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Reply #30 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:34am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:25am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

Good on Joe Hockey.....I am starting to like Joe....He is the most sensible member of the Coalition along with Turnbull!!!

I am too, show he's human. How come the Liberals always get rid of the good guys. Brendan Nelson, Turnbull ousted, and now Hockeys on the naughty list.

I agree that Hockey is one of the best of a bad bunch but I don't trust him - in the past, he's shown that he's been prepared to go against his own moral judgement - albeit in not quite as slimy and bigoted a way as Morrison is obviously disposed...

That said, his body language seemed genuine yesterday - he looked both disgusted and fearful - both ashamed that his party had stooped so low and afraid that he would face an internal backlash for speaking out...

All due kudos to him, tho' - for having the fortitude and courage to speak out on this - probably even after being warned or threatened by party insiders, about the consequences for his standing within the party!

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Coalition figures divided over use of taxpayers' f Reply #31 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:38am The way I see it Hockey has two choices 1 challenge Abbott and return the Liberal party to its former Liberal self, pre Howard days. 2 Take Turnbull and all the other moderates and form a new moderate party, in the same vein that Menzies did.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Coalition figures divided over use of taxpayers' f Reply #32 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:59am The funniest thing is watching some of you crazies predicting the coalition to be 'crushed' by labor. Did you odd-balls actually see the last election and the current polls?
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Reply #33 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

The funniest thing is watching some of you crazies predicting the coalition to be 'crushed' by labor. Did you odd-balls actually see the last election and the current polls?

Did you see the decadent coffins that these distraught 'illegals' and 'queue jumpers' were provided by Aussie taxpayers to bury their loved ones in!?

Raw particle board, beautifully-adorned - not with a name plaque - but with a scribbled number in marking pen (and complete with crossing-out)!?

http://www.news.com.au/national/morrison-sorry-for-insensitive-and-inappropriate...

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Coalition figures divided over use of taxpayers' f Reply #34 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:17pm If they weren't trying to illegally enter Australia, they would still be alive. I have no time for it all.
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Reply #35 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:23pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:34am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:25am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

Good on Joe Hockey.....I am starting to like Joe....He is the most sensible member of the Coalition along with Turnbull!!!

I am too, show he's human. How come the Liberals always get rid of the good guys. Brendan Nelson, Turnbull ousted, and now Hockeys on the naughty list.

I agree that Hockey is one of the best of a bad bunch but I don't trust him - in the past, he's shown that he's been prepared to go against his own moral judgement - albeit in not quite as slimy and bigoted a way as Morrison is obviously disposed...

That said, his body language seemed genuine yesterday - he looked both disgusted and fearful - both ashamed that his party had stooped so low and afraid that he would face an internal backlash for speaking out...

All due kudos to him, tho' - for having the fortitude and courage to speak out on this - probably even after being warned or threatened by party insiders, about the consequences for his standing within the party!

Anyone else remember the you tubes from a few years ago showing the young liberals parading around Nazi saluting, yelling degrading remarks about rape & women?
All laughed off as youthful exhuberence by the party, well seem like those young'ns would now be old enough to be advisors to ministers etc.
And going on form ARE.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Coalition figures divided over use of taxpayers' f Reply #36 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm Smithy come on, that's ludicrous. Julia Gillard was a card-carrying Communist who wanted to twin Melbourne with Leningrad when she was younger. Is that the same thing?
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Reply #37 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

The funniest thing is watching some of you crazies predicting the coalition to be 'crushed' by labor. Did you odd-balls actually see the last election and the current polls?

You never get it right,old man.
I dont expect the coalition to get crushed by Labor, the coalition will get crushed by the coalition, as it always does.
I have seen the polls, Abbott is still way behind Gillard as preferred PM, Abbott is gone, far to many mistakes in the last week, his imitation of a late term Parkinson's disease sufferer last week was the clincher, the knifes are out, and so is Abbott, there is only one question on the lips of coalition members, who's next?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Coalition figures divided over use of taxpayers' f Reply #38 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:31pm skippy. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:29pm: his imitation of a late term Parkinson's disease sufferer last week was the clincher, He is all class is this Aussie ocker.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Coalition figures divided over use of taxpayers' f Reply #39 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:33pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:31pm: skippy. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:29pm: his imitation of a late term Parkinson's disease sufferer last week was the clincher, He is all class is this Aussie ocker. Thanks for the troll,Lord sperm breath.
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Reply #40 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:37pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Smithy come on, that's ludicrous.

Julia Gillard was a card-carrying Communist who wanted to twin Melbourne with Leningrad when she was younger.

Is that the same thing?

Oh come on Andrei it's as plausible as some of the other garbage we read on here.
Besides I'm a little board at the moment(should be doing the wages)
so grant me a little sh!t stir Cheesy

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Reply #41 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

If they weren't trying to illegally enter Australia, they would still be alive.

I have no time for it all.

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Reply #42 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:40pm

Hmmnnnn...Hockey's stance may have been part of a more-concerted tilt at the leadership...

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/tv-tonsil-hockey-shortcircuited...

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TV tonsil hockey short-circuited

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February 15, 2011

WAS IT a cunning plan by Joe Hockey and Bill Shorten to boost their profiles, a ploy by Mr Hockey to use Mr Shorten to destabilise Julia Gillard, or a combination of something in between?

We shall never know, because Mr Shorten pulled the pin on the idea that he and Mr Hockey become regular sparring partners on the high-rating Channel Seven breakfast show, Sunrise.

The show is responsible for one prime minister already.

Kevin Rudd squared off against Mr Hockey each Friday for more than a year, building a popular profile that helped him to gain the prime ministership. At the time, Mr Hockey was frowned upon by his superiors for indirectly facilitating Mr Rudd's rise.

The Herald has learnt that in recent months, Mr Hockey has been working on revitalising the concept. He first approached Mr Rudd, who declined, so he began working on Mr Shorten, the Assistant Treasurer.

Mr Shorten is generally regarded as ambitious and the Liberals will tell anyone within earshot that he is out to depose Julia Gillard as prime minister.

Given Sunrise's reputation, Mr Shorten would have sent the rumour mill running had he gone ahead with the idea.

He did agree but last Thursday, the day before their first joint appearance, he pulled out, much to the annoyance of Mr Hockey. Mr Shorten said he wanted to get on with his work and he did not want to play a part in helping Mr Hockey build his profile to knock off the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott.

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Reply #43 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:45pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:23pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:34am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:25am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

Good on Joe Hockey.....I am starting to like Joe....He is the most sensible member of the Coalition along with Turnbull!!!

I am too, show he's human. How come the Liberals always get rid of the good guys. Brendan Nelson, Turnbull ousted, and now Hockeys on the naughty list.

I agree that Hockey is one of the best of a bad bunch but I don't trust him - in the past, he's shown that he's been prepared to go against his own moral judgement - albeit in not quite as slimy and bigoted a way as Morrison is obviously disposed...

That said, his body language seemed genuine yesterday - he looked both disgusted and fearful - both ashamed that his party had stooped so low and afraid that he would face an internal backlash for speaking out...

All due kudos to him, tho' - for having the fortitude and courage to speak out on this - probably even after being warned or threatened by party insiders, about the consequences for his standing within the party!

Anyone else remember the you tubes from a few years ago showing the young liberals parading around Nazi saluting, yelling degrading remarks about rape & women?
All laughed off as youthful exhuberence by the party, well seem like those young'ns would now be old enough to be advisors to ministers etc.
And going on form ARE.

Oh yeah - how'd it go: "We're racist, we're sexist, we're homophobic!?" - see about 1:30 into this video: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXtWxxVngV4&feature=player_embedded

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Reply #44 - Feb 16^th, 2011 at 4:45pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

The funniest thing is watching some of you crazies predicting the coalition to be 'crushed' by labor. Did you odd-balls actually see the last election and the current polls?

You never get it right,old man.
I dont expect the coalition to get crushed by Labor, the coalition will get crushed by the coalition, as it always does.
I have seen the polls, Abbott is still way behind Gillard as preferred PM, Abbott is gone, far to many mistakes in the last week, his imitation of a late term Parkinson's disease sufferer last week was the clincher, the knifes are out, and so is Abbott, there is only one question on the lips of coalition members, who's next?

so many statements... so many errors... For all you crazies that think someone should take the Libs back to the 'pre-howard days' perhaps you forget that those days were when they couldn win unlosable elections.

as for your unshakabley stupid analysis of the polls it might be worth trying to understand that the PM is chosen by the party that wins the most seats - not the one with the highest 'preferred PM' figure. It is embarrassing to have to explain it to morons like you.

less than 4 years into labors 'reign' abbot has them trailing in the polls and dropping like a stone. Abbott wont be dumped with that kind of record, particularly when the very existance of labor govt is dependant on every single vote,, no byelections, deaths or scandals. He is the next PM.

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