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'Worst ever' property dive after disasters
Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:13pm
 
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    * House values fall across nation
    * Disasters keep consumers sidelined
    * Housing affordability slumps

HOMEBUYERS are deserting the property market in the wake of recent natural disasters with latest figures showing the biggest monthly slide on record.

The weather crises in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria in December and January have kept home buyers sidelined, with property values slipping across the nation.

The RP Data-Rismark Home Value Index for capital city dwellings dropped 1.6 per cent (seasonally adjusted) in January, while regional residences lost 1.2 per cent of their value.

It's the biggest monthly slide in Australian property sales ever, according to RP Data.

Canberra was hardest hit  with prices slipping 3.8 per cent, followed by Perth at 2.6 per cent and Brisbane 2.3 per cent.

RP Data's information will be used by the Reserve Bank of Australia when it meets tomorrow to discuss the possibility of raising the nation's official cash rate.


The index previously reported a 0.4 per cent capital gain for the month of December, which has been revised slightly to 0.3 per cent with the addition of further sales data.

RP Data research analyst Cameron Kusher said market conditions are typically flat in January because of the holiday period but the natural disasters had made it even worse.

"It’s the biggest fall in values that we’ve ever seen on a monthly basis so while we’re not pressing the alarm bells yet we will wait and see what the February results actually tell us," Mr Kusher said.

"We expect it will be revised up slightly,  we don’t expect the February result to be nearly as bad as January as clearance rates are improving and there are other indicators suggesting a better outlook."

While the natural disasters occurred in three states, its impact on the property market had spread across the nation, Mr Kusher said.

"The disasters kept people out of the market,  particularly in Brisbane," Mr Kusher said.

"But it also impacted on potential buyers in other states because they holiday in Queensland or they have family and friends there."

More broadly, over the 12 months to the end of January, the index reported that home values in Perth had fallen 3.8 per cent, the biggest drop nationwide, followed by Brisbane (-3.7 per cent) and Canberra (-0.6 per cent).

At the other end of the spectrum Darwin has regained the title of the best performing city, recording a capital gain of 4.7 per cent over the year to end January.

This was followed by Melbourne (3.6 per cent), Sydney (2.5 per cent), Hobart (2.2 per cent), and Adelaide (2.0 per cent).

Meanwhile, housing affordability slumped 10 per cent during 2010 as a result of four interest rate rises, compounding an already dwindling supply of new homes, a housing lobby group says.

The Housing Industry Association (HIA)/Commonwealth Bank housing affordability index released today fell by a further 1.8 per cent in the December quarter.

Housing affordability dropped 5.5 per cent in Sydney in the December quarter, followed by a 3.4 per cent decline in Canberra and a 3.4 per cent fall in Adelaide.

Affordability improved modestly in Brisbane and Perth, rising 0.5 per cent and 0.1 per cent respectively.
Outside the capital cities, in the non-metropolitan regions of NSW affordability rose 2.8 per cent, followed by a 1.3 per cent increase in Victoria.

But affordability deteriorated in Tasmania (down 3.8 per cent) and Western Australia (down 2 per cent).

HIA chief economist Harley Dale said housing affordability took a big hit during 2010, with interest rate increases in March, April, May and November behind the decline.

Economists are unanimous in excepting no change in rates tomorrow but Dr Dale said governments needed to "up the ante'' on delivering policy reform to tackle a range of supply-side constraints, including the lack of affordable land and the dire shortage of available credit for commercially viable residential projects.

A down trend in residential construction over nearly a decade is obviously tied to a downward trajectory in housing affordability, he said.
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Reply #1 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:57pm
 
I am expecting level house prices in Melbourne as people in QLD who will get insurance
money may decide to move to Melbourne & not rebuild on swamp land.
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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:11am
 
look like the money has gone out and not much left .. that's why they hurry with so many taxes .. in such cases .. you won't see a bright picture in the future ahead ... a diving in home price is also possible ..
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Reply #3 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:15am
 
bridonta wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:11am:
look like the money has gone out and not much left .. that's why they hurry with so many taxes .. in such cases .. you won't see a bright picture in the future ahead ... a diving in home price is also possible ..


As predicted by Steve Keen and Kris Sayce of Money Morning Wink

But just last week we had the Real Estate Institute of Victoria trying to pump up the housing market with its rubbery record median house price figures along with the usual two page spread in the Sunday Herald Sun, not to mention all of the media outlets parroting along with the gospel !! It's amazing how things can change in just 1 week !! Hopefully the punters didn't get sucked in by all of the real estate hype Wink
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Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:20am
 
now it's good time to sell ..
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Reply #5 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:41pm
 
Finally, Here Comes the Price Crash…

We’ve told you many times house prices are gonna go south.  If you hadn’t taken notice by now, you never will.  But that’s OK.  We can’t help everyone.

We’ve warned home-owners and home-buyers for the last two years that the Australian housing market was at the tipping point.

We were ridiculed for saying so.

We told you to only buy a house if: you don’t see a home as an investment.  You’re prepared to see zero or negative price growth.  And you’re pretty sure you can keep up repayments when interest rates go up, or when the economy crashes and unemployment soars.

If you fit into any of those categories then sure, go ahead and buy a house.  Just don’t expect to make any money from it.

Remember that you won’t have the same luxury that house buyers had during the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s.  They rode the coattails of the credit expansion boom, where interest costs were more than offset by rapid price growth.

The next ten years will be different: interest costs will outpace price growth.

And soon enough, property speculators and owner-occupiers will realise this.  And that will cause the biggest hit to house prices.  They’ll realise they shouldn’t take out the biggest mortgage possible, because price growth won’t offset the interest costs.

Landlords will realise it too.  For years they’ve taken a loss on the income because they knew house prices would go up.  They could afford to be negatively geared because in the long run it would pay off.

Not anymore.

read the full story at:

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20110301/finally-here-comes-the-price-crash%E2%80%A6.html#more-4761
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Reply #6 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:09pm
 
pansi you playing the doom and gloom game that rusty loves..

he will be beside himself with glee over this new if it turns out to be true.. he hates homeowners,

I remember the last doom and gloom news regarding housing its didnt happen though did it?..

the house prices were inflated by your govents stimulus and you guys know it...gees who in their right mind would knock back $21000 FHB.

now I understand it they are stopping the lot..even the $7000. did you hear that??.. if thats the cse then it will be a turn down in the building of new homes and make what already there worth more surely?
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Reply #7 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:13pm
 
What a load of rubbish!

House prices go (mainly) up and (a little) down all the time.

Now is a great time to buy (supposedly).

In fact I'm off to an auction this Saturday! It will be interesting to see how much $1.5 mil gets you in the current market. I'm hoping to buy a certain property for around $1.3 mil (given the current so called price dip). The house in question SHOULD sell for around 1.5 mil under normal conditions. Let's see what happens. My prediction? I'm still going to have to pay around $1.4 - 1.5 mil (because right now there is a lot of media hype designed to lure potential buyers into an auction environment to stimulate on the spot fast paced competition).

NB For those who don't already know .. my posts regarding real estate only ever refer to the Sydney property market. That is the only real estate market I deal in.
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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:22pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:13pm:
What a load of rubbish!

House prices go (mainly) up and (a little) down all the time.

Now is a great time to buy.

In fact I'm off to an auction this Saturday! It will be interesting to see how much $1.5 mil gets you in the current market. I'm hoping to buy a certain property for around $1.3 mil (given the current so called price dip). My prediction? I'm still going to have to pay around $1.4 - 1.5 mil (because there is a lot of media hype designed to lure potential buyers into an auction environment to stimulate on the spot auction competition)

NB For those who don't already know .. my posts regarding real estate only ever refer to the Sydney property market. That is the only real estate market I deal in.


Please Lisa,
Don't get into huge debt right now.
Consider buying down market a little instead.


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Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:32pm
 
Bobby .. read again what I stated:

Now is a great time to buy (supposedly).

In fact I'm off to an auction this Saturday! It will be interesting to see how much $1.5 mil gets you in the current market. I'm hoping to buy a certain property for around $1.3 mil (given the current so called price dip). The house in question SHOULD sell for around $1.5 mil under normal conditions. Let's see what happens. My prediction? I'm still going to have to pay around $1.4 - $1.5 mil (because right now there is a lot of media hype designed to lure potential buyers into an auction environment to stimulate on the spot fast paced competition).


I'm being cynical (then again .. it will be interesting to see what happens this coming Saturday).

I suspect the said property will be sold on the spot within a fast paced competition environment .. for its true worth (ie $1.5 mil).

But you know me Bobby .. I love a good bargain just in case it comes along lol Smiley

I'll let you know what happens. It will be interesting to see as I said above.
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Reply #10 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:49pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:09pm:
pansi you playing the doom and gloom game that rusty loves..

he will be beside himself with glee over this new if it turns out to be true.. he hates homeowners,

I remember the last doom and gloom news regarding housing its didnt happen though did it?..

the house prices were inflated by your govents stimulus and you guys know it...gees who in their right mind would knock back $21000 FHB.

now I understand it they are stopping the lot..even the $7000. did you hear that??.. if thats the cse then it will be a turn down in the building of new homes and make what already there worth more surely?


you are a complete ignoramus as usual.

tell me who likes to pay more than they should for anything ?? why should property be any different than any other commodity !!
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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:32pm:
Bobby .. read again what I stated:

Now is a great time to buy (supposedly).

In fact I'm off to an auction this Saturday! It will be interesting to see how much $1.5 mil gets you in the current market. I'm hoping to buy a certain property for around $1.3 mil (given the current so called price dip). The house in question SHOULD sell for around $1.5 mil under normal conditions. Let's see what happens. My prediction? I'm still going to have to pay around $1.4 - $1.5 mil (because right now there is a lot of media hype designed to lure potential buyers into an auction environment to stimulate on the spot fast paced competition).


I'm being cynical (then again .. it will be interesting to see what happens this coming Saturday).

I suspect the said property will be sold on the spot within a fast paced competition environment .. for its true worth (ie $1.5 mil).

But you know me Bobby .. I love a good bargain just in case it comes along lol Smiley

I'll let you know what happens. It will be interesting to see as I said above.


according to codsballs if as a consumer you pay to much then you should be really happy about being ripped off but if you get a bargain then you should feel bad about it Smiley LOL
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Reply #12 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:55pm
 
tell me who likes to pay more than they should for anything ?? why should property be any different than any other commodity !!

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Well said. I thought it was all common sense though lol Tongue
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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:32pm:
Bobby .. read again what I stated:

Now is a great time to buy (supposedly).

In fact I'm off to an auction this Saturday! It will be interesting to see how much $1.5 mil gets you in the current market. I'm hoping to buy a certain property for around $1.3 mil (given the current so called price dip). The house in question SHOULD sell for around $1.5 mil under normal conditions. Let's see what happens. My prediction? I'm still going to have to pay around $1.4 - $1.5 mil (because right now there is a lot of media hype designed to lure potential buyers into an auction environment to stimulate on the spot fast paced competition).


I'm being cynical (then again .. it will be interesting to see what happens this coming Saturday).

I suspect the said property will be sold on the spot within a fast paced competition environment .. for its true worth (ie $1.5 mil).

But you know me Bobby .. I love a good bargain just in case it comes along lol Smiley

I'll let you know what happens. It will be interesting to see as I said above.


i forgot to mention that most likely you'll be out bid by a china man that dudd has let into the country Sad
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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:55pm:
tell me who likes to pay more than they should for anything ?? why should property be any different than any other commodity !!

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Well said. I thought it was all common sense though lol Tongue


to most people who have a brain it is common sense but to some others on this board it really must be a struggle for them Wink LOL
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