

If the pressure vessel containing the fuel rods in the reactor is damaged, then I would not be surprised to see the Nuclear Sarcophagus solution being put to use here!
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Reply #43 - Mar 26th, 2011 at 8:50am
 


perceptions_now wrote on Mar 26th, 2011 at 8:41am:
Japan's PM says nuke situation dire

Updated 38 minutes ago

Japan's prime minister says the situation at the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant remains grave and he cannot be optimistic.


A new shadow has been cast over efforts to control the radiation leak at the plant and
the government says it is worried highly radioactive water is leaking from reactor No. 3.


Speaking through an interpreter, prime minister Naoto Kan says the situation there remains grave and unpredictable, but he has paid tribute to the plant workers in an address to the nation.

"We are trying to prevent a deterioration of the situation and
we are still not in a position where we can be optimistic
," he said.

Mr Kan has called for national unity.


"I would like to encourage the Japanese public to strengthen our unity and to work with our hearts as one to overcome this disaster," he said.

The reactor is a particular concern because it is the only one of six at the plant to use a potentially volatile mix of uranium and plutonium.


A hydrogen explosion badly damaged the unit's outer building on March 14 and
a partial meltdown is also suspected.


Two workers from the plant were rushed to hospital on Thursday after receiving radiation burns from standing in a puddle with a radiation level 10,000 times higher than normal.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), which operates the stricken plant, said it may take another month to achieve a cold shutdown - when reactor temperatures fall below boiling point and cooling systems are back at atmospheric pressure.

TEPCO has now reported suspected damage at reactor number three.

"It is possible that the pressure vessel containing the fuel rods in the reactor is damaged,"
a TEPCO spokesman said.


The new safety scare could hamper urgent efforts to restore power to the all-important cooling systems at the plant.

"Radioactive substances have leaked to places far from the reactor," said Hideyuki Nishiyama, a spokesman for Japan's nuclear safety agency.

"As far as the data show, we believe there is a certain level of containment ability but it's highly possible that the reactor is damaged."


Higher radioactivity has also been detected in the ocean near the Fukushima plant on Japan's Pacific coast, raising public fears about the safety of fish and seaweed, traditional staples in the island nation's diet.

China, South Korea and the EU have now joined Australia, the United States, Russia and other nations in restricting food imports from Japan, which itself has halted vegetable and dairy shipments from the region near the atomic plant.

Two weeks after a giant earthquake hit and sent a massive tsunami crashing into the Pacific coast,
the death toll from Japan's worst post-war disaster topped 10,000 and there was scant hope for 17,500 others still missing.


The tsunami obliterated entire towns and some 250,000 homeless in almost 2,000 shelters are still braving privations and a winter chill, with a degree of discipline and dignity that has impressed the world.

Link -
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/26/3174367.htm?section=justin
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There is a change of tone in these statements!

If the pressure vessel containing the fuel rods in the reactor is damaged, then I would not be surprised to see the Nuclear Sarcophagus solution being put to use here!




Agreed - but it may be still be months before the reactor temperatures are low enough to risk attempted entombment...

Either way, the location of the plant poses extraordinary challenges for both subterranean and marine containment...

Even if they could dig/excavate wide trenches of, say, 50 metres deep and successfully fill same with reinforced concrete, would this suffice!?

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Reply #44 - Mar 26th, 2011 at 11:22am
 
There is a Rumsfeld(ism) that comes to mind here, about Unkown Unknows!


The following descriptions of the
INES Ratings
may be of interest

level 7 - Major Accident

• Major release of radioactive material with widespread health and environmental effects requiring implementation of planned and
extended countermeasures.

Level 6 - Serious Accident

• Significant release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of planned countermeasures

Level 5 - Accident with Wider Consequences

• Limited release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of some planned countermeasures.
• Several deaths from radiation.
• Severe damage to reactor core.
• Release of large quantities of radioactive material within an installation with a high probability of significant public exposure. This
could arise from a major criticality accident or fire.

Level 4 - Accident with Local Consequences

• Minor release of radioactive material unlikely to result in implementation of planned countermeasures other than local food controls.
• At least one death from radiation.
• Fuel melt or damage to fuel resulting in more than 0.1% release of core inventory.
• Release of significant quantities of radioactive material within an installation with a high probability of significant public exposure.

A few things seem reasonably clear -

1)  This situation is beyond -
• Limited release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of some planned countermeasures
• Release of large quantities of radioactive material within an installation with a high probability of significant public exposure.
And therefore has gone beyond the INES rating 5!

2) The INES parameters for levels 6 & 7 appear to be somewhat VAGUE?
Deliberately so?

3) Arguably, this event is now either a 6 or a 7, dependent on the Known Unknowns & the Unknown Unknowns?

INES Rating Link -
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Factsheets/English/ines.pdf
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