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Reply #45 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:46am

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:42am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:39am:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:24am:

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Many islam nations are taking a leading role in stamping out extremism in their communities.

-Alevine

Fantastic, may we see some examples please?

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http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35910

Would you require someone to read it for you? It isn't by Piers unfortunately, cods Sad

I would rather you thought of them yourself googlevine...just one will do. Cool

What do you personally think has been a giant step for Muslim mankind in terms of stamping out extremism in any given Muslim country of your choice?

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cods, forgive me so much for actually reading up information in regard to what is happening around the world. And guess what, sometimes reading someone else opinion is a great thing.

you have what I've given you. Start with reading that. Like I said, I can ask my mum to help you if you require. Wink

I'll give you one last crack at it...before I head off to do some more work...

I would rather you thought of them yourself googlevine...just one will do.

Again...what do you personally think has been a giant step for Muslim mankind in terms of stamping out extremism in any given Muslim country?

One sentence should do it!

Thesis not required!

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cods, very simple: read the article Wink

It has the great example I'm referring to.

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35910

If you want, I can have it so it would divert from a web URL : "piersakerman.com.au"

Would you like that, cods?

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Re: Why The Immigration Policy Must Change and Morriso
Reply #47 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:55am

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:00am:

The only way to remove militant islam's threat is by making all Muslims deal with it and for them to take responsibility for its removal. (But they either don't disagree with the militants or are scared of them.) ALl Muslims are implicated by it, its their internal problem. Making Muslims responsible for their internal turmoil is not the same as banning Islam.

Also, there is no other religion that is killing random westerners in the name of their religions, to further their their stated aims of social transformation. Not to see that there are militant Muslim who do just that is willful blindness. To imply that it is not relevant or isn't a threat is totally unconvincing.

There is no longer any other religion that will threaten violence or actually act violently if its doctrines are criticised. In such a context, Islamic violence in response to criticism or disrespect is a political act.

One of the most intelligent and insightful comments ever made on this forum.

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Reply #48 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:00am

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:00am:

The only way to remove militant islam's threat is by making all Muslims deal with it and for them to take responsibility for its removal.

That is exactly right.
Years back on a friday, I was out with one of my colleagues who was Pakistani-British and obviously Muslim.

Some nutcase was stood on Piccadilly preaching some militant Muslim hatred. After 5 mins, my colleague said "I've had enough of this" and walked over to him, pulled out a small copy of the Koran (which I don't know if he always had that with him) and asked him where in the book it supports his view of killing innocent westerners for not being believers.

A 10 mins argument then raged about Islam but the difference was it was being held by a moderate family man and a nutcase.

It is not us, the westerners who will stop these idiots but the moderate sensible guys of their religion.

Hence why it is important for us to encourage and assist moderate governments in their parts of the world.
To be honest, if that means without free elections so be it.

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Re: Why The Immigration Policy Must Change and Morriso
Reply #49 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:08am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:00am:

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:00am:

The only way to remove militant islam's threat is by making all Muslims deal with it and for them to take responsibility for its removal.

That is exactly right.
Years back on a friday, I was out with one of my colleagues who was Pakistani-British and obviously Muslim.

Some nutcase was stood on Piccadilly preaching some militant Muslim hatred. After 5 mins, my colleague said "I've had enough of this" and walked over to him, pulled out a small copy of the Koran (which I don't know if he always had that with him) and asked him where in the book it supports his view of killing innocent westerners for not being believers.

A 10 mins argument then raged about Islam but the difference was it was being held by a moderate family man and a nutcase.

It is not us, the westerners who will stop these idiots but the moderate sensible guys of their religion.

Hence why it is important for us to encourage and assist moderate governments in their parts of the world.
To be honest, if that means without free elections so be it.

As already mentioned, governments around the islam world are already taking counter-terrorism action against such "threats." The issue relies more on whether we judge every muslim as a problem and stop intake, or whether we accept that the vast majority are not extremists and are exactly like Hickory's mate.

The stereotype is not justified for the entire muslim community, and as a result people's anxieties over the muslim community are not warranted.

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Reply #50 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:03pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am:

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58am:

Who should we fear most: the scapegoats of the self-serving propagandists - or the propagandists themselves!?

What? You reckon the Bali bombers and their handlers are scapegoats? The Moonee Pond Jihadis led by Benbrinka are scapegoats? The Hodsworthy would-be martyrs re scapegoats?

You reckon Howard/Bush/Abbott put them up to it and the poor bunnies just got sucked into acting against their better judgements?

Again we are letting the extremists & our fear of them derail the thread.
So lets put away the hatred & fear (or at least post it in the 6 other threads) & try & think outside those narrow perimeters.

You may not be interested in the extremists - but the extremists are interested in you (to update an oldie but a goodie).

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