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Reply #210 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:45pm
 
That cry from you, Wesley, is a little precious. There's over-the-top commentary from the right. However, we don't ever see you condemning it or stating that its excessive but you're quick to condemn anything that comes from a direction that you're averse to regardless of any merit.  In fact, you'd rather censor any opposition. However, please note, you have gone down as saying two things:

1. "You gotta take the good with the bad"

2. "It's all a matter of interpretation"

All's fair , eh? So don't whine.

Now, Coral, is hiding a lot within jargon and euphemism. He's trying to sound as if he has the "real truth" but it's suppressed. This is the stuff of conspiracy theorists. I very much doubt that you have the real truth.

In as far as we're rolling off lines, I'd say that the evidence, so far, weighs predominantly in favour of human beings being mostly the same and the variation is minor and not anywhere near enough separate people into clear and distinct "types".




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Reply #211 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:50pm
 
Axle wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:45pm:
That cry from you, Wesley, is a little precious. There's over-the-top commentary from the right. However, we don't ever see you condemning it or stating that its excessive but you're quick to condemn anything that comes from a direction that you're averse to regardless of any merit.  In fact, you'd rather censor any opposition. However, please note, you have gone down as saying two things:

1. "You gotta take the good with the bad"

2. "It's all a matter of interpretation"

All's fair , eh? So don't whine.

Now, Coral, is hiding a lot within jargon and euphemism. He's trying to sound as if he has the "real truth" but it's suppressed. This is the stuff of conspiracy theorists. I very much doubt that you have the real truth.

In as far as we're rolling off lines, I'd say that the evidence, so far, weighs predominantly in favour of human beings being mostly the same and the variation is minor and not anywhere near enough separate people into clear and distinct "types".







I thought about addressing each 'point' indivudally, but I soon realised I could address them all at once, with one simple statement:

WHAT A LOAD OF IRRELEVANT HORSESHIT.


But nothing has to make sense, or even be pertinent in any way, so long as you remember the golden rule:  'RACISM IS BAD MMMMKAY'
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Reply #212 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:00pm
 
... wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:50pm:
Axle wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:45pm:
That cry from you, Wesley, is a little precious. There's over-the-top commentary from the right. However, we don't ever see you condemning it or stating that its excessive but you're quick to condemn anything that comes from a direction that you're averse to regardless of any merit.  In fact, you'd rather censor any opposition. However, please note, you have gone down as saying two things:

1. "You gotta take the good with the bad"

2. "It's all a matter of interpretation"

All's fair , eh? So don't whine.

Now, Coral, is hiding a lot within jargon and euphemism. He's trying to sound as if he has the "real truth" but it's suppressed. This is the stuff of conspiracy theorists. I very much doubt that you have the real truth.

In as far as we're rolling off lines, I'd say that the evidence, so far, weighs predominantly in favour of human beings being mostly the same and the variation is minor and not anywhere near enough separate people into clear and distinct "types".







I thought about addressing each 'point' indivudally, but I soon realised I could address them all at once, with one simple statement:

WHAT A LOAD OF IRRELEVANT HORSESHIT.


But nothing has to make sense, or even be pertinent in any way, so long as you remember the golden rule:  'RACISM IS BAD MMMMKAY'


Just because you say so, doesn't make it so. That's your usual line for things you don't want to hear, nothing new. I'd say by way of observation you mostly respond with irrelevant rhetorical questions. The case in point was your direct response after I said racism should be resisted.
You answered by asking whether the world has got any better and open to iinterpretation.

What's right with racism?  It stereotypes, it deprives people of rights, subjects them to abuse, and often results in vioence.

The golden rule as you call it sounds pretty good to me. Racism sucks.

And I'm free to say so and I think it's ethical to say so. If you don't like it, tough.
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Reply #213 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:02pm
 
Why are racists forever whinging?

- Me

Because those who vilify them cannot answer a straight question?

- Wesley


So now you're crying because you think anti racists are vilifying racists?

Just when I thought I'd seen it all lmao Smiley

Wesley .. thanks to free speech anti racism is able to voice its condemnation of racism.


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Reply #214 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
wellll if this thread is to go anywhere, first thing that needs to happen is racism needs to be defined.

I argue from the point that EXTREME racism is bad, on that we agree.
But I also believe that EVERYONE, even you, is 'racist' to some extent.

So like all things, Racism is OK, but only in moderation.
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Reply #215 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:06pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:02pm:
Why are racists forever whinging?

- Me

Because those who vilify them cannot answer a straight question?

- Wesley


So now you're crying because you think anti racists are vilifying racists?

Just when I thought I'd seen it all lmao Smiley





nothings quite so 'black and white' as you'd hope for eh?

But let's face it - 'racists' as poorly defined as that is, are the new 'enemy'.  Every society has the ubiquitous enemy...rome had it's barbarians, the US had its 'commies' and now in 21st century australia, our enemy is 'racists'.  Facts are irrelevant in this all consuming desire for the playing out of the timeless 'us vs them' scenario.

I'm sure it's been pointed out many a time before that the most rabid PC types, are guilty of what they profess to hate most. 

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Reply #216 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:09pm
 
I argue from the point that EXTREME racism is bad

- Wesley



Ahh .. a breakthrough! You're slowly getting there ...

Let me explain it another way .. being racist is kinda like being pregnant ie you are either pregnant or you're not.



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Reply #217 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:13pm
 
nothings quite so 'black and white' as you'd hope for eh?

- Wesley


Refer to my previous post.

It is when it comes to racism.
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Reply #218 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:13pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:09pm:
I argue from the point that EXTREME racism is bad

- Wesley



You're slowly getting there ...

Let me explain it another way .. being racist is kinda like being pregnant ie you are either pregnant or you're not.






Nar, I disagree.
That's like saying 'you either don't drink, or you're an alcoholic'.

there's a Biiiiig difference between seeing a bunch of abos hanging out at a train station and giving them a wide berth, and plotting a master plan to eradicate the aboriginal race from the face of the earth.  One is rational and sensible, the other goes waaaay too far....shades of grey...I'm sure I made an observation earlier that there were no 'shades of grey' where this witch hunt is concerned.
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Reply #219 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:15pm
 
... wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:
wellll if this thread is to go anywhere, first thing that needs to happen is racism needs to be defined.

I argue from the point that EXTREME racism is bad, on that we agree.
But I also believe that EVERYONE, even you, is 'racist' to some extent.

So like all things, Racism is OK, but only in moderation.


Believing that something is true of some doesn't mean it's true of everyone. I have never been racist, nor have I thought along racist lines. When I encounter anyone, I take them on their individual merit.

Interestingly, though, I did come across an article in one of the online science mags and as it so happens a study showed that about 1/3 of the population doesn't have that groupy outlook and the researchers think it's genetic. However, with that groupy outlook, as I've stated before, who's in and who's out has been shown to change with time and place.
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Reply #220 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:18pm
 
Axle wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:15pm:
... wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:
wellll if this thread is to go anywhere, first thing that needs to happen is racism needs to be defined.

I argue from the point that EXTREME racism is bad, on that we agree.
But I also believe that EVERYONE, even you, is 'racist' to some extent.

So like all things, Racism is OK, but only in moderation.


Believing that something is true of some doesn't mean it's true of everyone. I have never been racist, nor have I thought along racist lines. When I encounter anyone, I take them on their individual merit.

Interestingly, though, I did come across an article in one of the online science mags and as it so happens a study showed that about 1/3 of the population doesn't have that groupy outlook and they think its genetic. However, with that groupy outlook, as I've stated before, who's in and who's out has been shown to change with time and place.



Ahhh but I too give the individual the benefit of the doubt.  But when they prove themselves to fit the stereotype, how does one ignore that? 
Stereotyping is not evil, it is a useful tool for making sense of the world.   The problem arises when you allow the steroetype to be your ONLY judge.
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Reply #221 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:21pm
 
Ahhh but I too give the individual the benefit of the doubt.  But when they prove themselves to fit the stereotype, how does one ignore that?  
Stereotyping is not evil, it is a useful tool for making sense of the world.   The problem arises when you allow the stereotype to be your ONLY judge.

- Wesley


Do you understand what the process and concept of stereotyping is all about?

I'm only asking because you've just made the admission that you use stereotype as a useful tool in order to make sense of your world.

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Reply #222 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:22pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:21pm:
Ahhh but I too give the individual the benefit of the doubt.  But when they prove themselves to fit the stereotype, how does one ignore that?  
Stereotyping is not evil, it is a useful tool for making sense of the world.   The problem arises when you allow the steroetype to be your ONLY judge.

- Wesley


Do you understand what the process and concept of stereotyping is all about?


I think so.  Why do you ask?
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Reply #223 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:28pm
 
You state that you use stereotype as a useful tool in order to make sense of your world.

If this is the case .. then your interpretative tool is in fact misinterpreting the information you're receiving.

How? Stereotyping as an interpretative tool will only allow you to receive and understand part of the message.
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Reply #224 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:32pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:28pm:
You state that you use stereotype as a useful tool in order to make sense of your world.

If this is the case .. then your interpretative tool is in fact misinterpreting the information you're receiving from the world.



Do YOU understand stereotyping?

It's not always right, never said it was, but it does help.

Say...wild animals.  Not every wild animal will kill you, but you learn to treat all wild animals with caution.  Same theory....and I'm sure I don't need to point out how useful this was to mans development, and rise to top of the food chain.

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