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Reply #120 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 4:50pm
 
<<Id love to see an idiot like you buy a house on ebay. Selling a house isnt like selling in a checkout. If you actually bought one, you'd know that. >>
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What are you singing about choirboy?

Any idiot that knows anything would know there are websites set up to buy and sell real estate....it's not difficult, if you can fill out a simple form or two. What does the agent do anyway, apart from ripping both parties off. You still have to organise your own legals. You don't need a freaking university degree to sell houses durr!!!!

Has old Stevo the used car salesman got a doctorate now? You've been asleep for a looooong weekend lol
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Reply #121 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 5:14pm
 
Perth property still suffering

Yet more evidence has emerged about the sluggish nature of Perth's property market compared to the rest of the nation.

It's been bad, but just how bad? Yet more evidence has emerged about the depressed nature of Perth's property market.

A record run of falling prices, the state's real estate industry head saying the situation was "unprecedented", and a former government minister warning the McMansion was in danger of becoming unsaleable all emerged yesterday.

The comments added to the aura of gloom surrounding the industry, encapsulated in December when a prominent agent told WAtoday.com.au that the Perth market was going through its worst spell in 10 years.
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Real Estate Institute of WA president Alan Bourke told an Australian Property Institute forum yesterday that falls in median prices had wiped out any gains from the past three years and turnover had taken a hit - even as listings soared by more than 50 per cent in a year.

"We've had five quarters of decline in activity, and that's pretty much unprecedented," Mr Bourke said.

"This time we aren't going to get any interest rate subsidies (referring to the federal governments stimulus package and falling rates after the global financial crisis hit) so it will be interesting to see what prices do over the next 12 months."

However, as the rental vacancy rate started to tighten - it had already gone from 4.5 per cent to 3.5 per cent and he expected it to be 2.5 per cent by March - there could be a bright side for investors.

"If that's the case we could see rentals rise. There is competition for tenants again and we haven't seen that for about 18 months or so... that may be the catalyst for improvement in the market."

Higher rentals could also see tenants seriously consider buying their own homes, Mr Bourke said.

Stats expose a dire market

His comments come as more official evidence emerged yesterday about the sluggish nature of Perth's property market compared to the rest of the nation.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics monthly house price index for the three months to December, showed a fall of 3.2 per cent. The index was also 2 per cent lower than the same quarter in 2009.

Perth was the only state capital to record a fall in either category.

The quarterly fall was the largest such drop since the ABS began compiling the index in 2002.

It was also the third consecutive quarterly fall, after the September figure was revised from a 0.4 per cent rise to a 1.8 per cent drop.

Most of the drop was attributed to the fall in value of properties priced below $1 million.

The ABS statistics are represented by an index, not a price figure. The index now stands at 198, the lowest figure since September 2009.

On Monday, property analysts RP Data and Rismark International said the median price for a dwelling in the city fell 0.9 per cent for November and 2.3 per cent for the year, to $465,000.

While house prices fell, the majority of the overall fall was due to a decrease in value of units.

End of the McMansion

Former state planning minister Alannah MacTiernan told the API forum that the four-bedroom, two-bathroom McMansion risked becoming unsaleable, thanks to demographic changes.

"You talk to young couples in outer suburbs, not on a big income, and you ask why they want a four-by-two when it's only the two of them," she said.

"They say they have been told it is about resale value and that you can't sell a three-by-one. The market in the future is going to consist of smaller and smaller households and we may find that the four-by-two... turns out to be a lemon."

Demographic projections showed families with children, at present about one-third of households, would fall to one-quarter by 2029, while singles and couples would make up 60 per cent of the market.

"The four-by-two, in the volumes that we are building them, does not match household formation," Ms MacTiernan said.

While the WA appetite was for larger home sizes, they should be designed in such a way that they could easily be split into two or three in line with a return to "intergenerational living".

A property developer told the forum there were signs house prices had plateaued in recent years.

Cedar Woods managing director Paul Sadlier said the market had to be shown that smaller could be better.

"We need to make 'mini-mansions' more fashionable and we need to make the case for infill development and showcase the better examples that are around."

http://news.domain.com.au/domain/home-investor-centre/perth-property-still-suffering-20110202-1ad54.html
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Reply #122 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 5:33pm
 
Australia still has the most overpriced housing on the planet so it still has a long way to go.
Housing in Australia needs to fall around 1/3rd.
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Reply #123 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 5:38pm
 
when Rudd did end the Howard era .. how much the house worth back then ?? and now .. ?? look like the Lab really do a good job then along with the Green ..
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Reply #124 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 5:45pm
 
Both Howard and Rudd are resonsible for the housing bubble..both of them dropped the ball on that one.
Interest rates should have gone much higher much sooner to dampen demand.
All low interest rates do is create lots of debt and always end up in a bust.
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Reply #125 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 5:57pm
 
when things are going well .. there will be FHOG .. and import more people to make the market more attractive .. but when things are out of hands .. then people start moving out like in Ireland .. or being sent home like the Mexican in the US ...
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Reply #126 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 11:42pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 4th, 2011 at 5:45pm:
Both Howard and Rudd are resonsible for the housing bubble..both of them dropped the ball on that one.
Interest rates should have gone much higher much sooner to dampen demand.
All low interest rates do is create lots of debt and always end up in a bust.


their gangbuster economy is based on a pile of unprocessed minerals and an overinflated service sector Sad They have lost the plot when it comes to value adding and manufacturing Sad
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Reply #127 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 3:24am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:41pm:
Finally, Here Comes the Price Crash…

We’ve told you many times house prices are gonna go south.  If you hadn’t taken notice by now, you never will.  But that’s OK.  We can’t help everyone.

We’ve warned home-owners and home-buyers for the last two years that the Australian housing market was at the tipping point.

We were ridiculed for saying so.

We told you to only buy a house if: you don’t see a home as an investment.  You’re prepared to see zero or negative price growth.  And you’re pretty sure you can keep up repayments when interest rates go up, or when the economy crashes and unemployment soars.

If you fit into any of those categories then sure, go ahead and buy a house.  Just don’t expect to make any money from it.

Remember that you won’t have the same luxury that house buyers had during the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s.  They rode the coattails of the credit expansion boom, where interest costs were more than offset by rapid price growth.

The next ten years will be different: interest costs will outpace price growth.

And soon enough, property speculators and owner-occupiers will realise this.  And that will cause the biggest hit to house prices.  They’ll realise they shouldn’t take out the biggest mortgage possible, because price growth won’t offset the interest costs.

Landlords will realise it too.  For years they’ve taken a loss on the income because they knew house prices would go up.  They could afford to be negatively geared because in the long run it would pay off.

Not anymore.

read the full story at:

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20110301/finally-here-comes-the-price-crash%E2%80%A6.html#more-4761

Thanks a lot for the info. I want to sell my property but I am not so sure anymore...
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Reply #128 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 6:16am
 
<<Thanks a lot for the info. I want to sell my property but I am not so sure anymore... >>
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It depends why you want to sell really. If you are selling and re buying straight away, it doesn't make much difference. If you sell and wait a year or two, you will save a lot, depends on your circumstances.

Now is a good time to sell, buy not to buy, that's why there are so many houses on the market, everyone wants to offload their investment properties  before the crash.
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Reply #129 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 10:14am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:28pm:
Auctions are a lottery & most have dummy bidders not matter what the Real estates say.
What you really need to do is get to know 1 real estate in the area your looking for & cultivate a relationship.
You want to know about things before they hit the web & windows.
You want to know if the sellers one of the 3 D's
Divorce, Death, Desperate(broke)
That's where the real bargains are found

- dsmithy


He's right lol!

It kinda helps if some of your best mates and relatives are in real estate too Smiley


Even with all that .. auctions are nerve-wracking events for me. And I'm off to attend 3 back to back auctions here in Sydney.

Am I excited? Nope! Why? Because I already know I'm up against cashed up Asians in all 3 of them. Ah well .. I'm still going to brave the cold and wet weather conditions .. and give it a go.

My expectations? I expect all 3 properties to sell well above their reserve price .. and I expect all 3 properties to sell to the Asian bidders there (who are no doubt cashed up thanks to interest rates at 1/3 - 1/2 the interest rates we Aussies can access). I don't believe I am being negative here .. just realistic given what I've seen over the past yr.

Even so .. I've done my homework (and triple checked it even) .. I know what the homes in question SHOULD be selling for .. and I am prepared to walk away if they sell above that price range.

I'll report back later tonight on how it all eventuates. It will be interesting.

Worst ever property dive eh? We'll see.
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Reply #130 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 10:22am
 
in order to build a high rise building .. it must be geological fit with a very strong, stable and well built foundation ..

a rocket when goes up .. make sure it will come down, otherwise it will be trashed in the outer space ..

the housing bubbles will not be in different circumstances ..
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Reply #131 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 10:26am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 2:57pm:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/NSW/Caves-Beach/?adid=200883541...

http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/NSW/Stockton/?adid=2008777494

http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/NSW/The-Junction/?adid=20085193...

There's a couple just to let your compare what you are getting for your money.
As I said if you came in with a serious offer of around 10% less than the asking it would be considered.


Very nice!

Incidentally, I was speaking to my sister's in-laws last night (who are from Newcastle as I stated earlier) at a family function. They reminded me of the place they showed me last time I was in Newcastle on business. It was the King Edward Park region .. called The Hill. THAT region .. blew my mind away.
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Reply #132 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 10:42am
 
Sage advice, I've a mate that deals exclusively in DDD real estate. although the last D is distressed in his book.


There is one great equaliser as John Maynard Keynes famously stated: In the end we are all dead", and that applies even to the financial vultures
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Reply #133 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 11:35am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 5th, 2011 at 10:14am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:28pm:
Auctions are a lottery & most have dummy bidders not matter what the Real estates say.
What you really need to do is get to know 1 real estate in the area your looking for & cultivate a relationship.
You want to know about things before they hit the web & windows.
You want to know if the sellers one of the 3 D's
Divorce, Death, Desperate(broke)
That's where the real bargains are found

- dsmithy


He's right lol!

It kinda helps if some of your best mates and relatives are in real estate too Smiley


Even with all that .. auctions are nerve-wracking events for me. And I'm off to attend 3 back to back auctions here in Sydney.

Am I excited? Nope! Why? Because I already know I'm up against cashed up Asians in all 3 of them. Ah well .. I'm still going to brave the cold and wet weather conditions .. and give it a go.

My expectations? I expect all 3 properties to sell well above their reserve price .. and I expect all 3 properties to sell to the Asian bidders there (who are no doubt cashed up thanks to interest rates at 1/3 - 1/2 the interest rates we Aussies can access). I don't believe I am being negative here .. just realistic given what I've seen over the past yr.

Even so .. I've done my homework (and triple checked it even) .. I know what the homes in question SHOULD be selling for .. and I am prepared to walk away if they sell above that price range.

I'll report back later tonight on how it all eventuates. It will be interesting.

Worst ever property dive eh? We'll see.


As money is getting tight for the locals it looks like those cashed up asians are keeping the bubble inflated Wink It's still a bubble though Wink
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Reply #134 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 11:42am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 4th, 2011 at 4:37pm:
Id love to see an idiot like you buy a house on ebay. Selling a house isnt like selling in a checkout. If you actually bought one, you'd know that.


It's just a legal transaction so any lawyer could do it and there are some that do it for a fixed fee which is a hell of a lot cheaper than agent scumbags !!

http://www.lawyersrealestate.com.au/realestate/selling/default.asp

Quote:
How we sell real estate

At Lawyers Real Estate we have identified a number of estate agent procedures as irrelevant, outdated and over-priced.

In their place, we have developed a quality endorsed best practice system of highly effective and transparent services which span the entire transaction from initial listing to settlement.

Our "no-nonsense" approach to real estate sales differs from that of other estate agents in five critical areas:

       Fixed-fee service
       Internet advertising
       Vendor inspections
       Valuation
       Negotiation and sale closure

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