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Reply #135 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:41pm
 
nichy wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:37pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:20pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Cyclones f-ck up places a lot worse than floods.


True - that would be because they not only bring a lot of flooding water over a short period of time, but they also have savage winds and storm surges have waves powered by those winds...

This is a particularly savage cyclone to boot!

All this is pointing to the need for a National Disaster Levy - instead of the proposed Flood Levy - wonder how knee-jerk oppositional Abbott will handle this...




What do you expect him to do -  go out and stop it ?


Give it a rest Eq.  people will lose everything and lives could be lost as well and all you can do is sling off at Abbott.  





Perhaps they are waiting for Moses, to quite literally, part the sea?

Roll Eyes Agreed, pretty silly, why bring Abbott into it, he is afterall in opposition, and they are afterall in a Labor state.

And even if he did try to voice his opinion, Labor would only spin it back on him, this and accuse him of political grand-standing 'vulturism' ...during hard times...

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Reply #136 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:03pm
 

nichy wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:37pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:20pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Cyclones f-ck up places a lot worse than floods.


True - that would be because they not only bring a lot of flooding water over a short period of time, but they also have savage winds and storm surges have waves powered by those winds...

This is a particularly savage cyclone to boot!

All this is pointing to the need for a National Disaster Levy - instead of the proposed Flood Levy - wonder how knee-jerk oppositional Abbott will handle this...




What do you expect him to do -  go out and stop it ?


Give it a rest Eq.  people will lose everything and lives could be lost as well and all you can do is sling off at Abbott.  



Actually, Nichy, I think you will find that much of this thread has been devoted to the remarkably-unfounded slagging of Gillard and Bligh - over things that they purportedly have or have not done in relation to the cyclone...

You will note, from my abovementioned comment, that I do not support the current proposals of either Gillard or Abbott - Gillard has proposed a temporary Flood Levy and I favour a permanent Natural Disaster Levy (in response, Abbott has been predictably obstructionist and unhelpful - period)...

Either way, in the context of Yasi (and the Black Saturday Bushfires) by their comments in relation to the proposed Flood Levy, I contend that both the Federal LibLabs have been shown to be far too short-sighted in relation to natural disaster contingency planning (and natural disaster insurance regulation) - and especially for reconstruction funding!

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Reply #137 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:19pm
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:03pm:
nichy wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:37pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:20pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Cyclones f-ck up places a lot worse than floods.


True - that would be because they not only bring a lot of flooding water over a short period of time, but they also have savage winds and storm surges have waves powered by those winds...

This is a particularly savage cyclone to boot!

All this is pointing to the need for a National Disaster Levy - instead of the proposed Flood Levy - wonder how knee-jerk oppositional Abbott will handle this...




What do you expect him to do -  go out and stop it ?


Give it a rest Eq.  people will lose everything and lives could be lost as well and all you can do is sling off at Abbott.  



Actually, Nichy, I think you will find that much of this thread has been devoted to the remarkably-unfounded slagging of Gillard and Bligh - over things that they purportedly have or have not done in relation to the cyclone...

You will note, from my abovementioned comment, that I do not support the current proposals of either Gillard or Abbott - Gillard has proposed a temporary Flood Levy and I favour a permanent Natural Disaster Levy (in response, Abbott has been predictably obstructionist and unhelpful - period)...

Either way, in the context of Yasi (and the Black Saturday Bushfires) by their comments in relation to the proposed Flood Levy, I contend that both the Federal LibLabs have been shown to be far too short-sighted in relation to natural disaster contingency planning (and natural disaster insurance regulation) - and especially for reconstruction funding!



I knew you would come back with something along these lines, though didn't think you would be so bold to necessitate a response which states the obvious, of which is as follows...

I think given QLD is a Labor state, and Labor are indeed in power, we can expect a reasonable amount of constructive criticism/concern being directed towards their operation's should the public/media see fit, which it apparently has, particularly on a 'political forum' when it pertains to the states very own premier and her overall management of this  natural disaster at hand, and so long as these concerns are constructive, they are valid.

I couldn't care less who was in, I'd be having a go at Howard or Abbott, if the same thing was happening on their watch.

Comprehendo?

Though, can the same be said for scrutinising Abbott?

What is the point of this?  What will it achieve?  Hmmm!!!

NOTHING!!!

My god, it's like dragging Obama in by the balls and expecting him to face the music, lol...sorry, just no comparison, but I'll give you brownie points for trying.

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Reply #138 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:28pm
 
Hint, if you can demonstrate a relevance to Abbotts political process, and this natural disaster, (something he's either doing, or not doing, that would make a difference)..re- the overall management of this disaster, then goodo, I'm all ears, otherwise, you have to admit, mentioning Abbott was a bit of a duck-egg.

 Wink How about we just blame Michael Jackson instead.



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Reply #139 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
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a freind in townsville just messaged saying 3 houses have already lost roofs there. not sure how's he's gettingn the info..
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Reply #140 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:36pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:33pm:
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a freind in townsville just messaged saying 3 houses have already lost roofs there. not sure how's he's gettingn the info..


Golly gosh...  Undecided
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Reply #141 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:39pm
 

mellie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:28pm:
Hint, if you can demonstrate a relevance to Abbotts political process, and this natural disaster, (something he's either doing, or not doing, that would make a difference)..re- the overall management of this disaster, then goodo, I'm all ears, otherwise, you have to admit, mentioning Abbott was a bit of a duck-egg.

 Wink How about we just blame Michael Jackson instead.



If anyone could make a link betwixt Yasi and Michael Jackson, Mellie, then it would be you!

Seriously, tho', this thread was politicised long before I mentioned Abbott - noting that I was far from the first to mention Gillard or Bligh on this thread which is (rightly) NOT in Politician's Suck...

In fact, Mellie, you have been one of the worst offenders in relation to politicising this cyclone - for which you have no reason to be proud nor smug!

That said: I, for one, do not believe that the criticisms of Gillard and Bligh in relation to this cyclone are even remotely warranted...

Let's try to leave this tangent at that!

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Reply #142 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:48pm
 
for the latest infrared satellite pic

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/sohemi/sohemiloops/shirgmscol.html

SCARY!!!!!!!
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Reply #143 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:50pm
 

Palm Island not evacuated. Channel 7 reported that no evacuation order was given even though it is directly in Y's path  Cry

someone will have blood on their hands.
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Reply #144 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:06pm
 


Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

Palm Island not evacuated. Channel 7 reported that no evacuation order was given even though it is directly in Y's path  Cry

someone will have blood on their hands.


Dunno - but this has been reported elsewhere: -

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/palm-island-ready-for-yasi-mayor-s...

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Palm Island ready for Yasi, mayor says

February 2, 2011 - 6:24PM

Residents of Palm Island are bunkered down in homes and four evacuation centres waiting for Cyclone Yasi to strike, the island's mayor says.

Alf Lacey said it was misleading of a former mayor to suggest that Palm Island and its population of around 3500 had been neglected.

Mr Blackley said Palm Island, which lies off Queensland's coast, north of Townsville, had not been evacuated and accused authorities of ignoring its people.

Mr Lacey said while he agreed with former mayor Rob Blackley that the community needed a new, cyclone-rated town hall to use as a central evacuation centre, the mixed messages coming from the island were unnecessary.

"We've been planning for these events of many years," Mr Lacey, who is also chairman of the Local Disaster Management Group, said.

"We planned before Cyclone Anthony (which crossed into north Queensland on January 30) when it was predicted.

"Palm certainly is in safe hands and everything is in order," Mr Lacey told AAP.

"Evacuation centres are open if people are not feeling safe at home.

"I certainly don't need panic buttons being pushed because it will just turn that situation into a more worser situation than what it is.

"Giving those wrong messages out to the wider public is probably not useful when you're trying to unite the community around an event like this."

Mr Lacey said the island's homes were adequate to survive the cyclone.

"Some may lose roofs, we don't know until it happens," he said.

"There's a very strong wind blowing here at the moment, the streets are deserted, so everyone has heeded the advice we've given out."

Local council phones are staffed for those unsure of their safety, Mr Lacey said.

Some people flew out or left the island by boat, but there was no need for a mass evacuation, he said.

A strong presence of Queensland government health and school staff had remained, Mr Lacey said.

© 2011 AAP



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Reply #145 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:13pm
 
If Mel and Kochie say it was neglected, then it was neglected.

If Mel and Kochie say the world ends tomorrow, don't bother setting your alarm.

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Reply #146 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:17pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
If Mel and Kochie say it was neglected, then it was neglected.

If Mel and Kochie say the world ends tomorrow, don't bother setting your alarm.



I wouldn't go that far....but don't think they would make flippant statements concerning operational neglect...if there were no sound basis for doing so.

Kochie, never really did get over Rudd having been sacked!

They were mates.

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Reply #147 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:17pm
 
Palm Island ready for Yasi, mayor says February 2, 2011 - 6:24PM

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Residents of Palm Island are bunkered down in homes and four evacuation centres waiting for Cyclone Yasi to strike, the island's mayor says.

Alf Lacey said it was misleading of a former mayor to suggest that Palm Island and its population of around 3500 had been neglected.

Mr Blackley said Palm Island, which lies off Queensland's coast, north of Townsville, had not been evacuated and accused authorities of ignoring its people.

Mr Lacey said while he agreed with former mayor Rob Blackley that the community needed a new, cyclone-rated town hall to use as a central evacuation centre, the mixed messages coming from the island were unnecessary.

"We've been planning for these events of many years," Mr Lacey, who is also chairman of the Local Disaster Management Group, said.

"We planned before Cyclone Anthony (which crossed into north Queensland on January 30) when it was predicted.

"Palm certainly is in safe hands and everything is in order," Mr Lacey told AAP.

"Evacuation centres are open if people are not feeling safe at home.

"I certainly don't need panic buttons being pushed because it will just turn that situation into a more worser situation than what it is.

"Giving those wrong messages out to the wider public is probably not useful when you're trying to unite the community around an event like this."

Mr Lacey said the island's homes were adequate to survive the cyclone.


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/palm-island-ready-for-yasi-mayor-says-20110202-1adhr.html



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Reply #148 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:28pm
 
mellie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:41pm:
nichy wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:37pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:20pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Cyclones f-ck up places a lot worse than floods.


True - that would be because they not only bring a lot of flooding water over a short period of time, but they also have savage winds and storm surges have waves powered by those winds...

This is a particularly savage cyclone to boot!

All this is pointing to the need for a National Disaster Levy - instead of the proposed Flood Levy - wonder how knee-jerk oppositional Abbott will handle this...




What do you expect him to do -  go out and stop it ?


Give it a rest Eq.  people will lose everything and lives could be lost as well and all you can do is sling off at Abbott. 





Perhaps they are waiting for Moses, to quite literally, part the sea?

Roll Eyes Agreed, pretty silly, why bring Abbott into it, he is afterall in opposition, and they are afterall in a Labor state.

And even if he did try to voice his opinion, Labor would only spin it back on him, this and accuse him of political grand-standing 'vulturism' ...during hard times...

Roll Eyes


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Reply #149 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 8:32pm
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:39pm:
mellie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:28pm:
Hint, if you can demonstrate a relevance to Abbotts political process, and this natural disaster, (something he's either doing, or not doing, that would make a difference)..re- the overall management of this disaster, then goodo, I'm all ears, otherwise, you have to admit, mentioning Abbott was a bit of a duck-egg.

 Wink How about we just blame Michael Jackson instead.



If anyone could make a link betwixt Yasi and Michael Jackson, Mellie, then it would be you!

Seriously, tho', this thread was politicised long before I mentioned Abbott - noting that I was far from the first to mention Gillard or Bligh on this thread which is (rightly) NOT in Politician's Suck...

In fact, Mellie, you have been one of the worst offenders in relation to politicising this cyclone - for which you have no reason to be proud nor smug!

That said: I, for one, do not believe that the criticisms of Gillard and Bligh in relation to this cyclone are even remotely warranted...

Let's try to leave this tangent at that!

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I have made a concerted effort to abstain from discussing politics on the 'politics sucks' forum, until I am invited back to do so from this sites owner via PM.

Why, because the trolling of my 'handle' and disruption to the highly politicised  forum itself was getting beyond a joke, so honestly, out of courtesy and respect to this sites owner, I opted out.

He was stuck between a rock and a hard place... either he put up with the disruption, (me being there ) or offend those who were here well before me... so, I made the decision for myself.

I may post there again, next election, will see how things go!

This said, I love discussing politics, naturally, don't we all, hence we come here, so I try and get my fix/fill and a word in here and on other less important threads wherever possible sometimes.

Now, lets leave it at that, OK!

You have options, you can Abbott-bash over on 'politicians suck' till your labia rots off,  so with all due respect, don't let me stop you.

You were going off on a tangent here re- Abbott, and a few of us pulled you up ...big whoop.

We have all done this at times,(gone off topic)  this and copped it on the chin, what makes you so special?

You don't appear to respond too well to constructive criticism...LEARN TO!!!

Fact: Abbott has nothing to do with this topic at hand.

Anna Bligh is the states premier, and many believe she's made a mess of the evacuation, left it to the last minute to try and evacuate a number of small islands and a population 10 times the size of f8cking Darwin back in 1974, so come off it, naturally we are going to be critical of her majesty over this.




Look, we all have a right to an opinion, sure, but again, unless you can somehow relate this disaster to Abbott, and the management there of...then sorry, it's a duck egg!

Lets shake on it, and move on shall we?

Cheers.

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