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Reply #90 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 11:20pm
 


Whilst I was showering a few minutes ago, I got to wondering...

How many Lib supporters earning $100K incorrectly calculated that they'd be up for $1,000pa - and thought they could snag a bargain by responding to Abbott's now-infamous email with a $250 or $500 donation to the Libs...

Aren't they gonna be pissed-off with the Lib scaremongering campaign, when they see the pissy amount coming out of their pay packets each week after July 1 - not to mention when they get around to lodging their 2012 Tax Returns a matter of months out from the next Federal Election...

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Reply #91 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 11:31pm
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 11:20pm:
Whilst I was showering a few minutes ago, I got to wondering...

How many Lib supporters earning $100K incorrectly calculated that they'd be up for $1,000pa - and thought they could snag a bargain by responding to Abbott's now-infamous email with a $250 or $500 donation to the Libs...

Aren't they gonna be pissed-off with the Lib scaremongering campaign, when they see the pissy amount coming out of their pay packets each week after July 1 - not to mention when they get around to lodging their 2012 Tax Returns a matter of months out from the next Federal Election...




Not nearly as pissed off as Labors voting minorities and refugees who had hoped to call Australia home, though are now preparing to be shuttled back off over seas, in accordance with Labors new 'select' migration plan, and it's accompanying MoU's.

Night.

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Reply #92 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 7:54am
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 11:20pm:
Whilst I was showering a few minutes ago, I got to wondering...

How many Lib supporters earning $100K incorrectly calculated that they'd be up for $1,000pa - and thought they could snag a bargain by responding to Abbott's now-infamous email with a $250 or $500 donation to the Libs...

Aren't they gonna be pissed-off with the Lib scaremongering campaign, when they see the pissy amount coming out of their pay packets each week after July 1 - not to mention when they get around to lodging their 2012 Tax Returns a matter of months out from the next Federal Election...




the levy hasnt got through the lower house yet .. Wilkie isnt all that impressed with it.still she will probably bend to his wishes.. this I think is pretty much a do or die for her.

if it all goes pearshaped it will all hang on her head she has nowhere to hide.
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Reply #93 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:35am
 
As always though - I find it hypocritical for some people to say 'it really isn't very much you have to pay' from people that

1) Won't be paying themselves
2) Through personal choice have never known what its like to run a family budget

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Reply #94 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:15am
 


The Flood Levy is a step closer today, with Fielding the latest MP to announce that he intends to back Gillard's proposal...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/14/3137763.htm

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Fielding throws support behind flood levy

Updated 1 hour 47 minutes ago

    * Related Story: Windsor leaning against flood levy
    * Related Story: Reluctant Katter backs flood levy

The Federal Government has secured the support of a key senator and one of Australia's biggest unions for its proposed flood levy.

Family First Senator Steve Fielding has agreed to vote for the levy after the Government offered to fast-track $500 million for floods rebuilding in his state of Victoria.

Senator Fielding says he has also been assured the Government will examine a permanent natural disaster fund.

He says he does not want politics to stand in the way of rebuilding.

"Just because the Queensland Government has been physically irresponsible in failing to take out adequate flood insurance it doesn't mean people in flood-affected areas like in Victoria and other states should be left to suffer while politicians squabble in Canberra," he said.

Senator Fielding's support brings the Government one step closer to securing the deal, but it still needs to win support from crossbench MPs to get the legislation through.

Last week, Independent MP Bob Katter, whose electorate of Kennedy was hit hard by Cyclone Yasi, said he had little choice but to support the move.

"They've got me boxed in haven't they? I mean, we've had colossal losses," he said.

But fellow Independent Tony Windsor says he is leaning away from supporting the levy.

Mr Windsor says he would prefer the Government fund the reconstruction by extending the budget deficit.

"It seems to me this preoccupation with being back in surplus by 2012-13... I don't think that's necessarily the correct course," he said.

Meanwhile, Australian Workers Union (AWU) national secretary Paul Howes says the levy is a "smart" and "sensible" response to the natural disaster.

"I think that it's in our national interest to have a small once-off levy to pay for the reconstruction of our country," he said.

"But I also believe it's in our national interest to balance the budget and I also believe it's in our national interest to continue spending in other key areas which needs to be done, which is why I think the Government has struck the right balance."

The AWU's biennial National Conference begins on Queensland's Gold Coast today.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard will deliver the keynote addresses at a dinner tonight to celebrate the union's 125th birthday.

Premier Anna Bligh will address the conference this morning.

Mr Howes says delegates will also discuss how to work with the government to manage cost of living pressures.

"We will make sure that our members get a fair share of the profits that their companies make," he said.

"But as a wider social movement, we need to start thinking outside the box and look for new solutions for how we can help working Australians on the whole deal with the increasing pressures that many are feeling due to the increasing cost of living pressures.

"We need to plan out our actions and plans to improve the lives of working people over the coming years during the few days we're meeting here on the Gold Coast.

"I'm pretty sure we'll come out with some unique and positive ideas to build a better society for all Australians."



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Reply #95 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:17am
 
Incidentally - if it is 'such a small amount'.....



Why isn't everyone paying it?
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Reply #96 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:24am
 


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:17am:
Incidentally - if it is 'such a small amount'.....


Why isn't everyone paying it?



Two words, Android: progressive taxation!


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Reply #97 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:26am
 


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:17am:
Incidentally - if it is 'such a small amount'.....



Why isn't everyone paying it?




We found out last night why most right whingers have been in such a flap - cos Lib supporters like Mellie and a bunch of her acquaintances lack the mathematical ability to process basic tiered tax/levy calculations...

Apparently, they were all convinced that the official tables were wrong and that those on $100K pa would be up for $1,000 each!

Little wonder that they are so readily sucked-in to the voodoo economics spin of their beloved Lib pollies...

Anyway, being a beancounter yourself, perhaps you could take a couple of minutes to: demonstrate to those thickheads how to work out how much Levy would apply, to an individual with a taxable income of $100K, ta!?

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Reply #98 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:51am
 
GET THIS ...




Cut disabled pensions to pay for floods
: business

1 hour 37 minutes ago


The Business Council says cuts to disability services ... should be considered as alternatives to the flood levy.

The Federal Government says the $1.8 billion tax is needed to help pay for flood and cyclone reconstruction in Queensland and Victoria.

Council president Graham Bradley says all current spending should be reviewed and disability pensions may not be the best use of government money.

Mr Bradley says it is in people's best interests to get back to work.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/14/3137847.htm



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Utterly disgusting. Typical behaviour from the BCA - representing millionaires and billionaires asking for funding to be cut from the poorest people in the world.

Greed is ugly and greed is what our business groups like the BCA and the chambers of commerce stand for.

Just disgusting.



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Reply #99 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:56am
 
It' the principle of the thing, why should an irresponsible government scrounge around gouging holes in our pockets making excuses to impose forced charity on it's citizens, when if they had have been more responsible, we wouldn't even be discussing this right now.

If a petty thief stole 20c from your bank account, and you knew they had done this to millions of people and had become multi millionaires as a consequence of having done this, would you not feel a bit ripped off?

It's unjustified, and therefore to my way of thinking is blatant theft.

They aren't even being transparent about what the public have donated so far.

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Reply #100 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 12:09pm
 


buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:51am:
GET THIS ...




Cut disabled pensions to pay for floods
: business

1 hour 37 minutes ago


The Business Council says cuts to disability services ... should be considered as alternatives to the flood levy.

The Federal Government says the $1.8 billion tax is needed to help pay for flood and cyclone reconstruction in Queensland and Victoria.

Council president Graham Bradley says all current spending should be reviewed and disability pensions may not be the best use of government money.

Mr Bradley says it is in people's best interests to get back to work.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/14/3137847.htm



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Utterly disgusting. Typical behaviour from the BCA - representing millionaires and billionaires asking for funding to be cut from the poorest people in the world.

Greed is ugly and greed is what our business groups like the BCA and the chambers of commerce stand for.

Just disgusting.






Methinks this issue deserves its own thread, Buzz!

Meantime, I too am disgusted about this display of pettiness from the top 100 CEO's in this country - since the BCA has neglected to denounce systematic discrimination by its own members against the  mentally-ill, sick, mature aged and otherwise disabled and vulnerable!

Shame on anyone, who would beat up on the terminally-ill, chronically-sick, mentally-ill and physically-disabled for minor financial and/or political gain!

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Reply #101 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
mellie wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:56am:
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They aren't even being transparent about what the public have donated so far.







Flood victims receiving payments
16:48 AEST Thu Feb 10 2011

Queensland flood victims have started receiving payments from the public appeal which has raised more than $200 million so far.

The Premier's Disaster Relief Appeal has reached a staggering $207 million in donations since it was established in late December.


As of Wednesday, $1.886 million had been paid to 814 of the total 12,000 applicants.



http://news.slices.ninemsn.com.au/national/floods/8209224/flood-victims-start-re...



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Reply #102 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:51am:
GET THIS ...




Cut disabled pensions to pay for floods
: business

1 hour 37 minutes ago


The Business Council says cuts to disability services ... should be considered as alternatives to the flood levy.

The Federal Government says the $1.8 billion tax is needed to help pay for flood and cyclone reconstruction in Queensland and Victoria.

Council president Graham Bradley says all current spending should be reviewed and disability pensions may not be the best use of government money.

Mr Bradley says it is in people's best interests to get back to work.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/14/3137847.htm



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Utterly disgusting. Typical behaviour from the BCA - representing millionaires and billionaires asking for funding to be cut from the poorest people in the world.

Greed is ugly and greed is what our business groups like the BCA and the chambers of commerce stand for.

Just disgusting.





Ok, this may seem heartless....but here's just one case I know of.

I have a friend who had a cerebral haemorrhage about 18 years ago...(a burst blood vessel)...as a result, they had to drill holes in either side of his head to relieve pressure on his brain.

He is the best chess player I have ever seen, he's a musician, war-gamer, and attends conventions regularly, (he's a genius, an under achieving lazy freaking genius at that)...and I have to say, if he can do what he does, then there's nothing stopping him from going to work ...  honestly, I think he likes his lifestyle at the tax payers expense....

Look, there are allot of people on these disability benefits, that really should be re-assessed, because the criteria has changed dramatically, and what they would grant a disability pension for years ago...they wouldn't even think about granting them these days.

The rules have stiffened, but they really need to go back through those who were assessed and granted benefits for comparably minor ailments by today's standards.

Also, it sh1ts me to pieces when you have people claiming benefits for manageable/treatable mental illness, ie depression, anxiety, claiming they are suffering with a life altering debilitating affliction.....simply because they choose not to take their medication.



Then you seen them online all day posting on message boards...what about data entry?

If they can sit here and annoy the sh1t out of others all day, then why cant they do some data entry from home?

There are plenty of things they could be doing from home these days.


I'm not being heartless, and agree, many people are incapable of re-entering the work force, but what's the harm in re-assessing them periodically, this and or reintegrating them back into the workforce?

I mean, if a down-syndrome kid can collect trolleys in the stifling heat all day, then really, what's their excuse?



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Reply #103 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 1:01pm
 
It's the bludging, needy, victimous mind-set that annoys me most.

Here in Australia, we are traditionally a hard working robust nation of people, we generally pride ourselves on our work ethic, and would pride ourselves on not having taken one single sicky, ...even though they are there to take.

Lately, there's been a bit of a work-culture shift, whereby people seem to be out for every thing they can get, will expend sickies just because they can, will take stress leave, because they can do this too...we are becoming such a needy princess race of spoilt people...and I put this down to many factors.

I refuse to accept there isn't something out there for everyone work-wise, (with the exception of the profoundly disabled of course), so why should we treat them like invalids?


I get a little resentful of those who are able to pick and choose their work...myself having come from a nursing background, completed a degree at uni, though had to more or less use it as a resume filler, given the hard time I had finding special needs placements for my autistic daughter.  .. but, rather than throw the towel in, and think, that's it...life over, carer to the end, nothing more for me, I decided to study, become qualified in a profession whereby I can work from home if necessary.

Sometimes I think, god, what I would give to be able to 'escape', you know what I really miss  the most?

Being able to duck out with the girls for a quick smoke on the patient balcony, grab a bite to eat and a bad coffee, (even if it was usually a crappy hospital cafeteria slop)...it's the social factor you miss most of all I think, and when I hear friends complaining they had to work a double shift...I cant help but get a pang of, I dunno, loss or something, like I wish it were me winging all over again the way I used to after a double shift.

Don't get me wrong, I love what I'm doing now, I really do, more than nursing when I was in the profession working 60 hour weeks, but you still miss what you cant have I guess.

What I wonder about these people who voluntarily disengage from the workforce, simply because centrelink made it possible to do so, don't they crave being out there and amongst it?

Being part of a working team?

Self sufficient?

Entitled to spend something they have earned themselves?

I think half of them just get into a rut and forget what it feels like to be part of it.

Which is why I think they need to be reminded, this and rehabilitated wherever possible.

Smiley... Labor don't agree with me however, Liberal are the better government for getting those who can back out there and into the workforce.

Sorry about the above gush, but I do think the businessman makes a point, this and don't think he means to send people who are clearly incapable out there to work if they genuinely aren't capable.

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Reply #104 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 1:41pm
 
mellie wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:56am:
It' the principle of the thing, why should an irresponsible government scrounge around gouging holes in our pockets making excuses to impose forced charity on it's citizens, when if they had have been more responsible, we wouldn't even be discussing this right now.

If a petty thief stole 20c from your bank account, and you knew they had done this to millions of people and had become multi millionaires as a consequence of having done this, would you not feel a bit ripped off?

It's unjustified, and therefore to my way of thinking is blatant theft.

They aren't even being transparent about what the public have donated so far.




There was no fuss when the Howard government were doing it?

They had a better world economy to work off and had less need to raise money this way but still managed to gouge out their finance for about 5 seperate projects in the same manner each one with much less merit than this.

Sympathy to those objecting to this very reasonable and responsible measure = Nill.

Especially considering it was supported by the same people when the Lib's were doing it.
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