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Reply #195 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:17pm
 
<<yes but what stops the bubble from bursting when there is a credit squeeze, rising interest rates, rising fuel prices, world instability  etc ?? sooner or later something has to give no matter how many chinese buy up property here !! >>
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Nothing will stop it. Wait two years and buy at half of today's price. The spruikers will tell you that we are different to America and Ireland. We're pretty much the same. Their mistakes will be our mistakes. Wait and see.
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Reply #196 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:19pm
 
<<Why? Because the bubble .. whilst there .. isn't THAT big (well not yet in any event). >>
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Houses over 50% more than they should be, that's a bubble alright.
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Reply #197 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:36pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:12pm:
why in australia will it be just an adjustment and not a crash ??

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Why? Because the bubble .. whilst there .. isn't THAT big (well not yet in any event).

Having said that .. it's getting pretty stupid now. I mean this is effectively what is now happening more and more (in Sydney): professional couples are marrying in their early 30's and finding themselves co owning ONE house with a 30 yr mortgage of around $1 million.

As if that's not enough .. the house in question isn't anything spectacular either and the position of such a home tends to be in a semi decent area .. nothing spectacular there either.

A recipe for disaster IMO .. esp if/when a little baby comes along and suddenly 1 parent stops working even for a little while.



are you saying that these house price to income ratios don't constitute a bubble ??

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http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20110125/aussie-house-prices-hit-the-tipping-poin...

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Reply #198 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:45pm
 
Thanks for the link Last Nail.

Please tell me you're not relying on that publication and any of the information it states.

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Reply #199 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:50pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 5:36pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 5:29pm:
I am in favor of overseas investors being allowed to buy Australian property.

This is capital coming INTO the country.

Works for me.


Ok Andrei .. kindly tell us all how that works for you as an Australian citizen.

You have the floor.


You're competing against cashed up Asians who can access interest rates at half the rates that you and I can ... and it seems to somehow work for you.

By all means do tell us how this works for YOU! I know I am all ears.

Hopefully you will be able to let us know soon.
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Reply #200 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:56pm
 
What are rental prices like in Australia?  Is renting property there the norm?  What other options?  My son and his girlfriend are thinking of going there for a look if they can save enough money.  Both unhappy with what Ireland hasn't got to offer young people just starting out on their lifetimes.  Two good university degrees - no jobs and no future from Ireland.   Cry Undecided
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Reply #201 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:32pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:45pm:
Thanks for the link Last Nail.

Please tell me you're not relying on that publication and any of the information it states.



No I'm not. Those are official statistics and have been repeated elsewhere Wink
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Reply #202 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:34pm
 
Shell to Sea wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:56pm:
What are rental prices like in Australia?  Is renting property there the norm?  What other options?  My son and his girlfriend are thinking of going there for a look if they can save enough money.  Both unhappy with what Ireland hasn't got to offer young people just starting out on their lifetimes.  Two good university degrees - no jobs and no future from Ireland.   Cry Undecided



Rents can be gut wrenching in Australia.
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Reply #203 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:40pm
 
Shell to Sea wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:56pm:
What are rental prices like in Australia?  Is renting property there the norm?  What other options?  My son and his girlfriend are thinking of going there for a look if they can save enough money.  Both unhappy with what Ireland hasn't got to offer young people just starting out on their lifetimes.  Two good university degrees - no jobs and no future from Ireland.   Cry Undecided


Yes someone posted a video on this thread about Ireland and how it has crashed Sad



rents have sky rocketed in Australia because property investors believe that they can buy a place with minimal deposit and then offload most of the financial burden onto the tenant. Unfortunately our taxation system encourages this Sad It's called greed and their is no shortage of it in Australia Sad
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Reply #204 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 10:53am
 
No Last Nail .. the cost in BUYING a house is VERY high (esp in Sydney). Anyone who buys a home is faced with HIGH mortgage repayments as a result. Read my previous post from 7.12 pm last night. Average to above average houses in average to above average suburbs in Sydney start at $1 million.

It matters little if you buy a home to live in or rent out .. YOU still need to repay the damn loan. And loans amounts are HIGH!

It's just crazy to expect a landlord to rent out a home cheaply because they feel sorry for tenants. Mortgage repayment obligations along with rates and repairs etc need to be met. Rising interest rates don't help this situation either. But the real issue (as I see it) is that the cost of a home is bloody high to begin with.

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Reply #205 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 10:55am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:12pm:
why in australia will it be just an adjustment and not a crash ??

- Last Nail


Why? Because the bubble .. whilst there .. isn't THAT big (well not yet in any event).

Having said that .. it's getting pretty stupid now. I mean this is effectively what is now happening more and more (in Sydney): professional couples are marrying in their early 30's and finding themselves co owning ONE house with a 30 yr mortgage of around $1 million.

As if that's not enough .. the house in question isn't anything spectacular either and the position of such a home tends to be in a semi decent area .. nothing spectacular there either.

A recipe for disaster IMO .. esp if/when a little baby comes along and suddenly 1 parent stops working even for a little while.



This is the post I am referring to Last Nail.
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Reply #206 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:04am
 
Andrei must be thinking hard about the question I asked him last night. Good. Hopefully he'll be able to come back with a well considered response.
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Reply #207 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:13am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 7th, 2011 at 10:53am:
No Last Nail .. the cost in BUYING a house is VERY high (esp in Sydney). Anyone who buys a home is faced with HIGH mortgage repayments as a result. Read my previous post from 7.12 pm last night. Average to above average houses in average to above average suburbs in Sydney start at $1 million.

It matters little if you buy a home to live in or rent out .. YOU still need to repay the damn loan. And loans amounts are HIGH!

It's just crazy to expect a landlord to rent out a home cheaply because they feel sorry for tenants. Mortgage repayment obligations along with rates and repairs etc need to be met. Rising interest rates don't help this situation either. But the real issue (as I see it) is that the cost of a home is bloody high to begin with.



Lisa, yes yes !! Greedy landlords are trying to mitigate their risk by offloading their financial burden onto the tenant as much as they can hence the ripoff rents. Nobody ask greedy landlords to buy homes and rent them out. Why don't they piss off and why doesn't the government abolish negative gearing and instead give tax concessions to first home buyers ?? Tenants don't need to be paying off some greedy landlords dump. They should be paying it off for themselves. It's just that the tax system favours hoarders and speculators. Do first homer buyers really need to be competing with that swill ??

It could only happen in australia of course Sad
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Reply #208 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:23am
 
Well Lisa have a look at this. I know you don't like this dude but he does make a lot of sense Wink

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20110307/urgent-australian-property-update.html

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But the reason is simple.  The article from News Ltd confirms everything we’d thought.  That auction and house price numbers are being fudged.

And it quotes a property expert rare among property experts – a non-spruiker.  Louis Christopher, director of SQM Research told News Ltd:

“We are having a very high percentage of auction campaigns going unreported to the reporting bodies, and we strongly believe those unreported auctions are actually failed campaigns.”

And it’s not just Mr. Christopher saying it.  The article also quotes Damian Cooley from “Sydney’s largest independent auction house” Cooley Auctions.

He said:

“In the vast majority of cases, the results that don’t get reported were either withdrawn or passed in, and the agents don’t want those results reported the next day.

“Ours [auction clearance rate] is 100 per cent accurate as we represented 12.2 per cent of the market on that day, so I find it hard to believe there’s a 14 per cent difference across the market.”

Mr. Cooley was referring to the Australian Property Monitors’ clearance rate of 65 per cent for the weekend before last.  Cooley Auctions had just a 51 per cent clearance rate.

In other words, it doesn’t make sense that there would be such a large discrepancy between the clearance numbers.

And it’s not just in Sydney where there’s rampant under-reporting.

Last week Domain.com.au ran an article titled, “Results good but not great”  The article rounded off with, “There are 975 auctions scheduled next weekend.”

Remember that number.  Because this week the Real Estate Institute of Victoria announced the past weekend’s auction results:

“This weekend looks like a carbon copy of last with a total of 565 homes from the 852 auctions selling resulting in a clearance rate of 66 per cent compared to last weekends 65 per cent.”

No mention of what happened to the other 123 scheduled auctions.  Our tip is they were cancelled, passed in, or sold below the advertised price.

But whatever the outcome, the real estate agents don’t want to reveal the results.  And it’s possible the real clearance rate is closer to 58%.  That’s a big difference.

It shows you the extent the spruikers will go to hide what’s really happening to house prices.

Even now, CommSec’s economists are claiming Australia’s house prices are going up:

“It is important to highlight that while the housing sector is cooling it is not about to collapse in a heap.  Overall CommSec expects house prices to consolidate over the next few months, but for the year as a whole we would expect prices to lift by 5 per cent.”

It’s almost embarrassing to see them still carrying on.  Too late dudes, prices are down and heading further south.

But still the property gurus want you to think it’s still a good time to buy.

Look, I’ll take anecdotal evidence and real stories from people trying to sell their houses, plus what I can see happening in the market, over anything some dodgy house price index tells me.

A few months ago I warned you the housing bubble had already started to burst.  It was just that the dodgy indices hadn’t shown it yet.

At that time the spruikers were still claiming house prices were rising and that we’d see “normal” growth of between 5-10% this year – CommSec are still flogging that horse.

As usual, they and the mainstream press were lagging what was really happening.

The fact is, while the spruikers keep trying to talk-up Aussie house prices, prices have already fallen.  All the myths given by spruikers to justify why Aussie house prices can’t fall are proving to be no more truthful than [look away kids] unicorns and fairies.

Expect the Aussie housing market to get much, much worse before it improves.
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Reply #209 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:58am
 
Hi Lisa & Nail,
The high mortgages are ok if you're a lawyer on $350 an hour but for mere mortals
it represents a hell of a lot of money to come up with every month.
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