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Reply #90 - May 20th, 2013 at 1:48pm
 
Swagman wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
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Goody goodies are people that want to take your hard earned by force and resdistribute it to the down trodden.

Voluntary redistribution of income to the down trodden is charity.

Forced redistribution of income to the down trodden is theft.



The well-off have a social and moral obligation to assist those who are less well-off.

When they refuse to do so (a la Aussie conservatives) then they should be forced to by law.

That's not theft, and it's not 'communism'.

That's a fair, civilized society where everyone benefits. A totally foreign concept to conservatives, sadly.
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Re: Middle class welfare
Reply #91 - May 20th, 2013 at 1:56pm
 
Kat wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Swagman wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Reply #79

Goody goodies are people that want to take your hard earned by force and resdistribute it to the down trodden.

Voluntary redistribution of income to the down trodden is charity.

Forced redistribution of income to the down trodden is theft.



The well-off have a social and moral obligation to assist those who are less well-off.

When they refuse to do so (a la Aussie conservatives) then they should be forced to by law.

That's not theft, and it's not 'communism'.

That's a fair, civilized society where everyone benefits. A totally foreign concept to conservatives, sadly.


Missing out are you pussie try working


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Reply #92 - May 20th, 2013 at 8:31pm
 
woody2014 wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 1:56pm:
Kat wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Swagman wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Reply #79

Goody goodies are people that want to take your hard earned by force and resdistribute it to the down trodden.

Voluntary redistribution of income to the down trodden is charity.

Forced redistribution of income to the down trodden is theft.



The well-off have a social and moral obligation to assist those who are less well-off.

When they refuse to do so (a la Aussie conservatives) then they should be forced to by law.

That's not theft, and it's not 'communism'.

That's a fair, civilized society where everyone benefits. A totally foreign concept to conservatives, sadly.


Missing out are you pussie try working


Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink



Ah, the standard put-down.

If that's all you've got, better pyss off now.

Frankly, I don't know why you're even here, you contribute nothing to the forum.

I have a job, thanks very much, so you might as well put your prejudice and stereotypes away too.

Goose!
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Reply #93 - May 20th, 2013 at 11:18pm
 
"Then we used to tie an onion to our belt, which was the style at the time."
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Reply #94 - May 20th, 2013 at 11:20pm
 
Kat wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Swagman wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
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Goody goodies are people that want to take your hard earned by force and resdistribute it to the down trodden.

Voluntary redistribution of income to the down trodden is charity.

Forced redistribution of income to the down trodden is theft.



The well-off have a social and moral obligation to assist those who are less well-off.

When they refuse to do so (a la Aussie conservatives) then they should be forced to by law.

That's not theft, and it's not 'communism'.

That's a fair, civilized society where everyone benefits. A totally foreign concept to conservatives, sadly.


Say that is true - what obligation do the less well off  have in return?
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Reply #95 - May 21st, 2013 at 5:52am
 
Kat wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Swagman wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Reply #79

Goody goodies are people that want to take your hard earned by force and resdistribute it to the down trodden.

Voluntary redistribution of income to the down trodden is charity.

Forced redistribution of income to the down trodden is theft.



The well-off have a social and moral obligation to assist those who are less well-off.

When they refuse to do so (a la Aussie conservatives) then they should be forced to by law.

That's not theft, and it's not 'communism'.

That's a fair, civilized society where everyone benefits. A totally foreign concept to conservatives, sadly.


Right, Kat, it's not theft, it's taxation.
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Reply #96 - May 21st, 2013 at 6:50am
 
A Class Warefare State. Where our government only help and support the GREEDY in our society with middle class welfare.
And the Greedy do not need it.
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Reply #97 - May 21st, 2013 at 2:38pm
 
Swagman wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
If you are a single male with no kids on a decent wage you are open season for all the goody goodies and the politicians queueing up to rip you off.

You get absolutely stuff all from the Govt other than tax increases.


Well, that's fine, because single males with no kids don't really need that much money. While I am sure some of them do want kids in the future, we should wait until they get a woman pregnant first.

warrigal wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 5:20am:
But our society does expects its people to have kids.

You have a good job and a family.

What are we told by our government, We support Working Familys, Well before you can have Working familys you have to first have working Individuals.

There is nothing voluntary about that, it is exspectrd by our society.


From my experience it's your parents or your married friends who expect you to have kids. There is less pressure on you from other singles to have kids. I think everyone should make up their own mind as to whether they want kids and not submit to other people's expectations.

Kat wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 9:35am:
Actually, after WW2, society did precisely that ('Populate or Perish').

So people did, to replace those killed in the war.

And now that same society wants to penalise those kids by working them to the grave, and stealing their pensions/super. And seems to think we somehow 'owe' it.

Here's a news-flash... We don't. Society owes us. An apology, at least, if nothing else.


If having kids was our patriotic duty, I don't hear the government saying much about it. If it is really so important for us to have kids, it's the government's job to make laws to force us to do that. Unfortunately, the government doesn't seem to have the courage to do that because it isn't PC. Well, good for us. Where's the tough love? Why does the government like using the carrot more than the stick?
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Reply #98 - May 21st, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
Well here is a favorite saying from Gillard and Swan.

We Support working families.

Working families meaning adults and kids together as a group.
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Reply #99 - May 21st, 2013 at 3:10pm
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on May 21st, 2013 at 5:52am:
Right, Kat, it's not theft, it's taxation.


Gross income is really just an indication of your market value. It is not, however, an indication of your personal needs or the effort you put into your work. If income is an indication of the value of your work, then its significance is relative. It tells you that your work is better than someone else's work. Because it's relative, however, the number itself is not a true measure of the value of your work. It's how you compare to everyone else that is important.

We could adjust people's net income without affecting their relative "ranking" in terms of gross income. I would only regard it as "theft" if a high-income earner doesn't end up better off than a low-income earner. If taxes don't deprive me of my relative position in the "ladder" or "hierarchy" of gross income, I wouldn't see it as theft. It's because it hasn't robbed me of my sense of self-worth. Salaries and wages are just ego-boosters.

I think there should be limits on income tax as well as limits on people's net income. There needs to be a balance. Income tax should never be so high so as to result in a net income for a particular person that is lower than someone else with a lower gross income. The relationship between gross income and net income should be a one-to-one function. A higher gross income should always result in a higher net income. I don't agree with the concept in France where they effectively reduced the net income to zero for some people.

Swagman wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
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Goody goodies are people that want to take your hard earned by force and resdistribute it to the down trodden.

Voluntary redistribution of income to the down trodden is charity.

Forced redistribution of income to the down trodden is theft.


The money isn't your's until you get paid and you put it in the bank. Once the money goes into your bank account, they can't touch it. It's only then that it's theft. I can understand the feeling of doing all that hard work and not getting what you wanted out of it, but the important thing is that you still end up better off than someone with a lower gross income. You may not be able to afford that new house, but at least you're still better off.
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Reply #100 - May 21st, 2013 at 3:15pm
 
warrigal wrote on May 21st, 2013 at 2:52pm:
Well here is a favorite saying from Gillard and Swan.

We Support working families.

Working families meaning adults and kids together as a group.


That's not the same thing as telling you that you should be having kids. It's more like they're feeling sorry for those who have chosen to have kids and are offering help to those who have them.
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