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Reply #15 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 12:36am

____ wrote on Jan 27^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

How can the Qld Floods be a one off levy when the precedent is set. Climate Change is here and now we pay for using coal for our electricity.

All climate disasters are now paid for by a new levy.

I was up in Jurien Bay for seven days just gone.

The water was really warm.

Dad reckons he just heard on some TV program that the waters were some 4 degrees hotter for some reason now.

Sounds a lot... he finds it even dodgier as he works at the dept of Agriculture and has a modicum of scioentific understanding.he reckoned that 'they' were worried about a larger than normal la nina effect....

I supposed that perhaps the sunspots were worse than normal and we both shrugged and.... well we're still shrugging, only he is now snoozin' whilst he's doing it !

Jurien Bay is about 300ks North of Perth. The water in Perth is always fairly cold but 300ks ins't that far and I was surprised at how warm it was.

There may be a cyclone coming into Peerth tomorrow morning which is very rare: there were blue and yellow alerts while I was up in Jurien.

I got back to Perth two days ago.

Um, there may or may not be any significance to anything I've just written: where is that bottle?!!? Probably none left anyways....!

Shocked

Anyway, we had a few rhieslings and

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #16 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 7:24am

As we have seen from our infrastructural damage caused by extremes, we are far from ready for the effects of Human Caused Climate Change.

We have known for decades, yet the Hard Right has sat on their hands, and even Labor had it in the too hard basket. No more mucking around.

We require a price on carbon and a climate change levy ASAP, so we can start shifting towards a sustainable economy. An economy that has a fair chance of adapting to whatever climate change throws at us.

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #17 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 7:38am

____ wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

As we have seen from our infrastructural damage caused by extremes, we are far from ready for the effects of Human Caused Climate Change.

We have known for decades, yet the Hard Right has sat on their hands, and even Labor had it in the too hard basket. No more mucking around.

We require a price on carbon and a climate change levy ASAP, so we can start shifting towards a sustainable economy. An economy that has a fair chance of adapting to whatever climate change throws at us.

Wrong woody. What we need is for all P00FS to go back to their country of birth and leave us the bugger alone.

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #18 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 12:50pm

____ wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

As we have seen from our infrastructural damage caused by extremes, we are far from ready for the effects of Human Caused Climate Change.

We have known for decades, yet the Hard Right has sat on their hands, and even Labor had it in the too hard basket. No more mucking around.

We require a price on carbon and a climate change levy ASAP, so we can start shifting towards a sustainable economy. An economy that has a fair chance of adapting to whatever climate change throws at us.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm.
You missed a bit hanging their off your chin Green.
You might need a bib to catch your man made climate change dribble.
Make it a large one. Grin

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #19 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 1:08pm

State sweats on 40-degree scorcher

VICTORIA faces its first 40-degree days of the year today and tomorrow, with Victoria Ambulance warning thousands of spectators at the Australian Open and the Big Day Out music festival will be at risk of severe sunburn and dehydration.

Residents in the state's north are set to endure the rare combination of major flooding and a very high fire risk, with temperatures forecast to hit 41 degrees today and 40 tomorrow

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/state-sweats-on-40degree-scorcher-2...

and still the Hard Right are in denial over human caused climate change. Why, because the ill thought out plan of Abbott has trapped the party into a non negotiable position of total denial of all the science backing AGW.

The Hard Right are a minority, have no wish to be constructive, and are lost in the wilderness. So the government of the day can negotiate action on a carbon price and a levy with no input from the anti science Hard Right. This term we could see some real results.

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Reply #20 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:09pm

____ wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:

State sweats on 40-degree scorcher

VICTORIA faces its first 40-degree days of the year today and tomorrow, with Victoria Ambulance warning thousands of spectators at the Australian Open and the Big Day Out music festival will be at risk of severe sunburn and dehydration.

Residents in the state's north are set to endure the rare combination of major flooding and a very high fire risk, with temperatures forecast to hit 41 degrees today and 40 tomorrow

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/state-sweats-on-40degree-scorcher-2...

and still the Hard Right are in denial over human caused climate change. Why, because the ill thought out plan of Abbott has trapped the party into a non negotiable position of total denial of all the science backing AGW.

The Hard Right are a minority, have no wish to be constructive, and are lost in the wilderness. So the government of the day can negotiate action on a carbon price and a levy with no input from the anti science Hard Right. This term we could see some real results.

because a 40 degree day in australia has never happened before. adelaide is having one today as well - its first for the summer after the coolest january in decades.

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #22 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Yeah, we're having a 40 degree day here too......Happens every summer, mostly over 40 by this point in summer..

We used to get 42+ days in Sydney, when I was a kid, back in the 70's....

We had one full week of no school ( over 100 Fahrenheit) in about 1974.......so hot the tar roads melted...

Thats my complaint with the Climate Change Hysterics... Perspective and history. floods, droughts and heatwaves are all part of australian life.

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Reply #23 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Yeah, we're having a 40 degree day here too......Happens every summer, mostly over 40 by this point in summer..

We used to get 42+ days in Sydney, when I was a kid, back in the 70's....

We had one full week of no school ( over 100 Fahrenheit) in about 1974.......so hot the tar roads melted...

Thats my complaint with the Climate Change Hysterics... Perspective and history. floods, droughts and heatwaves are all part of australian life.

Yes, that's my complaint as well......Nothing happening NOW, hasn't happened before...

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #24 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Yeah, we're having a 40 degree day here too......Happens every summer, mostly over 40 by this point in summer..

We used to get 42+ days in Sydney, when I was a kid, back in the 70's....

We had one full week of no school ( over 100 Fahrenheit) in about 1974.......so hot the tar roads melted...

Thats my complaint with the Climate Change Hysterics... Perspective and history. floods, droughts and heatwaves are all part of australian life.

Yes, that's my complaint as well......Nothing happening NOW, hasn't happened before...

That is because deniers deny science. Science backs human caused climate change.

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #25 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:38pm

____ wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Yeah, we're having a 40 degree day here too......Happens every summer, mostly over 40 by this point in summer..

We used to get 42+ days in Sydney, when I was a kid, back in the 70's....

We had one full week of no school ( over 100 Fahrenheit) in about 1974.......so hot the tar roads melted...

Thats my complaint with the Climate Change Hysterics... Perspective and history. floods, droughts and heatwaves are all part of australian life.

Yes, that's my complaint as well......Nothing happening NOW, hasn't happened before...

That is because deniers deny science. Science backs human caused climate change.

No actually POLITICS backs 'human caused climate change'...not science..

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #26 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 3:00pm

Combet's answer: ''Coal is extremely important to our economy and it's one of the reasons why - in fact I had a number of discussions to this effect with my counterparts [at the latest UN climate talks] in Cancun - there is a great degree of interest in trying to develop things such as carbon capture and storage technology, which our government has got behind very firmly, because the future for fossil fuels ultimately will also be dependent on our capacity to utilise them on a much lower emissions pathway. So improving energy efficiency in coal-fired power stations, improving our capacity to explore CCS technology, will all be very important.''

The truth? It just isn't. A real climate policy would see the government stepping in where the states won't: denying export approval for new coalmines. In response to the floods, as the Climate Institute points out, we'd be axing fossil fuel subsidies which are part of the problem - like the diesel fuel rebate and fringe benefits tax for car use - instead of funding for solar power stations, which is part of the solution.

A real climate policy would see Australia target emissions reductions of at least 25 per cent by 2020 - our fair share of the effort needed to give us all a 2-in-3 chance of keeping warming below 2 degrees, as world leaders agreed at Copenhagen.

And that's being optimistic. Policy-makers are now thinking in earnest about a world that is 4 degrees warmer by 2070-2100 - as we're tracking if every country does everything they've promised so far - and the scenarios are apocalyptic. There is no science on how we might adapt.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/leaders-fiddle-while-the-world-burns-20110128-1a8...

If Labor is serious about a climate change levy then Labor must take responsibility for the coal pollution.

Where does the Hard Right stand on coal pollution.

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Reply #27 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 3:20pm

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A real climate policy would see Australia target emissions reductions of at least 25 per cent by 2020 - our fair share of the effort needed to give us all a 2-in-3 chance of keeping warming below 2 degrees, as world leaders agreed at Copenhagen

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So we should reduce OUR emissions of 25% of 1.5%????

And 'reduce' our economy by 25% and our emissions by 0.375%???
That'll make a HUGE difference to the world emissions total....won't it??

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____ Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: The Climate Change Levy Reply #28 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 3:38pm My preference is 40% I am not willing to accept failure and 25% invites potential failure. If you are going to do something, do it properly.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: The Climate Change Levy Reply #29 - Jan 30^th, 2011 at 3:43pm ____ wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 3:38pm: My preference is 40% I am not willing to accept failure and 25% invites potential failure. If you are going to do something, do it properly. So you think that less than 0.75% of the current emissions will help the planet???
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