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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:31am

Compared to when I was young homoaidea is almost extinct. I find that non hetrosexuals are accepted almost everywhere these days.

When I was young an offence like not playing footy was enough to get the label irrespective of if you liked girls or not - it would probably earn you a beating.

At least the last 5 workplaces I have been in have had a large number of openly homosexual people, mostly plesant harmless nice easy to get along with friendly people.

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #16 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:32am

Eunice and Owen Johns, have "strong views" on homosexuality.

PROPOSITION...
If there is no God, then good and evil are meaningless concepts, except as they are defined by society, and/or by ourselves.
Logically, if we can ignore, evade, the rules of our society, then we ourselves [within our own 'sphere of influence'] can become the absolute arbiters of what is good and evil.
[i.e. we become like God, we make ourselves God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "...shewing himself that he is God."]

Q.
What is the primary 'morality' which has pre-eminence in this age?

A.
"If it feels good, do it!"

Feelings of 'guilt', are 'illogical', as they do not 'serve' us, in the delivery of those things which give us pleasure.

So the logic of carnal man goes;
"Why shouldn't i do whatever will give me the most pleasure in this life??"

Look at this world.
Look at, and in, this world [mankind's world].

BLACK IS WHITE.
WHITE IS BLACK.
UP IS DOWN.
DOWN IS UP.

Deception, lies, wickedness, everywhere your eye may fall.
And, there is no repentance, for our wickedness.

Instead, men [mankind] turn away from [they refuse to *acknowledge*] the truth of 'cause and effect'.
We refuse to acknowledge that choices always have consequences.
And we refuse to accept personal responsibility, for the consequences of our own choices.
And we refuse to acknowledge the truth of what our own choices are creating.
Conflict, wars, and human poverty.

On another forum, someone suggested that [because of my expressed belief's] i must be a crazy person.
Are you a 'normal' person?
Today, many [supposedly] 'normal', sane people, demonstrate that they have a personal ethos, which does not include any concept of GOOD and EVIL.
Today, many [supposedly] 'normal', sane people have personal 'values' which not include any concept of self-restraint.

Look all over the world, at the type of leaders 'normal' people have chosen, and have elected to power, in recent years.
Tony Blair, GW Bush, Obama, Silvio Berlusconi, Vladimir Putin, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hamid Karzai, etc.

It is wonderful, isn't it!
Being 'normal'.
/sarc off

I'm so glad that many people consider that i am not 'normal'.

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Eunice and Owen Johns are in good company.
They are close to God.

BLESSED ARE THEY WHICH DO HUNGER AND THIRST AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS
...But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
....10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

John 15:17
These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Cain and Abel.
Cain was a murderer.
Why did Cain murder Abel?

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #17 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:42am

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Perhaps this can apply to homophobia - if they get too close - they'll succumb.

I always thought that this is a bogus argument though there may be a small number of cases where it is a factor. I have always felt that this is the homosexuals preferred position as it infers that hetro’s are closer to them than they are in reality.

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think homophobia is the wrong term as applied to most heterosexual men. The correct term would be something like homoaidea, where the suffix derives from the Greek word for revulsion.

I think this is about spot on, in my case it certainly is, this also explains why men do not feel the same way about homosexual females. We can understand what they are attracted to.

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #18 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:45am

0Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 7:22am:

Yes. It is a phobia after all. They just need some counselling to come to grips with it.

I saw a person with a fear of spiders, is it arachnophobia, and she had to look at the spider in a glass jar, next step to touch the jar, then they let the spider out on the table, and eventually she allowed the spider to crawl on her arm.

The homophobes could watch videos, then go to a gay bar, then talk to a gay couple and finally spend a few hours with the gay couple until they realise there is nothing to be afraid of.

Like a 12 step program lol

Or a hypnotist, repeating over and over "you love poo, you love poo, poo is good, poo is nice, poo is great!".

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:49am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:31am:

Compared to when I was young homoaidea is almost extinct. I find that non hetrosexuals are accepted almost everywhere these days.

When I was young an offence like not playing footy was enough to get the label irrespective of if you liked girls or not - it would probably earn you a beating.

At least the last 5 workplaces I have been in have had a large number of openly homosexual people, mostly plesant harmless nice easy to get along with friendly people.

"At least the last 5 workplaces I have been in have had a large number of openly homosexual people, mostly plesant harmless nice easy to get along with friendly people."

Not nasty creeps who would want to punish people who`s opinions don`t suit them, by preventing them from adopting children? Let`s not forget the abuse of people by homosexuals, for the crime of not conforming with their demands.

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:19am

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:32am:

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
....10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

1 Samuel 18:1,3
"And it came to pass, when he [David] had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul . . . And Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul."

1 Samuel 18:4

"Jonathan divested himself of the mantle he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his military dress, and his sword, his bow and his belt.

1 Samuel 20:30
"Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?"

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:34am

Coral Sea wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:29am:

muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:07am:

It's a strange thing, because Ancient Greek and Etruscan societies didn't have any such hang ups. One Etruscan mural from Tarquinia shows a chariot race, and two young men going playing the Etruscan game of chocolate salami in full view of other spectators.

This is a myth peddled by the international homosexual conspiracy. The primary difference between Greco-Roman views on sexuality and Christian ones is that in Christianity sexuality is considered to be binary--any deviation from heterosexual monogamy is sinful.

Their pagan predecessors did not, however, have the modern liberal view of homosexuality. It was routinely condemned as decadent and disgusting by moralizers, and was often combated by state power. At the same time their attitudes were flexible, as seen by widespread upper class bisexuality, pederastic pedagogy, and even militarized homosexuality (e.g. the Sacred Band of Thebes).

Most homosexuality in the classical world was also of the pederastic variety, in which homosexuality was not viewed as exclusive but rather a vice of older men with otherwise normal sexualities.

I don't think anything I said was in conflict to what you said. It was certainly tolerated by society to a greater extent. Some Greek societies were more disapproving that others. For example Sybaritic values were quite different from Spartan or Athenian. You're quite right that it wasn't exclusive. If anything it was a kind of semi-universal bisexuality.

I'm not sure which part you consider to be a myth. The mural actually exists. It's in the Tomb of the Bigas (two horse chariot) in Tarquinia.

I don't think this link is any worse than some of the topics discussed on here. If anybody is offended, let me know and I'll remove it.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/theopompus/morality.html

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #23 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:45am

muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:19am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:32am:

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
....10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

1 Samuel 18:1,3
"And it came to pass, when he [David] had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul . . . And Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul."

1 Samuel 18:4
"Jonathan divested himself of the mantle he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his military dress, and his sword, his bow and his belt.

1 Samuel 20:30
"Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?"

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Very good quotes muso! Wink

Psalms 25:7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.
8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 32:1
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

God called out Abraham, and demanded of him;

Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

But we, mankind, are not perfect before God.

In our lives, in this flesh, we have all made mistakes.

Q.
Who does God forgive ???

A.
The repentant soul.

Dictionary;
repent = = feel or express sincere regret or remorse.

Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

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Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness
Reply #24 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:47am

My God, the lengths you genetic defectives will go to in an effort to force your warped view of the desirable future for humanity is mind-boggling.
Most people would be against pedophilia - are they mentally ill in your minds?
Most people would abhor animal cruelty - are they mentally ill in your minds?
Face up to reality. MOST people are not comfortable with a range of things in relation to homosexuality and those include marriage & the raising of children.
Indulge in your queer practices if you must, free of persecution of course, but out of sight please and don't bother the rest of NORMAL society with your fanciful quest for world domination.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness Reply #25 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 10:02am Greeny with yet another contender for dumbest topic of the year.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness Reply #26 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 10:07am They are not willing or able to understand that their tendencies are deviant, ie being different from the norm, and so they seek to label the majority who are not persuaded to their demands as mentally ill. See a shrink!!!!
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5567 Gender:	Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness Reply #27 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 10:21am The disturbing thing here is that disapproval of homosexuality is now a crime in Britain, punishable by state imposed sanctions. This couple have obvously fostered children previously however because of their beliefs they are suddenly unsuitable. As others have mentioned, 1984 is here.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109681 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness Reply #28 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 10:24am Leviticus 20:13] Quote: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Is Homophobia A Mental Illness Reply #29 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 10:25am I used to take a fairly easy attitude to people like woody, being happy to humour them & josh them. But I've come to realise that they are in fact very dangerous people who are set on a course of remodelling our society in a great many unplesant ways.
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