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Re:  'Worst ever' property dive after disasters
Reply #240 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 2:09pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 10th, 2011 at 2:03pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2011 at 1:14pm:
Quadrupling the first home buyers scam or let in any foreigners and non residents to buy up property even if they are criminals.

- Last Nail


These were definitely mistakes Last Nail. That's a fact. (Only Andrei seems to think the latter was a GOOD thing .. and only the GOOD Lord knows why.)

I find it difficult to believe that ANY future Federal govt in office will ever consider repeating these 2 mistakes again. These measures caused undue suffering for Aussies and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at all to help them in terms of housing.

If anything .. these mistakes have contributed to and exacerbated the housing bubble we're seeing today.



I hate to say this but I don't think the libbos would have done such a stupid thing as what dudd did. They would have let it crash and then blame the GFC for it and no one would be the wiser and you wouldn't be paying so much for a joint and having to compete with lots of cashed up chinese who have entered the country on mickey mouse business migration scams Sad



LMAO! I reckon you might be right there Last Nail.

Let's focus on what DID happen though (otherwise we're going to be needlessly bogged down by academic hypotheticals).

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Reply #241 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 2:13pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 10th, 2011 at 2:05pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2011 at 1:26pm:
I note with interest that Andrei hasn't been able to respond in this topic ever since.


he does that when the going gets tough and he pisses off and hopes that everyone forgets about what he has said Wink Or maybe he is busy flying his Walter Mitty hot air balloon and traveling around the world in 80 days Wink LOL

you've got a laugh at Andrei. He is a real character Wink LOL


I don't know .. Andrei seems to be running from me quite a bit these days. Hmmm .. I wonder if the questions/comments I am directing at Andrei are perplexing him a little?

Perhaps I ought to dumb slow down?
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Reply #242 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 5:39pm
 
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Reply #243 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 6:08pm
 
That topic should be linked to this one. This is gonna get confusing otherwise.
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Reply #244 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 4:15pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 6:55am:
To borrow someone's words from another forum:

It is simple maths people… You cant defy the laws of gravity forever!!!!

3% above inflation for 100 years means that in 100 years house prices will be about 19 times higher than they are now in real terms. That is a $500,000 house renting for $500 per week will be 9.5 million and only renting for $500 per week.

Logic people please!!!!!

If you stretch your arguments out over a longer time frame, you realise how ridiculous they are!!!!

Property has gone up at the rate above inflation for 2 main reasons.

1. Easy credit. There is only so much the average person on $65,000 per year can afford in rent and interest payments. If you think that the average person will be able to afford a $9.5 million dollar mortgage with a $40,000 deposit in 100 years then property prices will continue at 3% above inflation. If you are a rational person, you may consider that a bit of a stretch!!!!

2. More women working – double income. Until we allow multiple wives / or husbands in Australia, this factor in property price growth has a limit. Maybe people are thinking we might be able to follow India’s model and get the 5 year olds working to help pay of a bigger mortgage. The money has to come from somewhere!!!!


Spot on, it's great to see a bit of common sense employed!

The Australian housing market is on a precipice, things are getting very very ugly. If anyones any way bullish about property I strongly recommend you read up here.....

australianpropertyforum.com/blog/main/3247452
Australian Real Estate Faces Perfect Storm

Then you'll understand why house prices in this country are going to be in freefall for a long long long time!

Tom Kline.
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Reply #245 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 9:05pm
 
TKline wrote on Mar 11th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 6:55am:
To borrow someone's words from another forum:

It is simple maths people… You cant defy the laws of gravity forever!!!!

3% above inflation for 100 years means that in 100 years house prices will be about 19 times higher than they are now in real terms. That is a $500,000 house renting for $500 per week will be 9.5 million and only renting for $500 per week.

Logic people please!!!!!

If you stretch your arguments out over a longer time frame, you realise how ridiculous they are!!!!

Property has gone up at the rate above inflation for 2 main reasons.

1. Easy credit. There is only so much the average person on $65,000 per year can afford in rent and interest payments. If you think that the average person will be able to afford a $9.5 million dollar mortgage with a $40,000 deposit in 100 years then property prices will continue at 3% above inflation. If you are a rational person, you may consider that a bit of a stretch!!!!

2. More women working – double income. Until we allow multiple wives / or husbands in Australia, this factor in property price growth has a limit. Maybe people are thinking we might be able to follow India’s model and get the 5 year olds working to help pay of a bigger mortgage. The money has to come from somewhere!!!!


Spot on, it's great to see a bit of common sense employed!

The Australian housing market is on a precipice, things are getting very very ugly. If anyones any way bullish about property I strongly recommend you read up here.....

australianpropertyforum.com/blog/main/3247452
Australian Real Estate Faces Perfect Storm

Then you'll understand why house prices in this country are going to be in freefall for a long long long time!

Tom Kline.


In Melbourne the property spruikers were at it again on the 6 pm news  talking about housing afford ability being out of the reach of most and maybe if you can't afford to get ripped off buying an over priced house then you should just rent a joint preferably from a real estate agent of course Wink Why does the media keep running with this garbage ? Who really needs to know about not being able to afford to buy something ? Just say nothing and leave it be because they have had their chance to make housing more affordable to first home buyers with the failed FHOG scams !!

I think the spruikers like to play musical chairs. Get in and buy now before the music stops and you miss out because it's only going to get dearer Wink Yep house prices are going to keep rising whilst wages stay constant and then who will be able to afford to buy their rubbish ?? With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ?
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Re:  'Worst ever' property dive after disasters
Reply #246 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:19am
 
<<With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ? >>
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There are a couple of beachfront properties in my area that have been on the market for years, the for sales signs are all beaten up and faded.....but they're holding out for their price lol
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Reply #247 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:07pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:19am:
<<With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ? >>
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There are a couple of beachfront properties in my area that have been on the market for years, the for sales signs are all beaten up and faded.....but they're holding out for their price lol


Hmmm .. interesting because I just came back from an auction where a waterfront property (now owned by one of my rels) .. sold well above the reserve price.

Sydney is BOOMING I tell ya.

Where are these beachfront properties that you've mentioned roughly located Pansi?
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Reply #248 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:07pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:19am:
<<With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ? >>
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There are a couple of beachfront properties in my area that have been on the market for years, the for sales signs are all beaten up and faded.....but they're holding out for their price lol


Hmmm .. interesting because I just came back from an auction where a waterfront property (now owned by one of my rels) .. sold well above the reserve price.

Sydney is BOOMING I tell ya.

Where are these beachfront properties that you've mentioned roughly located Pansi?


Well out IN the BOONDOCKS    Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #249 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:14pm
 
bwood1946 wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:07pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:19am:
<<With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ? >>
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There are a couple of beachfront properties in my area that have been on the market for years, the for sales signs are all beaten up and faded.....but they're holding out for their price lol


Hmmm .. interesting because I just came back from an auction where a waterfront property (now owned by one of my rels) .. sold well above the reserve price.

Sydney is BOOMING I tell ya.

Where are these beachfront properties that you've mentioned roughly located Pansi?


Well out IN the BOONDOCKS    Wink Wink Wink


It sounds like they might be to me.

Perhaps we ought to wait and see what Pansi's answer is though.

Even though my specialty and focus is the Sydney domestic property market .. I can access whatever real estate information I want regarding other areas in Oz.

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Reply #250 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:27pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:07pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:19am:
<<With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ? >>
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There are a couple of beachfront properties in my area that have been on the market for years, the for sales signs are all beaten up and faded.....but they're holding out for their price lol


Hmmm .. interesting because I just came back from an auction where a waterfront property (now owned by one of my rels) .. sold well above the reserve price.

Sydney is BOOMING I tell ya.

Where are these beachfront properties that you've mentioned roughly located Pansi?


Forgot to mention .. the property in question basically walked through the market with absolute ease. My personal thoughts?? The property sold about $150K above its true value. There were 2 other cashed up Asian couples there bidding hard .. and my rels walked away with the sale knowing they paid a more than fair amount for it NOT a bargain price at all.

Property dive eh? I don't think so. I was having a chat to the real estate agents there about this .. after the contracts were signed. They laughed. It's business as usual they reckon.
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Reply #251 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 2:55pm
 
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AS FAR as top-end real estate goes, these are rich pickings - Noosa's property market is brimming with luxury bargains due to an oversupply of stock and undersupply of buyers.

As pressure mounts on sellers some under siege from banks prices of homes in the iconic playground for the rich and famous have dropped.

Prominent agent Tom Offermann said that for "those with confidence" this was a defining moment. "You can buy well and reap the rewards," he said. "Stock is up 20 per cent on normal levels, buyers are down about 30 per cent and there's good value."

Mr Offermann said the reason behind the downward shift was that Noosa had a high concentration of "discretionary properties" holiday and investment homes that people looked to dispose of in uncertain times.

However, he said the area coped better than other hotspots and would bounce back faster.

Mr Offermann's agency recently sold a duplex apartment at 2/11 Mitti St, Little Cove, for $2.015 million for sellers who had acquired it in 2006 for $2.43 million a reduction of 17 per cent.

A stunning waterfront unit in Las Rias on Noosa Sound is listed at $1.95 million 22 per cent below the 2008 value of $2.5 million.

Laguna Real Estate has arguably the biggest bargain, described as "the pinnacle of luxury" in the prized Little Cove precinct.

Agent John Swainson said the price of Lot 3 Bayview Woods an architecturally designed four-bedroom, three-bathroom prestige home a short stroll through rainforest to the water and Hastings St had been slashed 34 per cent from $2.95 million to $1.95 million.

The owner, a long-time local developer and real estate agent, who did not wish to be named, told The Courier-Mail he was selling due to "financial pressures" linked to the global financial crisis and had decided to move to Cairns to start a new business.

"The timing obviously is not good, but I will sell this property," he said.

"I have worked in this area for 30 years and am aware of the market changes. I think that, generally speaking, Little Cove prices have shrunk 15 to 20 per cent, but it's an incredible spot that will bounce back strongly."

At Sunshine Beach, Heather Marshall, of Dowling and Neylan, has another property a developer is looking to sell in a hurry.

Previously listed as high as $1.4 million, 14b Weyba St was $920,000 last week and today has seen a further reduction to $895,000 (down 36 per cent) and this includes a furniture package worth tens of thousands of dollars.

Competition for a sale also is heating up across town along the prized canal-front street of The Promontory at Noosa Waters.

This millionaires' row, where mansions previously have sold for more than $4 million, has seen a number of "For Sale" signs hammered in with some prices recently reduced by up to $300,000.

The good news, Mr Offermann says, is that there are signs of recovery, led by increased interest from interstate and Brisbane buyers.

With the tide turning, the man who has ridden the renowned surf town's high and lows for 26 years says those who buy now will have plenty to celebrate in coming years.

"These prices won't last. Once the recovery becomes more evident, sellers will firm up their prices," he said.

Knockdown prices

Lot 3 Bayview Woods, Little Cove

WAS: $2.95m

NOW: $1.95m

REDUCTION: 34 per cent

Unit 2, Las Rias, Noosa Sound

WAS: $2.5m (2008)

NOW: $1.95m

REDUCTION: 22 per cent

2/11 Mitti Street, Little Cove

WAS: $2.430m (2006)

NOW: Sold for $2.015m

REDUCTION: 17 per cent

14b Weyba St, Sunshine Beach

WAS: $1.4m

NOW: $895k (fully furnished)

REDUCTION: 36 per cent

http://www.couriermail.com.au/property/rich-pickings-as-noosas-mansions-going-for-a-song-as-buyers-retreat/story-e6frequ6-1226020073799
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Reply #252 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 4:32pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 1:07pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:19am:
<<With no one to buy what do they think will happen to the price ? >>
................................................................................
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There are a couple of beachfront properties in my area that have been on the market for years, the for sales signs are all beaten up and faded.....but they're holding out for their price lol


Hmmm .. interesting because I just came back from an auction where a waterfront property (now owned by one of my rels) .. sold well above the reserve price.

Sydney is BOOMING I tell ya.

Where are these beachfront properties that you've mentioned roughly located Pansi?


Forgot to mention .. the property in question basically walked through the market with absolute ease. My personal thoughts?? The property sold about $150K above its true value. There were 2 other cashed up Asian couples there bidding hard .. and my rels walked away with the sale knowing they paid a more than fair amount for it NOT a bargain price at all.

Property dive eh? I don't think so. I was having a chat to the real estate agents there about this .. after the contracts were signed. They laughed. It's business as usual they reckon.


Jees you must be naive Lisa.

Asking real estate agents for an opinion on property sales is like asking Dracula for his advice on donating blood Wink LOL
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Reply #253 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 4:46pm
 
<<There were 2 other cashed up Asian couples there bidding hard .. >.
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What sort of visa were they on, or what passports did they have lisa. Were they Australian born? They could have been Mongolian drug smugglers yeah?
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Reply #254 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 11:18pm
 
don't worry .. when disaster strikes .. all will be worthless ..
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