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Whats holding up our flood relief?
Feb 18^th, 2011 at 6:33pm

JULIA Gillard's reliance on the Australian Greens to maintain her minority government has forced her to dump $364 million in proposed spending cuts designed to free up money to repair Queensland flood damage.

Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes.

And today, like the Greens who received a wind back to cuts to the solar flagship program and the national rental affordability scheme in exchange for their votes Mr Wilkie got concessions from Labor in return for his vote also.

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''I am pleased to announced I have negotiated for $50 million of that $88 million [for the Australian Learning and Teaching Fund] to be restored, which is the full amount of its current projects grant program,''

he said.

Independent Bob Katter, West Australian National Tony Crook and Family First Senator Steve Fielding have previously announced they will support the levy, will there even be anything left to relieve flood victims with?

The Coalition opposes it.

...Sees this politically opportunistic scheme/unnecessary tax for what it is, when we know, the flood tax wasn't required to begin with (refer to Obama and royal family secret flood appeal donations), though to pass it, Gillard has bought votes/friends again, greasing the well oiled palms of her needy co-independents and Green alliance.

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'It is now just up to Senator Xenophon to decide if he supports the levy. I would encourage him to do that. ... We just need to get on now and do the rebuilding,'' Mr Wilkie said.

I wonder what he will want for his signature?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-votes-on-flood-levy-cost...

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/wilkie-backs-floo...

So, just keep-dry until they have finished sorting the loot, and they will start rebuilding your communities shortly.

You may think of it as camping in tents, just for a very very long time.

Hint: They already have more than enough to start building, just it's first things first.

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Reply #1 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 6:45pm

so much for shoulder to the wheel everyone must contribute to this disaster is it only the left that give a sh!t about what these people are going though.. what else was it.. something about the hard right..lol..

no the only ones to contribute will be those earning over $50k..

and booby has proved his worth along with Wilke that blackmail is the way to go.. and get huge pats on the back..

the we only sell out vote party arty

you see we really dont give a stuff about Qld or Vic or Darwin..its all about our votes..and thats what comes first..

what a country!!

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Reply #2 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 7:03pm

cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 6:45pm:

so much for shoulder to the wheel everyone must contribute to this disaster is it only the left that give a sh!t about what these people are going though.. what else was it.. something about the hard right..lol..

no the only ones to contribute will be those earning over $50k..

and booby has proved his worth along with Wilke that blackmail is the way to go.. and get huge pats on the back..

the we only sell out vote party arty

you see we really dont give a stuff about Qld or Vic or Darwin..its all about our votes..and thats what comes first..

what a country!!

Yep, and so the palm greasing exercise will extend right up to the next federal election, if Gillard plays her cards right, and delivers in conditional instalments, ensuring key-independents and cross bencher's don't cut their noses off to spite their faces aka cross the floor (oust Gillard) before next federal election.

She knows how to play her cards...

She'll be shot to pieces at the next federal election, but unfortunately, the odds of her staying in power until then are increasing by the day it seems.

Winners are grinners!

And I think she'd have a grin from ear to ear right about now....pending the greed of the remaining vultures who plan to sell their votes also.

Oh, and about those flood victims... be patient, the priority creditors must come first, and what's left over, they may decided to trickle it amongst the rest.

Those in marginal electorates, will be relieved first, those in secure labor seats will just have to suck eggs...and wait for their chosen government to get round to them last.

This levy, has just paid for her pre-electoral sweeteners and secured indies who may have otherwise thought about crossing the floor before next federal election.

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Reply #3 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 7:23pm

Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes.

So this is just your thinking?

Meanwhile why didn't Abbott give the flood levy the tick without any strings?

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Reply #4 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:49pm

____ wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 7:23pm:

Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes.

So this is just your thinking?

Meanwhile why didn't Abbott give the flood levy the tick without any strings?

He's was too busy trying to work out where the fat in the budget was, and since the he's been busy trying to manipulate forward estimates so it looks like he's saving money whereas in fact he is increasing expenditure.

"I will cut $500M to fund Indonesian schools, which is spread out over 4 years. However, I am still committed to increasing foreign aid by 0.5% of GDP by 2015, meaning that $500M will have to flow back in within the next 4 years."

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Reply #5 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58pm

Abbott boycotted the flood tax levy based on principle, he knew it was an unnecessary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes?

That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort.

It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will" however misguided and staged some of us know this to be.

I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops.

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Reply #6 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:01pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58pm:

Abbott boycotted based on principle, he knew it was an unessesary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes?

That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort.

It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will" however misguided and staged some of us know this to be.

I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops.

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Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Care to comment on Abbott's planned budget cuts to the so easy to find fat, that ended up in deferring spending that will come back into the future estimates and result in over-spending? No? Nothing to say? Ok, continue your normal blubbering.

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Reply #7 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:06pm

It all comes out in the wash....including the generous donations made by the royal family and President Obama to the flood appeal.

Even Oprah and the Gates donated.

Have they disclosed this? No...and why not?

Ok, people have a right to donate privately, but there's no harm adding the sum to the public register as having come from an anonymous donor.

Never assume everyone is as stupid as you look. OK

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Reply #8 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:08pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:06pm:

It all comes out in the wash....including the generous donations made by the royal family and President Obama to the flood appeal.

Even Oprah and the Gates donated.

Have they disclosed this? No...and why not?

Ok, people have a right to donate privately, but there's no harm adding the sum to the public register as having come from an anonymous donor.

Never assume everyone is as stupid as you look. OK

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That doesn't really answer the question about Abbott's proposed cuts. Do you deny that the deferments will result in added expenditure in forward estimates?

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Reply #10 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:11pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:09pm:

Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan.

Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down.

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You don't think it's a contradiction by Abbott to say he is cutting spending, when in actual fact if he was in government and his plan was used he'd be increasing spending?

Or was that comment just an attempt to try and avoid being able to actually answer something for once, and just continue with the same nauseating dribble about nothing?

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Reply #11 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:16pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58pm:

Abbott boycotted the flood tax levy based on principle, he knew it was an unnecessary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes?

That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort.

It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will" however misguided and staged some of us know this to be.

I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops.

Roll Eyes

Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Jeewiz alevine...you must be twitching by now...wondering why I know what I do.

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Reply #12 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:17pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58pm:

Abbott boycotted the flood tax levy based on principle, he knew it was an unnecessary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes?

That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort.

It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will" however misguided and staged some of us know this to be.

I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops.

Roll Eyes

Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Jeewiz alevine...you must be twitching by now...wondering why I know what I do.

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Once again, doesn't really answer the question, now does it?

Poor mellie Sad

It must be hard being in your shoes Sad

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Reply #13 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:28pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:09pm:

Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan.

Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down.

Cool

You don't think it's a contradiction by Abbott to say he is cutting spending, when in actual fact if he was in government and his plan was used he'd be increasing spending?

Or was that comment just an attempt to try and avoid being able to actually answer something for once, and just continue with the same nauseating dribble about nothing?

You have no idea what he would have done, and or what he had planned, because he, isn't stupid enough to show his hand only for the faceless men Inc to come in and steal his glory, policies, once again like they have in the past.

They chose her because she's a dumb stooge, lacks a genetic duty of care to do the right thing by our country, (no kids futures to worry about)..this and doesn't even appear to have a conscience. She's a sociopath, an opportunist, and has to pay people to associate with her, and even then, they only do this because they have a vested interest in hers and others agenda.

She wasn't installed based on political merit, even her resume is appalling.

If she failed as a minister then what on earth made you think she would be who is calling the shots and running our country?

Newsflash : Gillards the messenger, that's all...this and the most cultivated loyalist to the regime in charge of our country right now.

That's why she was chosen...she could be relied upon to shut her mouth and keep her head up without so much as a pang of guilt with respects to what's she's enabling others do to our country right now.

She will move overseas as soon as she's toppled.

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Reply #14 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:35pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:09pm:

Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan.

Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down.

Cool

You don't think it's a contradiction by Abbott to say he is cutting spending, when in actual fact if he was in government and his plan was used he'd be increasing spending?

Or was that comment just an attempt to try and avoid being able to actually answer something for once, and just continue with the same nauseating dribble about nothing?

You have no idea what he would have done, and or what he had planned, because he, isn't stupid enough to show his hand only for the faceless men Inc to come in and steal his glory, policies, once again like they have in the past.

They chose her because she's a dumb stooge, lacks a genetic duty of care to do the right thing by our country, (no kids futures to worry about)..this and doesn't even appear to have a conscience. She's a sociopath, an opportunist, and has to pay people to associate with her, and even then, they only do this because they have a vested interest in hers and others agenda.

She wasn't installed based on political merit, even her resume is appalling.

If she failed as a minister then what on earth made you think she would be who is calling the shots and running our country?

Newsflash : Gillards the messenger, that's all...this and the most cultivated loyalist to the regime in charge of our country right now.

That's why she was chosen...she could be relied upon to shut her mouth and keep her head up without so much as a pang of guilt with respects to what's she's enabling others do to our country right now.

She will move overseas as soon as she's toppled.

Cool

Still doesn't answer the question, does it?

We know exactly what he would've done:
http://liberal.org.au/Pages/~/media/Files/110208%20Savings%20and%20Deferral%20Measures.ashx

Care to comment on whether the deferred cuts will be brought back into forward estimates? Especially if Abbott is committed to increasing foreign aid by 0.5% of GDP by 2015?

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