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Reply #30 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:19pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:12pm:

I will never, ever, ever support homosexual people being allowed to be parents of children.

It is an intolerable situation and flies in the face of everything for which I stand.

Ok Andrei...thanks for being honest...
And for not using bogus arguments to try to justify it..

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Reply #31 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:21pm

Andrei,

So what happens when a heterosexual family man suddenly turns gay? Does mean he should no longer be allowed to be a parent to his children? What happens when a heterosexual female turns gay? Does that mean she should be no longer allowed to be a parent to her children?

What exactly is your problem with gay people parenting children?

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Reply #32 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:27am:

[quote]look, the homos cant have kids.
nature states that, not me.
If they cant have kids, they ain't meant them

When you get right down to it...'nature' says we aren't meant to do lots of things...

Nature states we aren't supposed to travel faster than 44.72km/h (the fastest human running speed) but we all travel at speeds over 100 km'h, in cars
Nature states we aren't supposed to fly, but we fly in planes..

Nature states we aren't supposed to live past 70...but we do, due to medical knowledge and surgery...

Nature says we aren't supposed to do lots of things, but our scientific skills allow us to....so why should reproduction be any different????

All those examples benefit us in some way. What's the net benefit to homos reproducing aginst the will of nature? Greater over population?Hardly beneficial.

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whatsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 573	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #33 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:24pm skippy. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:34pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:34am: culldav prob haggles over the $2 quote Oh smacking LOL sprinty, thats actually funny. Are you sure you're a kiwi? Save your $2 culldav. Skippy doing it free. He needs the practice as the Mardi Gras is coming up.
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Reply #34 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:25pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

I dare say Elton Johns child is going to have a far richer life than long term unemployed outer suburbs Bob and Brenda's kids

Being gay or straight makes no difference its the love of the parents that counts.
There are highly educated gay's and lesbian's with good careers that are financially secure that have a far greater prospect of bringing up loved, well rounded and successfull children than the typical intergenerational unemployed bogans in the outer suburbs that pump out kids by the dozen for the welfare payments.
I say lets ban the long term unemployed from breeding before we get stuck into the gay and lesbian community

Is there any argument FOR gay marrtaige/breeding/adoption that doesn't rely on a compariosn between the best of gays and the worst of heterosexuals? Be alot more convincing if we could compare apples with apples.

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Re: The case against homosexual parents
Reply #35 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:26pm

... wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:27am:

[quote]look, the homos cant have kids.
nature states that, not me.
If they cant have kids, they ain't meant them

When you get right down to it...'nature' says we aren't meant to do lots of things...

Nature states we aren't supposed to travel faster than 44.72km/h (the fastest human running speed) but we all travel at speeds over 100 km'h, in cars
Nature states we aren't supposed to fly, but we fly in planes..

Nature states we aren't supposed to live past 70...but we do, due to medical knowledge and surgery...

Nature says we aren't supposed to do lots of things, but our scientific skills allow us to....so why should reproduction be any different????

All those examples benefit us in some way. What's the net benefit to homos reproducing aginst the will of nature? Greater over population?Hardly beneficial.

No, the benefit is (or might be) safer, better homes for the children in question...

All that is 'needed' is the same requirements for gay adoptive parents as are used for hetero adoptive parents...no more, no less...

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Reply #36 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:26pm

Unless a gay/lesbian couple is trying to adopt/kidnap one of your kids I doubt it will ever effect anyone here, unless one of those kids becomes a surgeon and saves your life

Where as the intergenerational unemployed kids will probabaly end up breaking into your house flogging the stuff you have worked hard for and using your car for a toilet/drug den.

I have no problem with any loving, hard working parents gay or straight bringing up kids but I would sterilise everyone living 20kms outside of all our capital cities unless of course they can produce evidence of a high income, good housing and a tertiary education Wink

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whatsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 573	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #37 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:27pm <<So what happens when a heterosexual family man suddenly turns gay?>> Umm don't the p00fs claim to be born as p00fs not suddenly turn p00f.
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Re: The case against homosexual parents
Reply #38 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:30pm

whatsforme wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

<<So what happens when a heterosexual family man suddenly turns gay?>>

Umm don't the p00fs claim to be born as p00fs not suddenly turn p00f.

It depends on the age, societal position and family background....Lots of people realise, later in life, that they're gay and decide to move to a gay lifestyle...

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #39 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:30pm Well Wesley I am trying to show that there are wealthy, poor, good, bad, loving, resentfull, selfish, giving, uneducated, educated, ignorant, invloved etc parents out there and their sexuality has no influence on who they are as a person or a parent.
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Reply #40 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:33pm

... wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

I dare say Elton Johns child is going to have a far richer life than long term unemployed outer suburbs Bob and Brenda's kids

Being gay or straight makes no difference its the love of the parents that counts.
There are highly educated gay's and lesbian's with good careers that are financially secure that have a far greater prospect of bringing up loved, well rounded and successfull children than the typical intergenerational unemployed bogans in the outer suburbs that pump out kids by the dozen for the welfare payments.
I say lets ban the long term unemployed from breeding before we get stuck into the gay and lesbian community

Is there any argument FOR gay marrtaige/breeding/adoption that doesn't rely on a compariosn between the best of gays and the worst of heterosexuals? Be alot more convincing if we could compare apples with apples.

Wesley...WHY does there need to be???
The couple who can provide the 'best' life for the child should be the ONLY criteria...Which is better in your mind....a hetero couple, made up of an alcoholic mother and paedophile father, OR a gay couple made up of 2 loving, non addicted, non paedophillic parents (male OR female)???

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Reply #41 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:36pm

You will find whatsforme that some gay/lesbian people struggle with their identity when they are young so they get married have kids etc.
They may for example be afraid of being judged, ostresised from their families etc
Its only as they get older and wiser that they feel they can be themselves/come out.
They are not suddenly gay/lesbian, they have just taken awhile to come to terms with their sexuality and to trust the people around them.

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Reply #42 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:40pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:33pm:

... wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

I dare say Elton Johns child is going to have a far richer life than long term unemployed outer suburbs Bob and Brenda's kids

Being gay or straight makes no difference its the love of the parents that counts.
There are highly educated gay's and lesbian's with good careers that are financially secure that have a far greater prospect of bringing up loved, well rounded and successfull children than the typical intergenerational unemployed bogans in the outer suburbs that pump out kids by the dozen for the welfare payments.
I say lets ban the long term unemployed from breeding before we get stuck into the gay and lesbian community

Is there any argument FOR gay marrtaige/breeding/adoption that doesn't rely on a compariosn between the best of gays and the worst of heterosexuals? Be alot more convincing if we could compare apples with apples.

Wesley...WHY does there need to be???
The couple who can provide the 'best' life for the child should be the ONLY criteria...Which is better in your mind....a hetero couple, made up of an alcoholic mother and paedophile father, OR a gay couple made up of 2 loving, non addicted, non paedophillic parents (male OR female)???

Ahaaa but gays are 'just like you and I' aren't they?
So if that's the case, the gay couple are just as likely to be alcoholic paedophiles aren't they?

Let's face it, the 'queue' for adoption is waaaaay longer than the children available for adoption.

Of course, if they can make their own child, how could I object?

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Re: The case against homosexual parents
Reply #43 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:52pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

You will find whatsforme that some gay/lesbian people struggle with their identity when they are young so they get married have kids etc.
They may for example be afraid of being judged, ostresised from their families etc
Its only as they get older and wiser that they feel they can be themselves/come out.
They are not suddenly gay/lesbian, they have just taken awhile to come to terms with their sexuality and to trust the people around them.

I can see your point but I would think buzz and greensnake would rather top themselves than end up in bed with a naked woman and have to do the deed.

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Reply #44 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 4:28pm

... wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:33pm:

... wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

I dare say Elton Johns child is going to have a far richer life than long term unemployed outer suburbs Bob and Brenda's kids

Being gay or straight makes no difference its the love of the parents that counts.
There are highly educated gay's and lesbian's with good careers that are financially secure that have a far greater prospect of bringing up loved, well rounded and successfull children than the typical intergenerational unemployed bogans in the outer suburbs that pump out kids by the dozen for the welfare payments.
I say lets ban the long term unemployed from breeding before we get stuck into the gay and lesbian community

Is there any argument FOR gay marrtaige/breeding/adoption that doesn't rely on a compariosn between the best of gays and the worst of heterosexuals? Be alot more convincing if we could compare apples with apples.

Wesley...WHY does there need to be???
The couple who can provide the 'best' life for the child should be the ONLY criteria...Which is better in your mind....a hetero couple, made up of an alcoholic mother and paedophile father, OR a gay couple made up of 2 loving, non addicted, non paedophillic parents (male OR female)???

Ahaaa but gays are 'just like you and I' aren't they?
So if that's the case, the gay couple are just as likely to be alcoholic paedophiles aren't they?Let's face it, the 'queue' for adoption is waaaaay longer than the children available for adoption.

Of course, if they can make their own child, how could I object?

That's my point...Judge the prospective parents by their behaviour, not their sexuality...

If the parents are alcoholic,druggies or paedophilles, refuse them, irrespective of the parents sexual preferences...Why is it 'better' to allow drunk, or druggie or paedophile parents to adopt...JUST because they're heterosexual, when there are gay parents willing to adopt, who aren't alcoholics, druggies or paedophiles?????.....Do you see my point?? it's better to allow an upstanding, 'clean' couple to adopt, no matter their sexuality than it is to put the children at risk...

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