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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42466 Gender:	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #15 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 12:08pm it depends, kingsprintcyclist would have to look in a case by case basis.
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Re: The case against homosexual parents
Reply #16 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:22pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:27am:

look, the homos cant have kids.
nature states that, not me.
If they cant have kids, they ain't meant them

about 2 - 4 % of population are homo.
Few of that want kids.
What %age are we spending millions on to grant them something nature says "NO" to ?????

NO
We AREN'T

Sydney IVF does not refuse treatment to women because of marital status or sexual orientation. Single women and lesbian couples are welcome and treated with care and respect.

Will Medicare pay?

Medicare covers the treatment of IVF for medical infertility. If your doctor deems that your treatment is not for medical infertility (as is the case for many lesbian couples), then you will not receive a rebate.
Some other treatments, such as surrogacy, are also not covered by Medicare. It's best to check with your doctor at the start.

Patients who are not Australian citzens or residents are welcome at Sydney IVF, but are not covered by Medicare.

http://www.sydneyivf.com/Assistedconception/InVitroFertilisationIVF/WhocanhaveIV...

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #17 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:26pm What's your attitude to adoption by homosexuals buzz, if you are prepared to share it.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #18 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:34pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:34am: culldav prob haggles over the $2 quote Oh smacking LOL sprinty, thats actually funny. Are you sure you're a kiwi?
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Reply #19 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:45pm

First off, it depends of what your definition of “knowing” someone is. The family live a few houses down from my nephews rented place, and they are well known with a substantial community reputation.

These 2 adults in question should have been sterilised at birth, and didn’t deserve to have children. These 3 kids deserved to be raised in a loving caring home, not a hell hole.

My point was that heterosexual families are not the only beacon for role models for happy family units, and that there is good and bad in all society units.

Shouldn’t the emphasis be placed on who can provide a child with a happy secure loving home & environment regardless of sexuality?

Even the most long-term loving relationships break up sometimes and the children of these families are left living in homes where there is only a male or female parent.

If children are raised in single male and female heterosexual homes, then what’s the difference with them being raise in same sex homes?

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Re: The case against homosexual parents
Reply #20 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:46pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

What's your attitude to adoption by homosexuals buzz, if you are prepared to share it.

I don't have a problem with it

Fostering is encouraged - and not un-common
I've personally seen a couple of kids brought up by same sex parents
There are no "issues" that come up that don't come up with hetrosexual child rearing

If a same sex couple meet the adoption criteria, I see no reason for any further barriers

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Reply #21 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:50pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

I would put it another way and ask: what is the case for it?
What woody and others just can't see is that, regardless of the worthiness otherwise of the homosexual parent, there is one big strike against them. The question of role model.

Sorry, bogarde, but the overriding concern in adoptive or foster parents (or even biological parenting) is and should be the welfare of the child/children.....

And the question of 'role models' would still apply equally to a single parent family..

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Reply #22 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:54pm

culldav wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:45pm:

First off, it depends of what your definition of “knowing” someone is. The family live a few houses down from my nephews rented place, and they are well known with a substantial community reputation.

These 2 adults in question should have been sterilised at birth, and didn’t deserve to have children. These 3 kids deserved to be raised in a loving caring home, not a hell hole.

My point was that heterosexual families are not the only beacon for role models for happy family units, and that there is good and bad in all society units.

Shouldn’t the emphasis be placed on who can provide a child with a happy secure loving home & environment regardless of sexuality?
Even the most long-term loving relationships break up sometimes and the children of these families are left living in homes where there is only a male or female parent.

If children are raised in single male and female heterosexual homes, then what’s the difference with them being raise in same sex homes?

Yes, but they have to be able to provide a child with life in the first place.

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culldav Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2020	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #23 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:15pm A gay male can provide sperm and a gay female can provide a egg, and the combination can create life, can it not?
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Reply #24 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:21pm

culldav wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

A gay male can provide sperm and a gay female can provide a egg, and the combination can create life, can it not?

Of course it can, if they can bring themselves to do the deed. I couldn't root a bloke no matter what, and I assume the sentiment is much the same to a gay bloke rooting a shiela.

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Reply #25 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:23pm

culldav wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

A gay male can provide sperm and a gay female can provide a egg, and the combination can create life, can it not?

Happens fairly regularly at the moment anyway...Both ways too....lots of gay male couples use a gay female as a surrogate for adoption and lots of gay female couples use a gay male as a sperm donor for in vivo ( or in vitro) fertilisations...

So technically, gay couples CAN have children..as can sterile heterosexual couples..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #26 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:37pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 10:27am:

[quote]look, the homos cant have kids.
nature states that, not me.
If they cant have kids, they ain't meant them

When you get right down to it...'nature' says we aren't meant to do lots of things...

Nature states we aren't supposed to travel faster than 44.72km/h (the fastest human running speed) but we all travel at speeds over 100 km'h, in cars
Nature states we aren't supposed to fly, but we fly in planes..

Nature states we aren't supposed to live past 70...but we do, due to medical knowledge and surgery...

Nature says we aren't supposed to do lots of things, but our scientific skills allow us to....so why should reproduction be any different????

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: The case against homosexual parents
Reply #27 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 2:51pm

I personally think it entirely depends on the individuals, and everyone else is entitled to their opinions, but they should stay out of other people personal business and private decision making.

Nature is a fantastic teacher, but it also indicates that only 3% of the species on this planet are monogamous. Being human being we something have to look out side the square.

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Reply #28 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:04pm

I dare say Elton Johns child is going to have a far richer life than long term unemployed outer suburbs Bob and Brenda's kids

Being gay or straight makes no difference its the love of the parents that counts.
There are highly educated gay's and lesbian's with good careers that are financially secure that have a far greater prospect of bringing up loved, well rounded and successfull children than the typical intergenerational unemployed bogans in the outer suburbs that pump out kids by the dozen for the welfare payments.
I say lets ban the long term unemployed from breeding before we get stuck into the gay and lesbian community

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The case against homosexual parents Reply #29 - Feb 17^th, 2011 at 3:12pm I will never, ever, ever support homosexual people being allowed to be parents of children. It is an intolerable situation and flies in the face of everything for which I stand.
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