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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #90 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:50pm

muso wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

IF there isn't any proof that this hasn't happened before then AGW is NOT a viable concept...

Flawed how?? Is there one single part of current climate change that hasn't happened before??? No there's not....

So if the same actions have happened due to natural causes in the past, then there isn't any way say it's man caused THIS time...

Going back to the analogy it's the fact that the knife is in the chest and we know that if you are stabbed through the heart with a knife , your pulse was quite normal beforehand and no pulse after, then there is a 99%+ chance that it was the act of being stabbed through the heart that killed Colonel Mustard.

In the same way, we know that CO2 in the atmosphere causes the Greenhouse Effect (the CO2 molecule has the property of absorbing LW Infrared radiation etc). We know that the CO2 has been increasing as a result of activities such as cement manufacture and fossil fuel burning, and there is a 99% + chance that this is what is causing the increase in mean global temperatures.

Of course we know that colonels might have died from natural causes in the past, and we know that there have been perturbations of the climate in the past, but in both cases, the evidence is equally compelling.

Ok, lets go back to your Colonel Mustard anaolgy......but delete the knife from the equation...

So we have Colonel Mustard lying dead on the floor........was it natural causes or human action????

In other words....in the current climate change...WHERE is the 'knife'???

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #91 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm

Please delete wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

OK, you're talking about the BEGINNING of the sangamon. What time period?

Such a stupid argument. You find some esoteric bit of data, and demand someone refute it. FFS.

You sound like longweekend.

If it's such a stupid argument, why do you suppose that Greens_win brought it up in the first place?????

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #92 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

OK, you're talking about the BEGINNING of the sangamon. What time period?

Such a stupid argument. You find some esoteric bit of data, and demand someone refute it. FFS.

You sound like longweekend.

If it's such a stupid argument, why do you suppose that Greens_win brought it up in the first place?????

That was your own quote. Take responsibility rather than deflect.

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #93 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:13pm

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

OK, you're talking about the BEGINNING of the sangamon. What time period?

Such a stupid argument. You find some esoteric bit of data, and demand someone refute it. FFS.

You sound like longweekend.

If it's such a stupid argument, why do you suppose that Greens_win brought it up in the first place?????

That was your own quote. Take responsibility rather than deflect.

Come on Greens, be honest?

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #94 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:32pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

OK, you're talking about the BEGINNING of the sangamon. What time period?

Such a stupid argument. You find some esoteric bit of data, and demand someone refute it. FFS.

You sound like longweekend.

If it's such a stupid argument, why do you suppose that Greens_win brought it up in the first place?????

You're the one that raised the sangamon interglacial, gizmo.

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #95 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 8:33pm

Please delete wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

OK, you're talking about the BEGINNING of the sangamon. What time period?

Such a stupid argument. You find some esoteric bit of data, and demand someone refute it. FFS.

You sound like longweekend.

If it's such a stupid argument, why do you suppose that Greens_win brought it up in the first place?????

You're the one that raised the sangamon interglacial, gizmo.

Yes, true...but greens is the one made the original statement about whether or not the Co2 increase is faster now than ever before...

Look at page 6, reply #75....

And then I asked if the Co2 levels had, in fact, ever risen so fast before....
I used the Sangamon simply because asking how fast the Co2 levels have risen THIS time is sort of pointless, isn't it???

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #96 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:18am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:50pm:

Ok, lets go back to your Colonel Mustard anaolgy......but delete the knife from the equation...

So we have Colonel Mustard lying dead on the floor........was it natural causes or human action????

In other words....in the current climate change...WHERE is the 'knife'???

That wouldn't be a good analogy because copious volumes of scientific research tells us that the case is at least 99% certain.

You need to put the knife back in to make it a valid comparison.

As I already said, the "knife" is the fundamental properties of greenhouse gases to absorb LWIR and the fact that the increase in atmospheric GHG's can unequivocably be traced and quantified. Accountants are very good at keeping track of sales and consumption of hydrocarbons and coal. It's not rocket science.

All the dodging, lying and polemic choreography in the world can't get around those basic physical facts.

Would anyone object of I transferred this thread to Environment? It's an environmental subject.

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #98 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:47am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

It won't worry me if you move it muso....

I'm done with it anyway, I realise I'll never get any answer other than "because" to my questions....

Well tell me what you don't understand/ agree with in the Climate Science thread if you like. It's all pretty basic stuff. The question of anthropogenic global warming is settled. The paper mentioned on this thread is about the increased frequency of storm events.

We've moved on.

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #99 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 10:51am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

It won't worry me if you move it muso....

I'm done with it anyway, I realise I'll never get any answer other than "because" to my questions....

Gizmo, i thought better of you than this.

However, I will say, if the answers you're seeking are like that sangamano interglacial question, I think you are expecting too much.

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #100 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 5:15pm

Please delete wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 10:51am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

It won't worry me if you move it muso....

I'm done with it anyway, I realise I'll never get any answer other than "because" to my questions....

Gizmo, i thought better of you than this.

However, I will say, if the answers you're seeking are like that sangamano interglacial question, I think you are expecting too much.

Oh there are people who will provide an answer - in fact tell me what answer you want and I'm sure we can find somebody - not necessarily an authority on the subject of course. Wink

There are very few other subjects that have so many armchair experts.

The next time you have a medical problem, I know a very good taxi driver who is an expert on almost every subject under the sun.

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Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain
Reply #101 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 10:10pm

Please delete wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 10:51am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

It won't worry me if you move it muso....

I'm done with it anyway, I realise I'll never get any answer other than "because" to my questions....

Gizmo, i thought better of you than this.

However, I will say, if the answers you're seeking are like that sangamano interglacial question, I think you are expecting too much.

Why are you surprised Ernie???

I've been trying for about 24 hours to get the answer to the question Greens asked......

And so far 2 other people have come into the converstation to run interference and cloud the issue....
So, it's pretty obvious that I'll never get an answer....

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain Reply #102 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 7:58am Ok, so what is the questions again?
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain Reply #103 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 7:58am And I'm not "running interference".
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Climate Change Is the Culprit in Extreme Rain Reply #104 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 8:02am Please delete wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 7:58am: Ok, so what is the questions again? The one Greens asked...... Has the rate of Co2 increase ever been as fast before, as it has been in the last 50 years .....
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