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Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:29am
 
In the first major paper of its kind, a new study in the February 17 Nature has found that heavy precipitation is at least partly due to the growing concentration of manmade greenhouse gas emissions in the atmosphere. A team of scientists from Canada and Scotland used powerful computers to analyze the causes behind the rise in storms and heavy snowfall over the past half century. They found that the likelihood of extreme precipitation on any given day rose by 7% between 1951 and 1999—the years covered by the study. That's outside the bounds of normal variability, and the increase only make sense if rising greenhouse gas emissions and climate change are taken into effect. "Human influence on the climate system has the effect of intensifying precipitation extremes," said Francis Zwiers, a climate researcher at Environment Canada in Toronto and the study's lead researcher.

That conclusion shouldn't be that surprising—climatologists have predicted an uptick in extreme weather events as greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere increase. Since warmer air can carry more water vapor, a warmer planet should see heavier rain and other precepitation—and that's what we've begun to see with actual weather. As an accompanying article to the Nature studies points out, for every 1 C in warming near the Earth's surface, scientists expect a 2-3% increase in total global precipitation.

But it's not global precipitation patterns that should really worry us—it's local rainfall, either too much or too little. We need scientists to be able to tell us whether a certain flood or a certain drought actually can be tied to global warming. And in another study published in Nature this week, that's exactly what a team of climatologists set out to do. With help from computer time donated by the public, the researchers analyzed the severe rains that flooded England and Wales in 2000, leading to some of the worst flooding in British history. They looked at the climate as it actually existed at the time, and then compared it to hypothetical climates as they would have been if human beings had never begun adding greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. The researchers concluded that the chances of such a major flood happening at that time were roughly doubled by the rise in greenhouse gases. "Greenhouse gas emissions due to human activity have affected the odds of floods in England and Wales," said physicist Pardeep Pall of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH Zurich), who led the Nature research.

Given the billions of dollars for climate adaptation at stake, it's vital for scientists to deliver more rapid and accurate analysis of extreme weather events—like climate change CSI. But we're not there yet—the Nature study of the 2000 floods took a decade of work and incredibly complex computer simulations. But we'll need better analysis not just to predict coming extreme weather events and prepare for them—something that could have averted much of the damage from the terrible floods in Pakistan last summer—but in assigning cause and blame. That will matter for the business world—insurance companies will want to know just what caused devastating floods or storms as they pay out their claims. But it will also impact international climate negotiations. If developing countries—already on the front lines of global warming—can prove that carbon emissions from rich countries are causing what we once referred to as natural catastrophes, they may well be justified in demanding the equivalent of carbon reparations.


http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/02/17/new-studies-show-that-climate-change...


So the science mounts ... when will the hard right embrace science and back Greens policies like a 40% cut in CO2 pollution. If they don't it's enough evidence to call the Liberals and the National Party's financially reckless.
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Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:37am
 
Further reading :

Devastating floods are now twice as likely thanks to climate change, scientists claim

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1357988/Devastating-floods-twice-...

Climate change pushing up food prices: Minister

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article918393.ece/Climate-change-pushing-up-foo...

Figures warns tackling climate change is critical to world peace


http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2026780/figueres-warns-tackling-climate-cha...
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Reply #2 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:43am
 
I still say its Mother Nature woody.. how come these guys never mention her? its never a normal part of natural patterns. its always man made..

take comfort in the fact that we will SOON have a all mighty TAX to take care of it.. so you wont have to fret anymore..

wonder if it will go into reverse asap.. or will we have to wait a week or two do you think?...

have  someone up in Darwin and they had a cyclone warning.. she said it was a 4 downgraded to a 3 which by all accounts is not as bad as they are used too... I saw some of it on the news and it looked bad enough to me..she laughed when I got worried about her.lots of rain and wind.. but nothing out of the norm for this time of the year..
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Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:51am
 
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:43am:
I still say its Mother Nature woody.. how come these guys never mention her? its never a normal part of natural patterns. its always man made..

take comfort in the fact that we will SOON have a all mighty TAX to take care of it.. so you wont have to fret anymore..

wonder if it will go into reverse asap.. or will we have to wait a week or two do you think?...

have  someone up in Darwin and they had a cyclone warning.. she said it was a 4 downgraded to a 3 which by all accounts is not as bad as they are used too... I saw some of it on the news and it looked bad enough to me..she laughed when I got worried about her.lots of rain and wind.. but nothing out of the norm for this time of the year..



This is outside natural patterns, which prove this is caused by humans/ carbon pollution.

If you don't believe me, then read what the scientists are saying.


Climate War Costs, Food Shortages/ Crop Damage Cost, Infrastructure Damage Costs, Climate Refugee Costs, New Pests and Storms Cost, Climate Change Human Illness Costs. By Liberals and Nationals Denying Human Caused Climate Change Science, they are revealing they are financially reckless.
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Reply #4 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:18am
 
____ wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:29am:
In the first major paper of its kind, a new study in the February 17 Nature has found that heavy precipitation is at least partly due to the growing concentration of manmade greenhouse gas emissions in the atmosphere. A team of scientists from Canada and Scotland used powerful computers to analyze the causes behind the rise in storms and heavy snowfall over the past half century. They found that the likelihood of extreme precipitation on any given day rose by 7% between 1951 and 1999—the years covered by the study. That's outside the bounds of normal variability, and the increase only make sense if rising greenhouse gas emissions and climate change are taken into effect. "Human influence on the climate system has the effect of intensifying precipitation extremes," said Francis Zwiers, a climate researcher at Environment Canada in Toronto and the study's lead researcher.

That conclusion shouldn't be that surprising—climatologists have predicted an uptick in extreme weather events as greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere increase. Since warmer air can carry more water vapor, a warmer planet should see heavier rain and other precepitation—and that's what we've begun to see with actual weather. As an accompanying article to the Nature studies points out, for every 1 C in warming near the Earth's surface, scientists expect a 2-3% increase in total global precipitation.

But it's not global precipitation patterns that should really worry us—it's local rainfall, either too much or too little. We need scientists to be able to tell us whether a certain flood or a certain drought actually can be tied to global warming. And in another study published in Nature this week, that's exactly what a team of climatologists set out to do. With help from computer time donated by the public, the researchers analyzed the severe rains that flooded England and Wales in 2000, leading to some of the worst flooding in British history. They looked at the climate as it actually existed at the time, and then compared it to hypothetical climates as they would have been if human beings had never begun adding greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. The researchers concluded that the chances of such a major flood happening at that time were roughly doubled by the rise in greenhouse gases. "Greenhouse gas emissions due to human activity have affected the odds of floods in England and Wales," said physicist Pardeep Pall of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH Zurich), who led the Nature research.

Given the billions of dollars for climate adaptation at stake, it's vital for scientists to deliver more rapid and accurate analysis of extreme weather events—like climate change CSI. But we're not there yet—the Nature study of the 2000 floods took a decade of work and incredibly complex computer simulations. But we'll need better analysis not just to predict coming extreme weather events and prepare for them—something that could have averted much of the damage from the terrible floods in Pakistan last summer—but in assigning cause and blame. That will matter for the business world—insurance companies will want to know just what caused devastating floods or storms as they pay out their claims. But it will also impact international climate negotiations. If developing countries—already on the front lines of global warming—can prove that carbon emissions from rich countries are causing what we once referred to as natural catastrophes, they may well be justified in demanding the equivalent of carbon reparations.


http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/02/17/new-studies-show-that-climate-change...


So the science mounts ... when will the hard right embrace science and back Greens policies like a 40% cut in CO2 pollution. If they don't it's enough evidence to call the Liberals and the National Party's financially reckless.


Sounds like crap to me green.
By the way, which tea leaves did they use, or did they just read sign in cats intestines this time the old fashioned way.
Or was it from icy poles pulled out from the north pole again?
These slapnuts obviously havent heard of El Nino & La Nina.
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Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:49am
 
____ wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:51am:
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:43am:
I still say its Mother Nature woody.. how come these guys never mention her? its never a normal part of natural patterns. its always man made..

take comfort in the fact that we will SOON have a all mighty TAX to take care of it.. so you wont have to fret anymore..

wonder if it will go into reverse asap.. or will we have to wait a week or two do you think?...

have  someone up in Darwin and they had a cyclone warning.. she said it was a 4 downgraded to a 3 which by all accounts is not as bad as they are used too... I saw some of it on the news and it looked bad enough to me..she laughed when I got worried about her.lots of rain and wind.. but nothing out of the norm for this time of the year..



This is outside natural patterns, which prove this is caused by humans/ carbon pollution.

If you don't believe me, then read what the scientists are saying.


Climate War Costs, Food Shortages/ Crop Damage Cost, Infrastructure Damage Costs, Climate Refugee Costs, New Pests and Storms Cost, Climate Change Human Illness Costs. By Liberals and Nationals Denying Human Caused Climate Change Science, they are revealing they are financially reckless.




woody you like PANIC.. and they will tell you anything.. then 20 years from now they will say  hu hum we got it wrong..they are allowed to get it wrong.

I use commonsense I know its old fashioned and not too many have it these days..but as Noah knows... in 40 days and 40 nights the world as it was then was flooded..and I believe that was looooooooooooooong before manmade anything...

but look you believe what you like woody I have no problems with that..

but dont tell me to believe what scientists say when they have been discredited so many times.. and what we are seeing has gone on many times in the past billion or so years the planet has been in existence.

we havent the POWER mate we really havent..you believe it all you like but you and they or Al will never convince me.


did you know Christmas Island is the peak of a vulcano?......yes it is now how did that end up flooded?
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Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:28am
 
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:49am:
____ wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:51am:
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:43am:
I still say its Mother Nature woody.. how come these guys never mention her? its never a normal part of natural patterns. its always man made..

take comfort in the fact that we will SOON have a all mighty TAX to take care of it.. so you wont have to fret anymore..

wonder if it will go into reverse asap.. or will we have to wait a week or two do you think?...

have  someone up in Darwin and they had a cyclone warning.. she said it was a 4 downgraded to a 3 which by all accounts is not as bad as they are used too... I saw some of it on the news and it looked bad enough to me..she laughed when I got worried about her.lots of rain and wind.. but nothing out of the norm for this time of the year..



This is outside natural patterns, which prove this is caused by humans/ carbon pollution.

If you don't believe me, then read what the scientists are saying.


Climate War Costs, Food Shortages/ Crop Damage Cost, Infrastructure Damage Costs, Climate Refugee Costs, New Pests and Storms Cost, Climate Change Human Illness Costs. By Liberals and Nationals Denying Human Caused Climate Change Science, they are revealing they are financially reckless.




woody you like PANIC.. and they will tell you anything.. then 20 years from now they will say  hu hum we got it wrong..they are allowed to get it wrong.

I use commonsense I know its old fashioned and not too many have it these days..but as Noah knows... in 40 days and 40 nights the world as it was then was flooded..and I believe that was looooooooooooooong before manmade anything...

but look you believe what you like woody I have no problems with that..

but dont tell me to believe what scientists say when they have been discredited so many times.. and what we are seeing has gone on many times in the past billion or so years the planet has been in existence.

we havent the POWER mate we really havent..you believe it all you like but you and they or Al will never convince me.


did you know Christmas Island is the peak of a vulcano?......yes it is now how did that end up flooded?


wow, this is the first time I have heard Noah being used as proof that Climate Change is faux.

Well done Mellie, you've reached new heights!


Climate Change can't possibly be happening... look at all the rain we're getting!  And you said the world is warming...fools.

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Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 10:57am
 
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:49am:
I use commonsense I know its old fashioned and not too many have it these days..but as Noah knows... in 40 days and 40 nights the world as it was then was flooded..and I believe that was looooooooooooooong before manmade anything...




LMAO  Grin

I am actually quite gobsmacked. Using Noahs Ark to argue against what the worlds scientists are saying about global warming......
But then again I guess it is little different to the creationists arguing against what the worlds scientists are saying about evolution.
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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 12:46pm
 
I am glad to know that reputable scientists are at least attempting to quantify the possible negative aspects of us having failed to mitigate our carbon emissions.
The 7% figure quoted from the report, puts it far beyond what we could expect to see from any "natural" variation, and if I had to guess, I would expect they are being very conservative with their pronouncements, due to the obsessive denialist lobby group, which attempts to discredit any and all research which expands on our understanding of climate change.
This attack dog mentality from the denialist camp has seemed to make scientists extremely conservative, and cautious, when it comes to providing the technical backup to the anecdotal evidence we have all experienced, that the climate is changing, and now we are seeing more frequent, and more violent, extreme weather events, because of those changes.

I don't know how many more disastrous extreme weather events we will need to experience before the denialists give up their campaign of obstructing any policy which seeks to contain and curtail Carbon Emissions, but I do know that the longer they choose to block any action, the greater the toll will be for our kids.

But I guess a few more extreme tragedies can go down in the denialist hand book as being appropriate to respond to with, "Sh1t happens" (it is only natural). Wink
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Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 12:52pm
 
As with any religion, faith is always a crucial component.  Whenever Al Gore`s disciples see a natural disaster, they dance around in circles, clapping their hands & kissing the ground, yelling "It`s a miracle, IT`S A MIRACLE!".
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Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 1:17pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:51am:
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 5:43am:
I still say its Mother Nature woody.. how come these guys never mention her? its never a normal part of natural patterns. its always man made..

take comfort in the fact that we will SOON have a all mighty TAX to take care of it.. so you wont have to fret anymore..

wonder if it will go into reverse asap.. or will we have to wait a week or two do you think?...

have  someone up in Darwin and they had a cyclone warning.. she said it was a 4 downgraded to a 3 which by all accounts is not as bad as they are used too... I saw some of it on the news and it looked bad enough to me..she laughed when I got worried about her.lots of rain and wind.. but nothing out of the norm for this time of the year..



This is outside natural patterns, which prove this is caused by humans/ carbon pollution.

If you don't believe me, then read what the scientists are saying.


Climate War Costs, Food Shortages/ Crop Damage Cost, Infrastructure Damage Costs, Climate Refugee Costs, New Pests and Storms Cost, Climate Change Human Illness Costs. By Liberals and Nationals Denying Human Caused Climate Change Science, they are revealing they are financially reckless.


So you don't think that a drought ending has anything to do with increased rainfall Greens???

What exactly IS the 'natural patterns' for 2011???
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Reply #11 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 2:25pm
 
You know what?
There will be people still saying, "it's all happened before & it's just mother nature", when both polar caps are gone and the oceans have reclaimed large tracts of land, around the world.

And, all of that, just before we starting shifting into the next Ice Age!

You know what?
It's just possible that the scientists have got it wrong and this is simply part of mother natures normal cycle? I greatly doubt, having read a lot of information and come to my own conclusion, but it is possible?

So what! We are still heading for the top of this warming cycle, before we head into another Ice Age, but we are probably getting there faster than on previously ocassions and this time there are 7 Billion+ humans riding on the outcome.

This has never happened before!
Trust me (I'm not a Politician), I guarantee it and if Public Policy/planning is done on the back of an assumption that it (the usual climate cycle) has happened before and we are still here, then we will risk the entire future of humanity, on a false premise!  

You know what?
Given the human species track record and the record of our Politicians and of TPTB, it is quite likely that we will proceed with those false assumptions and it may well, cost us the Earth?

And, future generations, if there are any, will look back say, "they knew there were substantial Risks, but they didn't try to mitigate those Risks, they didn't even try"!
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BTW - when did humans cease to be part of nature? Are we now super-natural beings?

Isn't what we do part of nature?


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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 2:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm:
BTW - when did humans cease to be part of nature? Are we now super-natural beings?

Isn't what we do part of nature?




What has climate got to do with these fascists wanting to dictate our lives and tax us for breathing? Smiley
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The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 10:57am:
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:49am:
I use commonsense I know its old fashioned and not too many have it these days..but as Noah knows... in 40 days and 40 nights the world as it was then was flooded..and I believe that was looooooooooooooong before manmade anything...




LMAO  Grin

I am actually quite gobsmacked. Using Noahs Ark to argue against what the worlds scientists are saying about global warming......
But then again I guess it is little different to the creationists arguing against what the worlds scientists are saying about evolution.

Mellie knows its true, the Unicorns live at her house. Grin Grin Grin what a tard.
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