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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #45 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:28am Has anyone heard from that boy's relatives who are still in Iran? Is his second cousin in Sydney his closest living relative? Mebbe going back to Iran IS in his best interest (not in the best interest of the Refugee Council, admittedly).
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Reply #46 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:30am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 7:12am:

It's good that the child will be sent to his family in Sydney and not locked up.
If he has no parents in the detention centre, it serves no purpose keeping him there.
What's not good is Labor's initial policy fiddling and gross incompetence, which has led to the boat being where it was in the first place.

What sickens me is that he's been locked up now since the 15th of December 2010.

I guess like always, we just 'assume' our government will do the right thing .... misplaced trust?

We really need to stop assuming!

Look where it's got us.

The child has been grieving and locked away like a dirty secret for over 2 months...and only now that we see this tragedy crumpled in a heap before our eyes TV/media do we the public gasp!

Where were the Greens?

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Reply #47 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:00am

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:30am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 7:12am:

It's good that the child will be sent to his family in Sydney and not locked up.
If he has no parents in the detention centre, it serves no purpose keeping him there.
What's not good is Labor's initial policy fiddling and gross incompetence, which has led to the boat being where it was in the first place.

What sickens me is that he's been locked up now since the 15th of December 2010.

I guess like always, we just 'assume' our government will do the right thing .... misplaced trust?

We really need to stop assuming!

Look where it's got us.

The child has been grieving and locked away like a dirty secret for over 2 months...and only now that we see this tragedy crumpled in a heap before our eyes TV/media do we the public gasp!

Where were the Greens?

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Absolutely it's misplaced trust.
But I think many people stopped assuming with this government a long time ago mellie.
And this government being the Labor government including Rudd's time as the jockey.
Labor has no clue and blunder around like Mr Magoo from one issue to another without really doing anything.
My mother would have described them as a fart between two ears, and she was a Labor voter all her life.
As for the greens, no doubt they were off skipping with the fairies.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14243 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #48 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:06am skippy. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 4:59pm: So you disagree with liberal policy, mel? You dont think refugees should be held in detention? Have all these crocodile tears contributed to Australia's flood damage ?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #49 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:08am You can be strongly in favor of controlled migration and still have compassion for the people stuck in this terrible situation.
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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #50 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:10am The trouble they went to in order to cover their tracks, is quite admirable....if only they had invested so much time and effort doing the right thing by our country, they would have done themselves and us a good service. Rudds a very greedy and naughty schoolboy.
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Reply #51 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:12am

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:06am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 4:59pm:

So you disagree with liberal policy, mel?
You dont think refugees should be held in detention?

Have all these crocodile tears contributed to Australia's flood damage ?

I believe my policies are humane, this and place a particular emphasis on vulnerable persons.

Unlike that of a Greedy GALP Inc

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14243 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #52 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:36am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:08am: You can be strongly in favor of controlled migration and still have compassion for the people stuck in this terrible situation. Are you referring to your "shoe-shiners" or "third world trash" ?
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Reply #53 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:47am

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:36am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

You can be strongly in favor of controlled migration and still have compassion for the people stuck in this terrible situation.

Are you referring to your

"shoe-shiners"

or

"third world trash"

?

I think you are confusing flippant off-the-cuff references with policy beliefs.
They are not the same.

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #54 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:58am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:47am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:36am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

You can be strongly in favor of controlled migration and still have compassion for the people stuck in this terrible situation.

Are you referring to your

"shoe-shiners"

or

"third world trash"

?

i

I think you are confusing flippant off-the-cuff references with policy beliefs.
They are not the same.

Sleeping with Tony Abbott ?

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Reply #55 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:23am

Mellie,

I have been to many funerals, and I have never seen an 8 year old behave to those extremes before. I never said the kid the acting, but lets be realistic here, its fairly easy the get an 8 year old to cry if you really want too. You also had the psychological situation where this kid was hearing these “banshees” wailing and carrying on at the tops of their voices coupled with all the men with no one really in control of the situation, so obviously the kid was going to mimic the adults.

FFS, How many 8 year olds do you know of who have the mental ability of knowing what death and grief is really all about and then have the ability to express that understanding in a adult way?

FFS, if this wasn’t a deliberate media set-up to illicit sympathy, then I will stand rooting.

The thing I fear the most is the mental well being of the child. It would seem from the media reports that this group For’s now blame the Australian Government for what happened, and therefore will they now direct all their hatred into that child.

Maybe it would be best if the Government sent the child back to family in Iran and removed him from the For’s influence and place where the disaster happened so he can recover.

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Reply #56 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:35am

I agree, the funeral was staged for political reasons, hence so close to the NSW state election, but given Muslims inherent culture of being quite dramatic at funerals, (not uncommon for them to throw themselves into the graves of relatives, this or have to be physically restrained from doing so)... ....this child was grieving as was to be expected.

This said, he has lost both parents, at least one sibling, he's displaced, and has been confined to a detention centre with strangers for the past 2 months...(Convenient that Gillard and Keneally should let them out now).... he's been through allot, what else can we do?

Staged for the media, you mean the act of the boy becoming emotional?

No way, these Muslims go to town when they grieve, they wouldn't have even noticed the cameras were there...they get right into it.

It's just, our government made the most of a bad situation, like they are currently cashing in on flood donations from the royal family and Obama, they wish to remain confidential.

This government have so much to answer for.
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #57 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:35am mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:12am: I believe my policies are humane, this and place a particular emphasis on vulnerable persons. Unlike that of a Greedy GALP Inc Your policies!!!! Are you a Liberal party policy maker Mel?
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Reply #58 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:41am

culldav wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

Mellie,

I have been to many funerals, and I have never seen an 8 year old behave to those extremes before. I never said the kid the acting, but lets be realistic here, its fairly easy the get an 8 year old to cry if you really want too. You also had the psychological situation where this kid was hearing these “banshees” wailing and carrying on at the tops of their voices coupled with all the men with no one really in control of the situation, so obviously the kid was going to mimic the adults.

FFS, How many 8 year olds do you know of who have the mental ability of knowing what death and grief is really all about and then have the ability to express that understanding in a adult way?

FFS, if this wasn’t a deliberate media set-up to illicit sympathy, then I will stand rooting.

The thing I fear the most is the mental well being of the child. It would seem from the media reports that this group For’s now blame the Australian Government for what happened, and therefore will they now direct all their hatred into that child.

Maybe it would be best if the Government sent the child back to family in Iran and removed him from the For’s influence and place where the disaster happened so he can recover.

Of the funerals you have been to, were the children you observed the tragically- orphaned offspring of not one but two deceased persons!?

Have you not noticed that: during funeral proceedings, there are sombre intervals punctuated by happy and angry moments - and that there are points where various people weep hysterically and other points at which the very same people laugh heartily!?

As you suggest, the media will have focused on the moments where this child was feeling heightened grief - since it would not be sensational to show him at those times on the same day when he was laughing and jostling as he kicked a soccer ball around or was otherwise being distracted by normal interactions with other adults and same-aged peers...

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Reply #59 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:57am

Thinking about it, I have only ever been to two funerals in my life.

One of them, bizarrely enough, was for a bloke I have never met.

We arrived in Townsville for a holiday and my wife's great uncle died. I ended up at his funeral. Until we got there and I saw the pic on the front, I didn't even know what he looked like.

It's a sorry state of affairs all around.

I feel sorry for these people but at the end of the day we cannot allow soft factors (as we call them in Finance management) to drive through policies which should be dictated by harder factors and economic argument.

Such is life you know. We can't have everyone in Australia.
These people need to play the hand they were dealt - not move to another table.

If you get my drift.

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