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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 11:52am
 
Abu - why should I do what you want but you won't do what I want?

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I think that was a Christian American invention


Bobby.
That wasn't terrorism Abu - don't try & re-write history.
That guy wanted insurance money for his family.


You never responded to me when I proved that you re-wrote history.

Anyway - whenever I see a doco with those Jet Airliners blown up in the desert
in  September 1970 I always see a photo of Yassar Arafat with a big frame around his image.
It's only you who has ever blamed Christians for it.
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Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 12:03pm
 
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Abu - why should I do what you want but you won't do what I want?


I've answered plenty of your questions here, just haven't gotten to that one yet, since it was in the post just prior to mine exposing your nonsense about the PFLP.

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You never responded to me when I proved that you re-wrote history.


I did not re-write anything, and you certainly didn't prove anything. You defined terrorism as plane hijacking, and that guy hijacked a plane and attempted to fly it into a civilian building. His motive was revenge against the company because it was about to fire him, not the insurance nonsense you concocted.

Regardless, his act was an act of terrorism, by your own definition. Nothing re-written, nothing proved, except the fact that you can't debate to save yourself.

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Anyway - whenever I see a doco with those Jet Airliners blown up in the desert
in  September 1970 I always see a photo of Yassar Arafat with a big frame around his image.


That's nice, but what on earth has it got to do with your idiotic assertions that Islamists did it???

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It's only you who has ever blamed Christians for it.


My God, you're stupid. Where on earth did I blame Christians for it??? I stated the facts, it was carried out by Marxists. I merely highlighted that if we were to follow your half witted ideas that the religious background of the family of the individual was relevant, then the PFLP would be a Christian organisation, since its founder was George Habash, a Palestinian of Christian background.
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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 12:14pm
 
Abu.
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You defined terrorism as plane hijacking

No I didn't but I did mention flying planes into skyscrapers -
do you remember 9/11 ?

Abu.
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That's nice, but what on earth has it got to do with your idiotic assertions that Islamists did it???

Wasn't Yassar Arafat a Muslim? - ahhh sorry - you're right - he was a Christian.

Also George Habash was just another religious nutcase in the Middle East
with plenty of Muslim friends.
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Reply #18 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 1:01pm
 
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No I didn't but I did...


"By modern terrorism I meant - involving aeroplanes." --bobbythebat

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Wasn't Yassar Arafat a Muslim?


Even if he's a Muslim by birth (certainly not by practise) what on earth has it got to do with your idiotic claim that Islamists carried out an attack that was clearly and openly the work of Marxists? How thick can one person get?

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Also George Habash was just another religious nutcase in the Middle East


No he wasn't, he was a a Marxist, religion never had anything to do with his ideology and his struggle. Honestly I've never debated with anyone on here who's so far beyond the grasp of simple logical thought, except perhaps Grendel. And that's saying something.


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with plenty of Muslim friends.


Well if he had Muslim friends that settles it then, Islamists must've carried it out.
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Reply #19 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 3:52pm
 
Abu.
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Even if he's a Muslim by birth (certainly not by practise) what on earth has it got to do with your idiotic claim that Islamists carried out an attack that was clearly and openly the work of Marxists?

I think Yassar Arafat hid behind a lot of PLO splinter groups so he could say -
I didn't do it.
This is just like Sinn Fein in Ireland - the Political wing of the IRA.
Of course only a fool would believe it.

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No he wasn't, he was a a Marxist, religion never had anything to do with his ideology and his struggle.

Anyone who says that religion has nothing to do with terrorism in
the Middle East has no understanding of the situation there.

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Well if he had Muslim friends that settles it then, Islamists must've carried it out.

I am glad we agree on that.
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Reply #20 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 4:02pm
 
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I think Yassar Arafat hid behind a lot of PLO splinter groups so he could say -
I didn't do it.


You're really a patience-tester are't you. Since Arafat was not an Islamist, what relevance does that folly have to do with the argument???

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Anyone who says that religion has nothing to do with terrorism in
the Middle East has no understanding of the situation there.


You seem to have your time periods mixed up. Since the 1980's onwards, yes, religion (specifically Islam) has had a lot to do with the struggles in the Middle East. In the 1970's, and in the specific incident you mentioned, no it didn't. They were leftist marxist secularists, their ideology was far closer to yours than mine.

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I am glad we agree on that.


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Reply #21 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 4:22pm
 
Abu's advice on this forum.
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Keep it friendly. This is supposed to be a place for enlightened discussion, there's really no need for any nastyness, no matter how passionate we are about our respective views.


Abu's language directed at me so far on this one thread of only 2 pages:

Simpleton.
patience-tester
How thick can one person get?
your idiotic assertions
respond to the absolute crap you posted
what kind of simpleton garbage is this
then you're a git


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Reply #22 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 5:09pm
 
This is the man who Abu paints as an angel:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=795&x_context=7
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Yasir Arafat is known to many as the “father of modern terrorism.” Below is a timeline of some of the key events of his life and terrorist acts with which he was associated. (Prepared by www.camera.org)

Key Events in Yasir Arafat's Terrorist Career

– Aug 4, 1929: Born in Cairo. Arafat, then named Muhammad Abdel Rahman Abdel Rauf al-Qudwa al-Husseini, is fifth child of prosperous merchant, Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini.

– 1933: Arafat's mother dies. He and his infant brother are sent to live with uncle in Jerusalem.

– Late 1950's: Arafat co-founds Fatah, the “Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine.”

– Jan. 1, 1965: Fatah fails in its first attempted attack within Israel — the bombing of the National Water Carrier.

– July 5, 1965: A Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

– 1965-1967: Numerous Fatah bomb attacks target Israeli villages, water pipes, railroads. Homes are destroyed and Israelis are killed.

– July 1968: Fatah joins and becomes the dominant member of the PLO, an umbrella organization of Palestinian terrorist groups.

– Feb. 4, 1969: Arafat is appointed Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO

– Feb. 21, 1970: SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, is bombed in mid-flight by PFLP, a PLO member group. 47 people are killed.

– May 8, 1970: PLO terrorists attack an Israeli schoolbus with bazooka fire, killing nine pupils and three teachers from Moshav Avivim

– Sept. 6, 1970: TWA, Pan-Am, and BOAC airplanes are hijacked by PLO terrorists.

– September 1970: Jordanian forces battle the PLO terrorist organization, driving its members out of Jordan after the group's violent activity threatens to destabilize the kingdom. The terrorists flee to Lebanon. This period in PLO history is called “Black September.”

– May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people.

– Sept. 5, 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves “Black September,”said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command.

– March 1, 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans, including United States ambassador to Sudan Cleo Noel, and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders.

– April 11, 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona.

– May 15, 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed.

– June 9, 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts “Phased Plan,” which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a “just and lasting peace” and the “right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

– November 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed.

– Nov. 13, 1974: Arafat, wearing a holster (he had to leave his gun at the entrance), addresses the U.N. General Assembly.

– March 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed.

– March 1978: Coastal Road Massacre —Fatah terrorists take over a bus on the Haifa-Tel Aviv highway and kill 21 Israelis.

– 1982: Having created a terrorist mini-state in Lebanon destabilizing that nation, PLO is expelled as a result of Israel's response to incessant PLO missile attacks against northern Israeli communities. Arafat relocates to Tunis.

– Oct. 7, 1985: Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro is hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Intelligence reports note that instructions originated from Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.

– Dec. 12, 1988: Arafat claims to accept Israel's right to exist.

– September 1993: Arafat shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, inaugurating the Oslo Accords. Arafat pledges to stop incitement and terror, and to foster co-existence with Israel, but fails to comply. Throughout the years of negotiations, aside from passing, token efforts, Arafat does nothing to stop Hamas, PFLP, and Islamic Jihad from carrying out thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. With Arafat's encouragement and financial support, groups directly under Arafat's command, such as the Tanzim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, also carry out terror attacks.



& the timeline goes on & on if you click the link at the top.
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Reply #23 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 6:04pm
 
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This is the man who Abu paints as an angel:


I've painted him as an angel? Care to point out where?

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Abu's language directed at me so far on this one thread of only 2 pages:


Deriding people for not having the basic intelligence to recognise what they're debating about is permissible in the Islam forum. Perhaps I should add that as a note. Idiocy is not excused in any way.
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Reply #24 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 6:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2011 at 4:22pm:
Abu's advice on this forum.
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Keep it friendly. This is supposed to be a place for enlightened discussion, there's really no need for any nastyness, no matter how passionate we are about our respective views.


Abu's language directed at me so far on this one thread of only 2 pages:

Simpleton.
patience-tester
How thick can one person get?
your idiotic assertions
respond to the absolute crap you posted
what kind of simpleton garbage is this
then you're a git


Grin


Bobby

Clearly (and unfortunately) Abu has breached his very own forum guidelines.

The good news is that the Mods of other forums are nothing like this.

If anything .. they go to great lengths to enforce their guidelines without fear or favour.

Kind regards

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Reply #25 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 7:47pm
 
Abu does seem to set much higher standards for other people than he does for himself. I guess you can afford to do that when Allah is on your side.
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Reply #26 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 8:07pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20th, 2011 at 6:04pm:
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This is the man who Abu paints as an angel:


I've painted him as an angel? Care to point out where?

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Abu's language directed at me so far on this one thread of only 2 pages:


Deriding people for not having the basic intelligence to recognise what they're debating about is permissible in the Islam forum. Perhaps I should add that as a note. Idiocy is not excused in any way.



Abu,
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I've painted him as an angel? Care to point out where?

Well admit that Yassar Arafat was the father of modern terrorism
& that he was an Islamic extremist.
Not the mealy mouthed reply you gave below which admonishes Arafat of all responsibility.
Ok - angel -  a bit of hyperbole but it gets the point across.
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Where on earth did I blame Christians for it??? I stated the facts, it was carried out by Marxists. I merely highlighted that if we were to follow your half witted ideas that the religious background of the family of the individual was relevant, then the PFLP would be a Christian organisation, since its founder was George Habash, a Palestinian of Christian background.



On the point of you breaking your own politeness rules.
There are 2 posts above agreeing with me.

Stick that in ya pipe & smoke it Abu.  Smiley
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Reply #27 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 8:34pm
 
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Well admit that Yassar Arafat was the father of modern terrorism


He was a nationalist freedom fighter, wouldn't say terrorist. I certainly don't think he was an angel though, filthy  sell-out swine is more the term I'd use.

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& that he was an Islamic extremist.


You'd have to have your cranium firmly planted in your rectum to think he was Islamic in any sense of the word.

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Not the mealy mouthed reply you gave below which admonishes Arafat of all responsibility.


The fact is the act you mentioned was carried out by the PFLP. Just admit you got it wrong, and move on.

The fact some sources state the PLO did it is just an issue of their lack of accuracy, yes a group _from_ the PLO did commit the act, and they're called the PFLP. Why is it so hard to just admit you fudged it?
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Reply #28 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 9:03pm
 
Abu,
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He was a nationalist freedom fighter, wouldn't say terrorist. I certainly don't think he was an angel though, filthy  sell-out swine is more the term I'd use.


When I google the two phrases in one sentence
" Yasser Arafat"    " father of modern terrorism "
I get 12,800 hits.
This is another example of you - Abu, re-writing history.

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You'd have to have your cranium firmly planted in your rectum to think he was Islamic in any sense of the word.

I thought he prayed in the direction of Mecca & yelled out Allah Akbar every day.
That makes him a muslim in my book.
This is a further example of you - Abu, re-writing history.
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Reply #29 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 9:33pm
 
He and his party are secular. Their ideology is socialism, and has nothing to do with Islam. I thought he prayed in the direction of Washington, not Makkah.
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