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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead Reply #30 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:34am If I was polled tomorrow, I would say if push comes to shove I would back Tony Abbott's Liberal party. Does that mean I think he is a good leader and a good potential PM? No. I just think he is the less worse option that an incredibly inept current PM. Both leaders are poor in comparison to prior PMs.
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Reply #31 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:35am

Does that mean Abbott is a good man, or would make a good PM?
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Turn it the other way around ernie...........these latest poll results................does that mean the Gillard is a good person or that she is doing a good job as PM? In case you haven't noticed, Labor is going out backwards so there MUST be something wrong? What is it do you think? Couldn't be all the lies, spin, broken promises, profligate spending of taxpayers money, incompetence, OR forming a coalition with the loony Greens could it ernie?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead Reply #32 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:36am Julia Gillard is a poor PM, I think you'd find that its a pretty universal opinion.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead Reply #33 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:37am Before we all wet our pants at the thought of Mr Abbott PM, I'd like to point out for this to happen 3 Indepedents have to withdraw their support. It's up to them not polls.not us,not Abbott. From Insiders yesterday that seems unlikely. But enjoy your day in the sun
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Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead
Reply #34 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:38am

sandysquirrel18 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:35am:

Does that mean Abbott is a good man, or would make a good PM?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Turn it the other way around ernie...........these latest poll results................does that mean the Gillard is a good person or that she is doing a good job as PM? In case you haven't noticed, Labor is going out backwards so there MUST be something wrong? What is it do you think? Couldn't be all the lies, spin, broken promises, profligate spending of taxpayers money, incompetence, OR forming a coalition with the loony Greens could it ernie?

I'll just point out that I have never defended Gillard.

Does the fact that I think less of Gillard mean I think Abbott is a suitable subsitute? No way. NO WAY.

He's a clown.

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Reply #35 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:54am

Please delete wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

sandysquirrel18 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:35am:

Does that mean Abbott is a good man, or would make a good PM?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Turn it the other way around ernie...........these latest poll results................does that mean the Gillard is a good person or that she is doing a good job as PM? In case you haven't noticed, Labor is going out backwards so there MUST be something wrong? What is it do you think? Couldn't be all the lies, spin, broken promises, profligate spending of taxpayers money, incompetence, OR forming a coalition with the loony Greens could it ernie?

I'll just point out that I have never defended Gillard.

Does the fact that I think less of Gillard mean I think Abbott is a suitable subsitute? No way. NO WAY.

He's a clown.

Yes but his their clown Ernie.
Surely you realise it's got NOTHING to do with what's best for the nation.
Abbott could be PM doing exactly what Gillards doing & they'd be behind the decisions 100%.
Our problem is we voice dissent & our displeasure at where the government is at, you will NEVER hear anything of the sort from most right leaning supporters here.
It's a school yard pissing contest for them, nah nah our teams been in power longer.

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Reply #36 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:58am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:37am:

Before we all wet our pants at the thought of Mr Abbott PM, I'd like to point out for this to happen 3 Indepedents have to withdraw their support.
It's up to them not polls.not us,not Abbott.
From Insiders yesterday that seems unlikely.
But enjoy your day in the sun Wink

One of the most interesting issues coming up (yet again) is this whole carbon tax. I don't know where the independents stand but this is will make/break ol' Kath & Kim's tenure I reckon.

Julia Gillard said she would not have a carbon tax in this parliament, she has now completely reversed that opinion. Ok fine, people can change their mind and I will buy that.

However, we know several things.

+ The Liberal party will be 100% against and cannot be counted on for a single vote.

+ Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton, Bluescope Steel and other large giants are demanding concessions for carbon intensive manufacturing and production. If they don't get concessions they will 'open a can of whoopass' on Gillard's Government in the form of strong attacks - they basically ended Rudd (though numerous things brought him down).

+ The Greens have demanded NO concessions to manufacturing and re-iterated that position this week. They voted down the last carbon tax bill.

If the carbon tax fails, that's a hell of a loss.
Obviously personally I hope it does fail. Not because of wanting Gillard to fail, but because I don't believe taxing people more is the answer.

This will play out all within 12 months of an election....

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Reply #37 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:05am

Notwithstanding that I am wary of such a dramatic shift towards the Libs in the context of the past few weeks, there is good news for the Labs to be drawn from the headlines of this poll: -

TONY ABBOTT IS LIKELY TO HANG ONTO LIB LEADERSHIP

That said, I reckon that I'm not the only one shaking my head in utter shock and disbelief over the TPP result - and that a lot of people are now asking themselves:

"How do you solve a problem like Tony Abbott!?"

Contrary to the article below, the Libs will have to face the backlash of many of the Conservatives in the community, if they dare to attempt to ditch Abbott now - given their flocking confected outrage over the so-called "Political assassination of a popularly-elected leader"!

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/liberal-party-unity-splinters/story-e6frg12c-122...

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Liberal Party unity in splinters

* Phillip Hudson
* From: Herald Sun
* February 14, 2011 6:36AM

SOME federal Liberals want a leadership spill to lance the boil of disunity.

While senior figures say Tony Abbott and his deputy, Julie Bishop, would be re-elected easily, they have resisted calls to put it to the vote.

"Instability is unpredictable, but if you called a ballot, no one could be certain who would run and what would happen," one Liberal said.

In the latest bout of unrest, finance spokesman Andrew Robb today made early morning phone calls to Mr Abbott and shadow treasurer Joe Hockey to apologise for leaving the "wrong impression" after the Sunday Herald Sun said he had told Mr Hockey he wanted his job.

Mr Robb also issued a statement saying the article was a "stitch-up" and he had been referring to a conversation with Mr Hockey seven months ago.

Mr Robb has previously flagged his desire to be treasury spokesman and after last year's election, mounted a failed bid to replace Ms Bishop. Today, he said he was not challenging any colleague.

Mr Abbott ruled out a reshuffle and yesterday said Mr Robb's statement "completely deals with the matter".

But senior Liberals are angry about the "unnecessary distraction" created by stories concerning internal jostling for positions and clashes between Mr Abbott and Ms Bishop over foreign aid.

One said it detracted from the scrutiny that should be placed on the Government.

"Fires are breaking out on so many fronts, just as well Abbott's a volunteer firefighter," quipped one Liberal.

Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne defended Ms Bishop and said ambition was good, but Libs should focus on removing a poor government.

"The advice to all my colleagues would be that the job that they should all want is the job of their opposite number in government," Mr Pyne told Channel 10's Meet the Press program.

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* Coalition hits the lead in latest poll

Stay tuned, folks - there's much more turmoil ahead...

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Reply #38 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:16am

The main turmoil will take place in this parliament over the issue I have mentioned.

On that subject Tony Abbott and his party are the only ones with a defined, non-movable position.

The Greens will have to move.
Labor will have to move.
The multi-nationals will have to compromise.

If none do, the tax will fail, as will Gillard's last remaining credibility.

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Reply #39 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:17am

Don't be surprised if Gillard calls an election mid-year. She can't possibly get her abomination of a carbon tax passed if the Greens stay as uncompromising as they are at the moment. Gillard will achieve nothing with those loonies calling the shots.

Labor has well and truly lost it's way - it is nothing like the Labor Party of old and unless Labor return to it's core values, then they are doomed. Labor stood for something once, but now, all they stand for is spin, higher taxes, debt and policy backflips

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Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead
Reply #40 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:01am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 12:42am:

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C'mon now buzz, don't forget to tell us that this is another 'rogue' poll

You're a little

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That was Gary Morgan's (of Morgan Research) phrase
Repeated by Longweekend - attributing it to myself - incorrectly
I have never used it

You used it for a polls several weeks before newspoll used the term. And the biggest laugh is that he was wrong too! it was NOT a rogue result as it was confirmed by other polls.

Firstly - it wasn't Newspoll that used the description
It was Morgan Research, on a Newspoll finding of 01/11/09
I quoted Gary Morgan
Prior to that, I was unfamiliar with the industry term

He was PROBABLY right

The massive EIGHT point shift went into rapid reversal on the following Newspoll

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/100103%20Federal%20Voting%20Intention%2...

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead Reply #41 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:29am I supported Buzz on this assertion that he was incorrectly quoted on this and still do. Buzz - it would be nice if you would also correct your comment that I paid 80% of my tax to the UK Government - which is false.
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead Reply #42 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:34am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:36am: Julia Gillard is a poor PM, I think you'd find that its a pretty universal opinion. Yet STILL preferred PM over Abbott What does that make HIM ?
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Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead
Reply #43 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:58am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:37am:

Before we all wet our pants at the thought of Mr Abbott PM, I'd like to point out for this to happen 3 Indepedents have to withdraw their support.
It's up to them not polls.not us,not Abbott.
From Insiders yesterday that seems unlikely.
But enjoy your day in the sun Wink

One of the most interesting issues coming up (yet again) is this whole carbon tax. I don't know where the independents stand but this is will make/break ol' Kath & Kim's tenure I reckon.

Julia Gillard said she would not have a carbon tax in this parliament, she has now completely reversed that opinion. Ok fine, people can change their mind and I will buy that.

However, we know several things.

+ The Liberal party will be 100% against and cannot be counted on for a single vote.

+ Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton, Bluescope Steel and other large giants are demanding concessions for carbon intensive manufacturing and production. If they don't get concessions they will 'open a can of whoopass' on Gillard's Government in the form of strong attacks - they basically ended Rudd (though numerous things brought him down).

+ The Greens have demanded NO concessions to manufacturing and re-iterated that position this week. They voted down the last carbon tax bill.

If the carbon tax fails, that's a hell of a loss.
Obviously personally I hope it does fail. Not because of wanting Gillard to fail, but because I don't believe taxing people more is the answer.

This will play out all within 12 months of an election....

I agree 100% Andrei, not because I oppose the tax but that I am a realist.
The major companies will do exactly as you say seeing the capitulation on the mining tax, & frankly we are too selfish to give a toss what happens to others around the world or generations yet to be born.
Smok'em if you've got'em
The best thing is I'll be dead by the time the worst is happening, as for our children Andrei..........well why should we care.

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Re: Abbott takes election-winning lead
Reply #44 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:29am:

Buzz - it would be nice if you would also correct your comment that I paid 80% of my tax to the UK Government - which is false.

Would that not be because you conspired with your employer, to exploit international tax loopholes and evade as much taxation as possible - and laundered your earnings around the globe in order to utilise a Channel Islands tax haven!?

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