Foolosophy wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:04am:


Your 1901 model probably doesn't measure alpha particles, but I can assure you that most modern meters  are perfectly capable of this. Perhaps you should consider a trade-in?

Here's one from a reputable supplier:

http://www.industrial-needs.com/technical-data/radiometer-sm-5-d.htm

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 4:59pm:


Well I'd suggest that all models used for radiological emergencies like this detect alpha particles. (I can't speak for the kind of equipment that trained anti-nuclear activists use.) I have seen pictures of your Greenpeace friend checking the radiation levels on vegetables using a survey meter. Some extremely informative  information there (about her lack of technical expertise) but it looks good on camera.

As one of our introductory practicals with Emergency Services, we did things like demonstrating how a sheet of paper would stop alpha particles, and measuring with and without the beta shield.

So, what was the composition of samples taken from the 12,000-odd tons of water deliberately-dumped by TEPCO into the ocean!?

Where is the evidence of the purported "low level" of radioactive contamination!?

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 12:51pm:



It is imperative that a pre-defined matrix of soil samples are regularly and systematically collected and tested in-situ - and then safely transported and stored for laboratory testing (and kept for future analysis)...

Such routine testing should be conducted over large area - obviously with more intensive testing inside a 50KM radius of the plant (plus those areas outside that radius where radioactive hotspots have been identified and/or suspected due to the influence of local weather patterns and events upon the distribution of the nuclear fallout)...

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:


Foolosophy - Already being done. I'm not answering for anybody, but as a humane person, I hate to see you in agony like that with your veins bulging on your forehead. A little research on the web will find some of these results:

http://www.mext.go.jp/english/radioactivity_level/detail/1303986.htm

Independent bodies involved:  MEXT, Ministry of Defence, JAEA, IAEA and the police.

Note that the results include some isotope analysis. I have a feeling that the only samples with detectable levels by ICPMS will be the so-called hot spots.

No alpha radiation (above background) has been detected in any of the samples so far.

Incidentally some of the results are given in Becquerel per square metre.  What's significant is that the Chernobyl contamination results were expressed in kiloBecquerel per square metre.

For those in need of some background & have some time to spare.

The Battle of Chernobyl part 1


The Battle of Chernobyl part 2


The Battle of Chernobyl part 3


The Battle of Chernobyl part 4


The Battle of Chernobyl part 5



The Battle of Chernobyl part 6


The Battle of Chernobyl part 7


The Battle of Chernobyl part 8


The Battle of Chernobyl part 9


The Battle of Chernobyl part 10


I wonder how many liquidators have now been liquidated?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:48pm:



I take it, you haven't watched it, which would be usual?

Is that so you can plead, tactical ignorance?

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:07pm:


That's a good documentary. Fukushima doesn't come close to this. I think you'd agree if you saw exactly what happened to the reactor core. The graphite fire provided most of the mobilization.