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Reply #135 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:36pm

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

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Prevailing wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Homo Marriage is anti-social which the public simply do not support and never will. Its political suicide for any politician to vote for it - they will lose their preselection.

Same Sex Marriage is already recognised in Australia and there are some same sex couples already married.

When a person has a sex change within a marriage, the marriage then becomes a same sex marriage. These marriages are recognised in Australian Law. Why are some sex marriages recognised, while others are ignored.

Because when you are allowed to have a sex change and people start calling you Mrs instead or Mr, you are just being humoured, indulged. That's what a tolerant society does. Nobody actually thinks that you have become a woman. You just had you d!ck and balls cut off and they pumped you full of hormones and they let you play act.

Yes they do. Same Sex Marriages already exist in Australia yet Gillard and Abbott claim a marriage is between a man and a women. Gillard and Abbott have been proven wrong.

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Reply #137 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:46pm

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Prevailing wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Homo Marriage is anti-social which the public simply do not support and never will. Its political suicide for any politician to vote for it - they will lose their preselection.

Same Sex Marriage is already recognised in Australia and there are some same sex couples already married.

When a person has a sex change within a marriage, the marriage then becomes a same sex marriage. These marriages are recognised in Australian Law. Why are some sex marriages recognised, while others are ignored.

Because when you are allowed to have a sex change and people start calling you Mrs instead or Mr, you are just being humoured, indulged. That's what a tolerant society does. Nobody actually thinks that you have become a woman. You just had you d!ck and balls cut off and they pumped you full of hormones and they let you play act.

Yes they do. Same Sex Marriages already exist in Australia yet Gillard and Abbott claim a marriage is between a man and a women. Gillard and Abbott have been proven wrong.

Just because a man wears females clothes and has had an operation doesn't make him a woman, and visa versa.
Just the same as if you were born in a stable green, I wouldn't be calling you Mr Ed.
As a matter of interest, how long do you think these 'same sex marriages' of yours last once the partner finds out about the lying and betrayal that has occurred over a long period of time.
And that's before the kids find out.
And the 'claim' that Gillard and Abbott say that marriage is between a man and a woman is no claim.
The Marriage Act makes it the Law green.

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Re: Conscience Vote On Gay Marriage
Reply #138 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

Yet in time Islamic Law could replace Christian Law ... all because Australians wouldn't protect their secular government by removing and protecting from religious laws.

Will you follow muslim law?

SO now it's 'united we mince against sharia'?

Having religious law in a time when soon, Asian heritage Australians will be the biggest group within Australia's population. A section of these being muslim. So it is not a choice of Christian Law, it's Religious Law that could come from anywhere.

Time we reinforce our secular government by enshrining it within our Bill of Rights

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Reply #139 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Prevailing wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Homo Marriage is anti-social which the public simply do not support and never will. Its political suicide for any politician to vote for it - they will lose their preselection.

Same Sex Marriage is already recognised in Australia and there are some same sex couples already married.

When a person has a sex change within a marriage, the marriage then becomes a same sex marriage. These marriages are recognised in Australian Law. Why are some sex marriages recognised, while others are ignored.

Because when you are allowed to have a sex change and people start calling you Mrs instead or Mr, you are just being humoured, indulged. That's what a tolerant society does. Nobody actually thinks that you have become a woman. You just had you d!ck and balls cut off and they pumped you full of hormones and they let you play act.

Yes they do. Same Sex Marriages already exist in Australia yet Gillard and Abbott claim a marriage is between a man and a women. Gillard and Abbott have been proven wrong.

Just because a man wears females clothes and has had an operation doesn't make him a woman, and visa versa.
Just the same as if you were born in a stable green, I wouldn't be calling you Mr Ed.
As a matter of interest, how long do you think these 'same sex marriages' of yours last once the partner finds out about the lying and betrayal that has occurred over a long period of time.
And that's before the kids find out.
And the 'claim' that Gillard and Abbott say that marriage is between a man and a woman is no claim.
The Marriage Act makes it the Law green.

Yet as I have pointed out and you chose to glaze over, there are marriages where one of have had a sex change. A Sex Change recognised by law. This means it is a same sex marriage.

Already existing In Australia ... No outcry, no collapse of civilization.

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Reply #140 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:55pm

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:48pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

Yet in time Islamic Law could replace Christian Law ... all because Australians wouldn't protect their secular government by removing and protecting from religious laws.

Will you follow muslim law?

SO now it's 'united we mince against sharia'?

Having religious law in a time when soon, Asian heritage Australians will be the biggest group within Australia's population. A section of these being muslim. So it is not a choice of Christian Law, it's Religious Law that could come from anywhere.

Time we reinforce our secular government by enshrining it within our Bill of Rights

No enlightened secular society can function on a rational or economic basis indulging Homosexual delusions. Roll Eyes

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Re: Conscience Vote On Gay Marriage
Reply #141 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Prevailing wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Homo Marriage is anti-social which the public simply do not support and never will. Its political suicide for any politician to vote for it - they will lose their preselection.

Same Sex Marriage is already recognised in Australia and there are some same sex couples already married.

When a person has a sex change within a marriage, the marriage then becomes a same sex marriage. These marriages are recognised in Australian Law. Why are some sex marriages recognised, while others are ignored.

Because when you are allowed to have a sex change and people start calling you Mrs instead or Mr, you are just being humoured, indulged. That's what a tolerant society does. Nobody actually thinks that you have become a woman. You just had you d!ck and balls cut off and they pumped you full of hormones and they let you play act.

Yes they do. Same Sex Marriages already exist in Australia yet Gillard and Abbott claim a marriage is between a man and a women. Gillard and Abbott have been proven wrong.

Just because a man wears females clothes and has had an operation doesn't make him a woman, and visa versa.
Just the same as if you were born in a stable green, I wouldn't be calling you Mr Ed.
As a matter of interest, how long do you think these 'same sex marriages' of yours last once the partner finds out about the lying and betrayal that has occurred over a long period of time.
And that's before the kids find out.
And the 'claim' that Gillard and Abbott say that marriage is between a man and a woman is no claim.
The Marriage Act makes it the Law green.

Yet as I have pointed out and you chose to glaze over, there are marriages where one of have had a sex change. A Sex Change recognised by law. This means it is a same sex marriage.

Already existing In Australia ... No outcry, no collapse of civilization.

I thought that was what I was responding too.
Anyway, I wouldn't expect the two or three sex change marriages to cause any outcry or collapse of civilisation.

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Re: Conscience Vote On Gay Marriage
Reply #142 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:36pm

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Prevailing wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Homo Marriage is anti-social which the public simply do not support and never will. Its political suicide for any politician to vote for it - they will lose their preselection.

Same Sex Marriage is already recognised in Australia and there are some same sex couples already married.

When a person has a sex change within a marriage, the marriage then becomes a same sex marriage. These marriages are recognised in Australian Law. Why are some sex marriages recognised, while others are ignored.

Because when you are allowed to have a sex change and people start calling you Mrs instead or Mr, you are just being humoured, indulged. That's what a tolerant society does. Nobody actually thinks that you have become a woman. You just had you d!ck and balls cut off and they pumped you full of hormones and they let you play act.

Yes they do. Same Sex Marriages already exist in Australia yet Gillard and Abbott claim a marriage is between a man and a women. Gillard and Abbott have been proven wrong.

Changing someones anotomy doesnt not make them the opposite sex.

You cant change chromosomes Woody, so your argument is null and void.

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Re: Conscience Vote On Gay Marriage
Reply #143 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:42pm

Verge wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:36pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Prevailing wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Homo Marriage is anti-social which the public simply do not support and never will. Its political suicide for any politician to vote for it - they will lose their preselection.

Same Sex Marriage is already recognised in Australia and there are some same sex couples already married.

When a person has a sex change within a marriage, the marriage then becomes a same sex marriage. These marriages are recognised in Australian Law. Why are some sex marriages recognised, while others are ignored.

Because when you are allowed to have a sex change and people start calling you Mrs instead or Mr, you are just being humoured, indulged. That's what a tolerant society does. Nobody actually thinks that you have become a woman. You just had you d!ck and balls cut off and they pumped you full of hormones and they let you play act.

Yes they do. Same Sex Marriages already exist in Australia yet Gillard and Abbott claim a marriage is between a man and a women. Gillard and Abbott have been proven wrong.

Changing someones anotomy doesnt not make them the opposite sex.

You cant change chromosomes Woody, so your argument is null and void.

Correct.
It's not a woman. It's just a bloke who has cut his balls off.

I personally don't get gay people I never have, I don't know why a fella would want to dress as a woman and start knocking off other fellas - but thats me personally.

If that's their go then fine.

They just cannot get married. That's all.

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Reply #144 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 4:11pm

Interesting find here Woody.

Same-sex commitment ceremony
Subsection 5(1) of the Marriage Act 1961 defines marriage as ‘...the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.’ Accordingly, it is not possible for same-sex couples to marry under Australian law and same-sex marriages entered into under the laws of another country are also not recognised in Australia.

It is not illegal to conduct a commitment ceremony for same-sex couples, though, provided that ceremony does not purport to be a legal marriage.

Change of gender
In his decision in the case of Re Kevin, Chisholm J of the Family Court decided that a post-operative transsexual female to male person is a ‘man’ for the purposes of the Marriage Act and was able to enter into a valid marriage with a woman. On 21 February 2003, the Full Court of the Family Court upheld the original decision.

The decision of the Full Family Court to uphold the original decision does not affect the definition of marriage in Australia as ‘...the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others voluntarily entered into for life’. The parties to a valid marriage must be a man and a woman. The issue in this case was the status to be assigned to ‘Kevin’ who had undergone sexual reassignment surgery and who had been issued with a new birth certificate reflecting his gender as a male. The decision is only applicable to post-operative transsexuals.

This decision means that a person who has undergone gender re-assignment surgery can marry as their reassigned gender as long as they fall within the parameters set down in the decision in Re Kevin.

Seems like your ones that change sex are no longer in a valid marriage if it becomes MM or FF. Also, if they change sex to make it MF then they can legally marry.

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Reply #145 - Mar 5^th, 2011 at 8:56pm

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:48pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

Yet in time Islamic Law could replace Christian Law ... all because Australians wouldn't protect their secular government by removing and protecting from religious laws.

Will you follow muslim law?

SO now it's 'united we mince against sharia'?

Having religious law in a time when soon, Asian heritage Australians will be the biggest group within Australia's population. A section of these being muslim. So it is not a choice of Christian Law, it's Religious Law that could come from anywhere.

Time we reinforce our secular government by enshrining it within our Bill of Rights

Well, all I can say is, get it through parliament before the 'Asians' get to be in charge because if their current form elsehwere is any guide, you'll be submerged in sh1t with a bag full ofr sh1t on your head for sashaying down the street like you do now. And that's if you are lucky.
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