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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #60 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 4:38am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:34pm:

I agree with you Cods!!!

wow phil I am honored a first...yippee...

just joking I really think mellie is overreacting.. I really do I bet we export more to them than they do to us..

mellie we have just finished off a book store.. Angus Robertson /borders.

because of the internet.. what the hell is the difference..???

we cant be so pious to think because we support a farmer whilst killing off another business at the same time. makes what we do okay...

I am and I will buy Australian but only if its better than they others.I buy greenish bananas only to find them going brown after a day or so..

all bananas in England are inported and they dont go like that.

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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #61 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am

mellie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:11pm:

You may not have a choice... if I'm right, then it's likely this trade-deal will be huge, this and will basically end our own apple growing industry, eventually, to make the trade-deal worth NZ's while...because WTO dictates who produces, this and who sells to who...unless you live close to a local grower, who may end up burning his own orchard down anyway, because commercially, watering them to keep the supply up will be pointless and an expensive exercise in the long run if we are forced to compete with another coming in from NZ.

If you know the WTO dictates globally as to who produces what and sells to who - why did you put such a false topic name up? You really haven't a clue what you're talking about or you're deliberately lying. How about more fact less bulldust?

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Howard was big on Australian made, Australian owned, etc etc but things have now changed globally.

Refer to my earlier post. Howard sold us out. Stop spreading propaganda.

The National Food Authority became FSANZ in 2002 under the Coalition.

Amadd wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 4:27am:

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You wanted to get rid of Howard too and voted for Labor. Try and remember why you did so. Don't spout his praises now - it just confirms your hypocrisy and your lack of credibility.

Yes, Howard's main uselfulness to this country was a lesson in not licking sour assholes.

His ultimate failure to our nation should have been a blessing if we read it right.

If we haven't learnt from Howard's drawn out failures, then his existence is ultimately worthless.
Atm, Hitler has far more realistic worth than Howard.

Howard was a dictator and Abbott will attempt to follow in his footsteps without a doubt - that's if he gets his act together for long enough to win an election.

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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #62 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:31am

Australians were a lot better off under a Liberal government, this and still had enough money in their pockets to pay their bills at least.

Can low income earners and pensioners say the same under a Green-Labor government who continue increasing electricity, the cost of living, housing costs, and taxes to cover their own tracks?

Labor have squandered money, this and now are passing this expense onto the the public.

End of story.

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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #63 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:37am

mellie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:58pm:

If this Fire plight bacteria takes hold in Australia, and it's highly likely it will, say goodbye to our pear industry, because it wont prevail.

Sure, we can spray our apples with toxic chemicals and antibiotics as do NZ, but like NZ, we will no longer be able to grow pears, so will then have to import them the way they do.

What's our pear industry worth?

Again, think about Australian jobs, our farmers, our capacity to sustain ourselves.

What did Gillard say about a sustainable Australia?

Oh, she meant us sustaining the industry of her choosing.

She'll probably go buy a few acres of land in PNG and grow pears over there, knowing ours will be all but wiped out by the time hers are ready to export to Australia.

Cool

We are looking at compromising a Billion dollar Australian pip-fruit industry, so Gillard can big note herself and appear to be getting something done on the international stage.

Is it worth the risk?

As much as they play this risk down...there was a very good reason why we wouldn't let NZ apples into our country to begin with...because once it gets in... we wont be able to grow other fruits, ie pears, nashi pears... NZ import all their pears for this reason.

Australian farmers first!

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Reply #64 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:44am

Fruit is sprayed for fire blight before it leaves New Zealand.
If our fruit growers feel they are an exception to the rule when it come to free trade they are wrong.
This whole thing has always been about protecting inefficient producers from competition, just like the hoo ha that the banana growers carry on with when Fillipina producers want to export here.
Its amazing what lame excuses some of our producers come up with to avoid competition and I for one hope this govt puts an end to it.

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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #65 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:52am

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Fruit is sprayed for fire blight before it leaves New Zealand.
If our fruit growers feel they are an exception to the rule when it come to free trade they are wrong.
This whole thing has always been about protecting inefficient producers from competition, just like the hoo ha that the banana growers carry on with when Fillipina producers want to export here.
Its amazing what lame excuses some of our producers come up with to avoid competition and I for one hope this govt puts an end to it.

Our fruit growers have a right to protect their own livelihoods, particularly if it stands to damage a billion dollar industry, which could n turn not only harm farmers and the industry itself....but will cost Australian jobs.

What do the Greens have to say about this?

And furthermore, do we want our fruit laced with harsh patricides and antibiotics , the way NZ apples are?

They can only manage the disease, and it will eventually compromise our fruit industry if it gets past.

Personally, I think Gillard knows she will be out on her ass by 2012, so isn't too worried about the deal she's struck with NZ... Grin

She's more into flogging her own product, NBN co to them.

Grin

Australian farmers first!

Not Julia Gillards global reputation. Sorry!

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Reply #66 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:59am

Australias businesses that are making headway on the international markets are the ones that shed the yoke of protectionism years ago.
Protectionist policies are short sighted and in the end lead to high prices, a large bill for taxpayers and inefficient industries.

As for the Greens, they believe in protectionist policies..I dont

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal Reply #67 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:01pm Ie.....Gillard wants NZ to sign up to our NBN, in exchange for their diseased apple trade. But the thing is, .....they have to agree to the NBN before the first apple arrives to Australia anyway...2012, by which stage, she will have been turfed. Not velly blight are they
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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal Reply #68 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:03pm Well, if Greens believe in environmentally protectionist policies, what have they said about Gillard diseased NZ apples? Or will they stay quiet if Gillard pays Bob's rent?
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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #69 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:04pm

In all my posts I have always declared myself to be a fervent supporter of free trade.
The origional Conservative Party in Australia (which eventually morphed into the Liberal Party) was called the Freetraders
The origional left wing party that morphed in the Labor Party was called the Protectionists.

Free trade goes hand in hand with a nations wealth and prosperity where as protectionism leads to a dead end.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal Reply #70 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:06pm FACT, if we can demonstrate how this diseased NZ apple trade will devastate our own fruit industry, (and roses too)... then we may appeal it again. This and have these diseased apples banned for another 90 years.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal Reply #71 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:08pm mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:06pm: FACT, if we can demonstrate how this diseased NZ apple trade will devastate our own fruit industry, (and roses too)... then we may appeal it again. This and have these diseased apples banned for another 90 years. off you go then, cods.
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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #72 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:09pm

Our fruit growers have a right to protect their own livelihoods, particularly if it stands to damage a billion dollar industry, which could in turn not only harm farmers at the gate, but a billion dollar Australian pip industry itself costing Australian jobs in the process.

So... would you put your pro-free trade ideals before the well being of our nations primary industries?

This and have the hide to call Australia home?

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Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal
Reply #73 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:10pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Our fruit growers have a right to protect their own livelihoods, particularly if it stands to damage a billion dollar industry, which could in turn not only harm farmers at the gate, but a billion dollar Australian pip industry itself costing Australian jobs in the process.

So... would you put your pro-free trade ideals before the well being of our nations primary industries?

This and have the hide to call Australia home?

you should do the testing, cods

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Aussey Farmers furious over Gillards apple deal Reply #74 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:12pm The first apples aren't due to arrive until 2012 anyway, and i'm sure our farmers will have much to say about it between now and then. The deal is hardly done! Typical of Gillard though, claiming victory before having gained success. She must have caught it off Bill Shorten, he's a bit that way.
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