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Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm
 


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Hospital shame as Tracey Lake miscarries baby in toilet

    * By Marianne Betts
    * From: Herald Sun
    * February 17, 2011 12:00AM
    * 52 comments

    * Mum-to-be miscarries baby in hospital toilet
    * Forced to wait four hours before seeing doctor
    * Case sparks major investigation into procedures

A PREGNANT woman was made to wait nearly two hours at a Melbourne hospital emergency department before she lost her baby in the toilet.

And it was more than four hours before Tracey Lake - who was 10 to 12 weeks pregnant - even saw a doctor at Frankston Hospital, her family says.

Victorian Health Minister David Davis has ordered an immediate investigation.

Frankston Hospital has apologised to Ms Lake, 41, and is reviewing the case.

Her horror unfolded after she visited a GP in pain and bleeding, and was sent to the nearby hospital emergency department for urgent care on February 9.

Her partner, Darren Hall, said the GP rang ahead to the emergency department to let them know of their arrival, and sent a letter with them, explaining she had a "threatened and incomplete miscarriage".

Ms Lake waited at the emergency department for more than an hour before a nurse took her blood pressure, and despite asking for painkillers she was given none.

Two hours later she left the waiting room to go to the toilet because her bleeding was getting worse.

"I felt it come out . . . I knew I had lost my baby," Ms Lake said.

"I started crying, I didn't know what to do, I was pretty upset.

"I would have thought, if someone was miscarrying, they would send you straight through.

"I don't believe anybody should sit there and lose their baby waiting to be seen to."

When the distressed couple told the triage nurse they had lost their baby down the toilet, the nurse failed to recognise them and started recording their details as if they were new patients.

She then told them to sit in the waiting room again, and minutes later the same nurse approached Ms Lake asking for a urine sample, only for the couple to repeat that they had lost their baby, so it was too late.

Ms Lake was then given a bed, and finally saw a doctor at 2.30am, nearly five hours after arriving at the emergency department.

She was told her blood pressure was low, and if she lost any more blood she would need a transfusion.

Ms Lake had a curette at 4.30am and was discharged later that morning.

Mr Hall admitted the couple may have still lost their baby had Ms Lake been cared for immediately, but he said she did not need to suffer the distress and indignity of losing it in a hospital toilet.

"I am angry and disgusted this could happen in this day and age in the health system we are supposed to have," he said.

The referring GP declined to comment.

Hospital executive director Brendon Gardner said the hospital, and especially the emergency department team, "deeply regret" what happened.

The nurse unit manager had apologised to Ms Lake, and staff were being interviewed as part of a thorough review of the case, he said.

"Processes and procedures at triage will be changed if necessary to prevent such an incident from occurring again," he said.

Health Minister David Davis said he was distressed to learn of the case and his thoughts were with Ms Lake and Mr Hall.

"I have ordered my department to ensure that Peninsula Health leaves no stone unturned in an immediate investigation into what happened," he said.



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Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:21pm
 
This is a Vic hospital nemesis - you must have had deja vu on your mind
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Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:26pm
 


bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:21pm:
This is a Vic hospital nemesis - you must have had deja vu on your mind


Sort of - obviously, I was hoping to draw some of the usual anti-Lab vitriol in, so as to highlight the idiocy of reactions to previous similar instances of inevitable miscarriages in hospital loos (even if this was a 'failed miscarriage' - as indicated by the curette, which is not standard procedure in complete/d miscarriages)...

Glad to see you're on the ball!

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Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:28pm
 
Sorry I was just reading the other day what world class health facilities you have in Australia.

I mean that would why you pay over $15,000 more in tax than I do per year right??

I mean that's what you guys told me......

Only the other day a healthcare professional called Victoria's healthcare system (after a decade of state mis-management) described the system as "embarrassing".

So you pay way more in tax and both the main states have a shitehouse healthcare.

Goes to show who is right and who is wrong eh?
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Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:31pm
 


Thousands of women miscarry every day in Australia, Android - as many as 90% of all human conceptions end in miscarriage (it's just that most of those are not formally documented because they occur in the first couple of weeks of pregnancy and either are treated as a late period and/or medical attention is not required)...


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Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:33pm
 
But should a worldclass healthcare facility then have the woman left for 2 hours afterwards before being treated???


And you're telling me the public system is the way to go?

Strange, somehow I couldn't see the Cabrini Hospital in Armadale treating us like that back when we were there.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:33pm:
But should a worldclass healthcare facility then have the woman left for 2 hours afterwards before being treated???


And you're telling me the public system is the way to go?

Strange, somehow I couldn't see the Cabrini Hospital in Armadale treating us like that back when we were there.


Notwithstanding that the pseudo-Private hospital system is supposed to take the pressure off the public system: if she had presented at any pseudo-Private Hospital, she would have been sent off to the nearest Public one - regardless of whether or not she was privately-insured!

This is because the duplicated pseudo-Private hospital system is basically designed a 5-star hotel service to justify the extortionate costs of lining the pockets of exclusive doctors for non-urgent (often cosmetic) procedures...

If not for the multi-billion dollar annual subsidy to pseudo-Private Health Insurance, the Public hospital system would be better-resourced...

Why are Aussie taxpayers heavily-subsidising 5-star hotel rooms for those who can afford to pay for their own Private Health Insurance in the first instance - and why doesn't our system prioritise health care delivery on the basis of MEDICAL need!?

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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:44pm
 
That being said, the Cabrini was a lovely hospital.

The maternity rooms were better than any top hotel I have stayed at! What a resort it was - just with screaming children....  Grin

Recommend it as the way to go anytime everyone.
Private is the best, always is, always will be. Funded by the Aussie taxpayer too.....  Wink

Anyway carry on thy, you were saying something about some woman down in Franger.
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<I was hoping to draw some of the usual anti-Lab vitriol in>

but the difference is nemesis that NSW hospitals REALLY are a mess, whereas I believe the Vic system is fairly good.
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Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:51pm
 

Just highlighting the key word...

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:45pm:
<I was hoping to draw some of the usual anti-Lab vitriol in>

but the difference is nemesis that NSW hospitals REALLY are a mess, whereas I believe the Vic system is fairly good.


By my reckoning, what the general public believes is largely confected by party propagandists and selectively-peddled in the partisan media...

One only needs to look back a couple of days, for an example of Scott Morrison the Federal Libs politicising 'boat people' funerals and being aided and abetted by the media in demonising and vilifying 'Muslims': only 3 of the 8 boat tragedy victims were Muslim - but the media painted a false picture so that most people currently believe that all 8 were Muslim (when the majority - 5 - of them were in fact Xtians!)...

NSW has its issues - but the Labs are copping too much flack and the Libs have been let-off scott-free!

In politics, perceptions are powerful things - and the propagandists know it!


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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:53pm
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:41pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:33pm:
But should a worldclass healthcare facility then have the woman left for 2 hours afterwards before being treated???


And you're telling me the public system is the way to go?

Strange, somehow I couldn't see the Cabrini Hospital in Armadale treating us like that back when we were there.


Notwithstanding that the pseudo-Private hospital system is supposed to take the pressure off the public system: if she had presented at any pseudo-Private Hospital, she would have been sent off to the nearest Public one - regardless of whether or not she was privately-insured!

This is because the duplicated hospital system is basically designed a 5-star hotel service to justify the extortionate costs of lining the pockets of exclusive doctors for non-urgent (often cosmetic) procedures...

Why are Aussie taxpayers heavily-subsidising 5-star hotel rooms for those who can afford to pay for their own Private Health Insurance in the first instance - and why doesn't our system prioritise health care delivery on the basis of MEDICAL need!?


Because then there would be no argument for having 30% rebate on Private health which would as was the case before it's introduction (& the coerison of increased fee's once a certain age is reached) that people would leave in droves because IT'S NOT VALUE FOR MONEY.
Private health was down to close to 30% of the population before the rebate because people were paying ever increasing premiums & then if they actually used their insurance were getting GAP bills in the $1000's.
Imagine that you done the right thing for 20 to 30 years paid every month year after year & when you finally need the service you've already paid for 10x's over it then cost you more.
Howard couldn't stomach increasing funds to public health if he had his way we'd have no public health but that was not an option with the electorate so he went the next best thing public money to prop up private industry with coerision added to boot.
I'll never forget Woolridge standing in front of the mike saying the rebate would force premiums down, well that worked well, so far since it's introduction premiums continue to rise EVERY YEAR(although as a trade off the government of the day can set the %) except 1 & they stayed the same not reduced.
We've been taken for a ride.
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 3:01pm
 


Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:53pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:41pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 2:33pm:
But should a worldclass healthcare facility then have the woman left for 2 hours afterwards before being treated???


And you're telling me the public system is the way to go?

Strange, somehow I couldn't see the Cabrini Hospital in Armadale treating us like that back when we were there.


Notwithstanding that the pseudo-Private hospital system is supposed to take the pressure off the public system: if she had presented at any pseudo-Private Hospital, she would have been sent off to the nearest Public one - regardless of whether or not she was privately-insured!

This is because the duplicated hospital system is basically designed a 5-star hotel service to justify the extortionate costs of lining the pockets of exclusive doctors for non-urgent (often cosmetic) procedures...

Why are Aussie taxpayers heavily-subsidising 5-star hotel rooms for those who can afford to pay for their own Private Health Insurance in the first instance - and why doesn't our system prioritise health care delivery on the basis of MEDICAL need!?


Because then there would be no argument for having 30% rebate on Private health which would as was the case before it's introduction (& the coerison of increased fee's once a certain age is reached) that people would leave in droves because IT'S NOT VALUE FOR MONEY.
Private health was down to close to 30% of the population before the rebate because people were paying ever increasing premiums & then if they actually used their insurance were getting GAP bills in the $1000's.
Imagine that you done the right thing for 20 to 30 years paid every month year after year & when you finally need the service you've already paid for 10x's over it then cost you more.
Howard couldn't stomach increasing funds to public health if he had his way we'd have no public health but that was not an option with the electorate so he went the next best thing public money to prop up private industry with coerision added to boot.
I'll never forget Woolridge standing in front of the mike saying the rebate would force premiums down, well that worked well, so far since it's introduction premiums continue to rise EVERY YEAR(although as a trade off the government of the day can set the %) except 1 & they stayed the same not reduced.
We've been taken for a ride.


Sadly and ironically, it wasn't the carrot of the 30% Rebate that did the trick - in fact, it made smack-all difference!

I've previously posted links to graphs somewhere (definitely on Yahoo, maybe here), which clearly show that the Howard Govt had to introduce some savage sticks before there was any positive impact upon the decline...

It was the combination of the Surcharge Levy and Lifetime Health Cover that ultimately made the difference - and the 30% carrot justification has been falsely-etched in the dogma of the whole pseudo-Private mythology...

It is true that people would now resent the removal or means-testing of the 30% rebate - but that does not alter the fact that the sticks work better!





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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 3:09pm
 
I'm sorry but personal experience for us tells a different story.

We had a baby exactly same time as friends of ours (a month apart).

They went public, we were private.

The difference was massive. We had 4 days of care, my wife was relaxed, we had fantastic facilities etc.
The public system, I kid you not, they were sent home next day with a "here's your baby away you go" attitude.

It cost us next to nothing because the private insurer paid for it and we were able to pay for it because we had a 30% rebate.

Now I am sorry you throw up all the stats you want, you will not convince me that we didn't do well out of it in comparison to our friends.
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The graph below provides evidence of why the 30% Rebate carrot is a waste (although doesn't tell the full story - I previously found a graph which shows the impact of the separate changes over the period in 1999 and 2000): -

http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/90739/sub030-attachment.pdf

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In the face of burgeoning queues for treatment in the public hospital system, and the danger that PHI membership could fall below 30%, in 1997 the Medicare Levy Surcharge was introduced. The Medicare Levy Surcharge was an additional 1% surcharge of taxable income imposed on those earning above a certain income (for a single person a taxable income of $50,000 per annum and for a couple or family a combined taxable income of $100,000) who were eligible for Medicare but who did not have an appropriate level of hospital insurance with a registered health insurer. The Medicare Levy Surcharge was in addition to the normal 1.5% Medicare Levy.

In 2000 the Medicare Levy was raised to 1.5% under the Howard Government. Lifting of the Medicare Levy was designed to achieve two outcomes. Firstly to further ensure that high income earners who utilised the public health system paid for its use, and secondly to make PHI more attractive, particularly in conjunction with the introduction in 1999 of the 30% PHI rebate, and in 2000 the new Lifetime Health Cover (LHC) policy.

Lifetime Health Cover dramatically changed the cost of Private Health Insurance in Australia. From its inception, the intention of LHC was to expand take-up rates of PHI by imposing cumulative penalties for those aged 31 years and over, who do not insure. Persons who do not take up PHI after their 31st birthday are subject to a 2% loading for each year they remain uninsured (except for persons born prior to 1 July 1934). For persons who pay the penalty loading for 10 consecutive years, the loading is removed in the 11th year if there has been 10 years of continuous private health cover. Outcomes for this policy were meant to work alongside the 30% PHI Rebate and the 1.5% increase to the Medicare Levy.

The 1999-2000 changes to funding of the public health system resulted in a remarkable rise in PHI membership from 30.6% in 1999 to 43% the following year.

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Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 3:22pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 3:09pm:
I'm sorry but personal experience for us tells a different story.

We had a baby exactly same time as friends of ours (a month apart).

They went public, we were private.

The difference was massive. We had 4 days of care, my wife was relaxed, we had fantastic facilities etc.
The public system, I kid you not, they were sent home next day with a "here's your baby away you go" attitude.

It cost us next to nothing because the private insurer paid for it and we were able to pay for it because we had a 30% rebate.

Now I am sorry you throw up all the stats you want, you will not convince me that we didn't do well out of it in comparison to our friends.


yes that's all well & good Andrei, you paid, you booked & got a good result.
However as it has been proven if your wife was going to breech or some other difficult procedure was necessary you would have been duck shoved to a public hospitial.
BTW - My daughter was born in public, in a very comfortable birthing suite with private ensuite including large bath & my wife stayed 3 days after the birth & on that last night we were encouraged to go out for dinner before we took her home.
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