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Why would u change ur habits if ur better off?
Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:38pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9025372/public-better-off-under-ets-garnaut/

Low- and middle-income earners could actually be better off when there's a price on carbon, if climate change adviser Ross Garnaut has his way.

Prof Garnaut wants to redirect billions of dollars raised by charging big business to pollute into reforming the tax and welfare system.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Why would u change ur habits if ur better off? Reply #1 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:40pm The whole idea about taxing people (eg cigarettes) is to reduce their consumption So if you are going to make them better off then why would anyone reduce their habits? So this carbon tax is a farce!
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Why would u change ur habits if ur better off? Reply #2 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:45pm Because a carbon price is aimed at the 1000 largest polluters so they cut their pollution. Low to middle income households increase in financial wealth because of this. Low, Middle and High income households benefit via increased standard of living and more secure growth and return in their super.
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Reply #3 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:52pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:40pm:

The whole idea about taxing people (eg cigarettes) is to reduce their consumption

So if you are going to make them better off then why would anyone reduce their habits?

So this carbon tax is a farce!

You can be better off without increasing your consumption of everything. The whole point of a carbon tax is it targets those products with a high greenhouse footprint. Products with a low footprint will end up being more affordable.

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Reply #4 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 8:10pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:38pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9025372/public-better-off-under-ets-garnaut/

Low- and middle-income earners could actually be better off when there's a price on carbon, if climate change adviser Ross Garnaut has his way.

Prof Garnaut wants to redirect billions of dollars raised by charging big business to pollute into reforming the tax and welfare system.

Greed and envy are the prime motivators for the "war on carbon". Greens live off the environment, not for it.

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Reply #5 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 8:46pm

____ wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Because a carbon price is aimed at the 1000 largest polluters so they cut their pollution.

Low to middle income households increase in financial wealth because of this.

Low, Middle and High income households benefit via increased standard of living and more secure growth and return in their super.

I'd be willing to bet that low/fixed income earners and those

on welfare get 3/8ths of 5/16ths of sweet smack-all.

The bulk of any compensation will go to the middle-class to BUY VOTES.

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Reply #7 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 9:12pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 8:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Because a carbon price is aimed at the 1000 largest polluters so they cut their pollution.

Low to middle income households increase in financial wealth because of this.

Low, Middle and High income households benefit via increased standard of living and more secure growth and return in their super.

I'd be willing to bet that low/fixed income earners and those

on welfare get 3/8ths of 5/16ths of sweet smack-all.

The bulk of any compensation will go to the middle-class to BUY VOTES.

Where was this compassion toward the low income households, a couple of years ago, when Liberals voted down lifting pensioners out of poverty.

This may be the first time in a very long time the unemployed actually get an increase. I suppose Liberals will be opposed to this also.

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Reply #8 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 9:20pm

____ wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 9:12pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 8:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Because a carbon price is aimed at the 1000 largest polluters so they cut their pollution.

Low to middle income households increase in financial wealth because of this.

Low, Middle and High income households benefit via increased standard of living and more secure growth and return in their super.

I'd be willing to bet that low/fixed income earners and those

on welfare get 3/8ths of 5/16ths of sweet smack-all.

The bulk of any compensation will go to the middle-class to BUY VOTES.

Where was this compassion toward the low income households, a couple of years ago, when Liberals voted down lifting pensioners out of poverty.

This may be the first time in a very long time the unemployed actually get an increase. I suppose Liberals will be opposed to this also.

It was there.

It's ONE of the reasons I don't vote Conservative.

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Reply #9 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 11:45pm

greens - that's such shyte
it's not even worth a shake of my head at it.
what book of fantasygreeny everyoneishappier selfabuse did you jerk this one from ?

____ wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Because a carbon price is aimed at the 1000 largest polluters so they cut their pollution.

Low to middle income households increase in financial wealth because of this.

Low, Middle and High income households benefit via increased standard of living and more secure growth and return in their super.

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Reply #10 - Mar 18^th, 2011 at 6:33am

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:52pm:

You can be better off without increasing your consumption of everything. The whole point of a carbon tax is it targets those products with a high greenhouse footprint. Products with a low footprint will end up being more affordable.

That of course assumes ALL products are from Australia. Remember that the tax only affects companies in Australia.

An apple from China has a bigger carbon footprint given the distance it has to travel to get to your table

So if "affordable" is your marker as "better off" then you'll buy overseas products ie destroying local industries

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Reply #11 - Mar 18^th, 2011 at 7:53am

Where was this compassion toward the low income households, a couple of years ago, when Liberals voted down lifting pensioners out of poverty.

This may be the first time in a very long time the unemployed actuallyget an increase. I suppose Liberals will be opposed to this also. xxxxxx

lol selective posting again woody get an increase.

you forgot to mention her highness gillard was also opposed to a pension increase...lol.. and you jumped into bed with her.. so shutupayourface.

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Reply #12 - Mar 18^th, 2011 at 8:04am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 7:40pm:

The whole idea about taxing people (eg cigarettes) is to reduce their consumption

So if you are going to make them better off then why would anyone reduce their habits?

So this carbon tax is a farce!

of course you are right maqqa but dont expect anyone that has been blinded into think this stupid TAX will fix climate warming..lol.

will ever understand that logic...

as far as I know the car is NUMBER 1 when it comes to pollution starting with the making of the steel.. the industries are only the begining of this problem..they are not the B/all and end all as the hardleft would have us all believe..............

we are the problem "humans"..

and as an oldie but a goodie..

if they give me more money after food and bills whats left will probably go into my petrol tank.. so I can still go out 3.4 times a week..

you see as fast as they give us a raise.. everything goes up at the same time.. even though the raise is to cover what happened in the past and not to cover what is ahead..prescriptions have gone up by 60cents.each since labor came in..

now theres something about getting older everytime you go to the doctor you seem to come out with more prescriptions..

what worries me about this money being given to the poor.. is it a one off payment or will it continue each year???..like the tax will!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #13 - Mar 18^th, 2011 at 8:13am

cods wrote on Mar 18^th, 2011 at 8:04am:

[quote author=Maqqa link=1300354718/0#1 date=1300354807]The whole idea about taxing people (eg cigarettes) is to reduce their consumption

So if you are going to make them better off then why would anyone reduce their habits?

So this carbon tax is a farce!

of course you are right maqqa but dont expect anyone that has been blinded into think this stupid TAX will fix climate warming..lol.

will ever understand that logic...

as far as I know the car is NUMBER 1 when it comes to pollution starting with the making of the steel.. the industries are only the begining of this problem..they are not the B/all and end all as the hardleft would have us all believe..............

we are the problem "humans"..

and as an oldie but a goodie..

if they give me more money after food and bills whats left will probably go into my petrol tank.. so I can still go out 3.4 times a week..

you see as fast as they give us a raise.. everything goes up at the same time.. even though the raise is to cover what happened in the past and not to cover what is ahead..prescriptions have gone up by 60cents.each since labor came in..

now theres something about getting older everytime you go to the doctor you seem to come out with more prescriptions..

what worries me about this money being given to the poor.. is it a one off payment or will it continue each year???..like the tax will!!!!!!!!![/quote]

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I'd be surprised if the poor get very much at all in the way of
compensation, and if they do, it will probably be a one-off.

Like Howard's 'compensation' for the GST. A SMALL
(miniscule, actually) one-off payment, which was IMMEDIATELY
either clawed back by Satanlink or swallowed in cost-of-living increases.

An increase of AT LEAST $50 per week, ONGOING, would be the
MINIMUM compensation that I'd consider acceptable.

But, I can't see it happening. As I said earlier, I suspect that the
lion's share of any compensation will go to the middle-class to BUY VOTES.

I would be VERY surprised if I'm wrong.

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