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____ Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: The Climate Change Levy Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2011 at 6:56pm How can the Qld Floods be a one off levy when the precedent is set. Climate Change is here and now we pay for using coal for our electricity. All climate disasters are now paid for by a new levy.
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Reply #2 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:46am

DEFERRING tax cuts for corporate Australia was a better option than cutting environmental spending, the Greens said yesterday.

The balance-of-power party said cutting green programs "beggars belief" and called on the Government to look elsewhere for savings to pay for flood reconstruction.

The Greens' votes are crucial to Julia Gillard's chances of steering her $1.8 billion levy through Parliament.

The acting Greens leader, Tasmanian senator Christine Milne, said tax cuts for big businesses planned for July 2013 should be deferred, though tax relief for small businesses should be kept.

"This would net the Government around $1.7 billion in the forward estimates, protect low-income earners and small businesses, and enable the Government to reverse its decision to cut critical climate programs," she said.

While open to the idea of a flood levy, she called for a long-term permanent disaster relief fund.

Senator Milne's insistence that alternatives should be found to cutting green initiatives were shared by Herald Sun readers responding to an online poll yesterday.

If readers had their way, the notorious Gold Pass that guarantees lifetime free domestic airline travel for ex-politicians would be abolished immediately and the savings ploughed into relief efforts. As of last night, 35 per cent of respondents backed the idea.

The Gold Pass narrowly outpointed the ambitious National Broadband Network, into which taxpayers will pour $27.5 billion.

But economics experts supported the Government, arguing many green programs were duds that deserved to go.

"Most of the cuts are ones the Government should have made whether there were floods or not," said Saul Eslake, an economist at Melbourne's Grattan Institute. "Cash-for-clunkers was a clunker in itself."

Shadow climate change minister Greg Hunt said the Prime Minister had delivered a "massive vote of no-confidence in her own green agenda", being only too happy to offload green initiatives "under the veil of the flood recovery banner".

Victorian Council of Social Service spokeswoman Kate Colvin was concerned about cuts to the National Rental Affordability Scheme.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/big-business-not-the-environment-should-pay-for...

So it is about time for a real debate on climate change and how we plan to pay for all the new costs involved because of habits like using coal for electricity.

Also notice how out of step the Hard Right is ... only about a quarter agree with holding back the NBN to pay some of the cost of climate change.

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Re: The Climate Change Levy
Reply #3 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 10:48am

____ wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:46am:

DEFERRING tax cuts for corporate Australia was a better option than cutting environmental spending, the Greens said yesterday.

The balance-of-power party said cutting green programs "beggars belief" and called on the Government to look elsewhere for savings to pay for flood reconstruction.

The Greens' votes are crucial to Julia Gillard's chances of steering her $1.8 billion levy through Parliament.

The acting Greens leader, Tasmanian senator Christine Milne, said tax cuts for big businesses planned for July 2013 should be deferred, though tax relief for small businesses should be kept.

"This would net the Government around $1.7 billion in the forward estimates, protect low-income earners and small businesses, and enable the Government to reverse its decision to cut critical climate programs," she said.

While open to the idea of a flood levy, she called for a long-term permanent disaster relief fund.

Senator Milne's insistence that alternatives should be found to cutting green initiatives were shared by Herald Sun readers responding to an online poll yesterday.

If readers had their way, the notorious Gold Pass that guarantees lifetime free domestic airline travel for ex-politicians would be abolished immediately and the savings ploughed into relief efforts. As of last night, 35 per cent of respondents backed the idea.

The Gold Pass narrowly outpointed the ambitious National Broadband Network, into which taxpayers will pour $27.5 billion.

But economics experts supported the Government, arguing many green programs were duds that deserved to go.

"Most of the cuts are ones the Government should have made whether there were floods or not," said Saul Eslake, an economist at Melbourne's Grattan Institute. "Cash-for-clunkers was a clunker in itself."

Shadow climate change minister Greg Hunt said the Prime Minister had delivered a "massive vote of no-confidence in her own green agenda", being only too happy to offload green initiatives "under the veil of the flood recovery banner".

Victorian Council of Social Service spokeswoman Kate Colvin was concerned about cuts to the National Rental Affordability Scheme.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/big-business-not-the-environment-should-pay-for...

So it is about time for a real debate on climate change and how we plan to pay for all the new costs involved because of habits like using coal for electricity.

Also notice how out of step the Hard Right is ... only about a quarter agree with holding back the NBN to pay some of the cost of climate change.

They cut the guts out of the Solar Flagships program which was already woefully small. of all the places to cut, this was one of the worst candidates.

I predict that this levey wont pass the senate. The greens will probably oppose it.

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: The Climate Change Levy Reply #4 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe.
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Reply #5 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:52pm

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Yeah right bill...whatever you reckon...

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #6 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

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Reply #7 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:57pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

But its an investment in Australia and a dollar spent in the struggle against communism so I will wear the expense gladly. Cool

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Reply #8 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:00pm

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

But its an investment in Australia and a dollar spent in the struggle against communism so I will wear the expense gladly. Cool

I think I have a communist living in the house next door... his door is coloured red and I think he is Russian. Can I have $100 to fight him, Prevailing?

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Reply #9 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:01pm

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

But its an investment in Australia and a dollar spent in the struggle against communism so I will wear the expense gladly. Cool

You'd be better off investing in some condoms if you want to save Australia from unwanted expense,meelie.

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Reply #10 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:03pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

But its an investment in Australia and a dollar spent in the struggle against communism so I will wear the expense gladly. Cool

You'd be better off investing in some condoms if you want to save Australia from unwanted expense,meelie.

LOL skippy, 'prevailing' isn't 'mellie'....Prevailing is crany,...our old friend 'pedo_bill'....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #11 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:10pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

But its an investment in Australia and a dollar spent in the struggle against communism so I will wear the expense gladly. Cool

I think I have a communist living in the house next door... his door is coloured red and I think he is Russian. Can I have $100 to fight him, Prevailing?

No, but lets not make it any easier for Australias communists to set up and fund the unelected world governing bureaucracy with an illegal unconstitutional tax. Cool

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Reply #12 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 5:14pm

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

I am handing over my 100 bucks to launch a constitutional challenge in the High court over the "Carbon Tax" since no other Aussies out there have done it yet. - Yep thats all it takes folks - wake up to yourselves and get back in the game before they tax the air you breathe. Cool

Wow, a hundred bucks would be a huge chunk out of your single breeders pension, mel.

But its an investment in Australia and a dollar spent in the struggle against communism so I will wear the expense gladly. Cool

I think I have a communist living in the house next door... his door is coloured red and I think he is Russian. Can I have $100 to fight him, Prevailing?

No, but lets not make it any easier for Australias communists to set up and fund the unelected world governing bureaucracy with an illegal unconstitutional tax. Cool

I believe subversion charges are warranted for anyone with their hands dirty on the Carbon tax conspiracy. Cool

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Reply #13 - Jan 29^th, 2011 at 4:46pm

for those interested, From Get up;

'48 hours ago, the Government announced they want to pay for the climate disasters of today by killing the renewable energy projects of tomorrow.

Climate change means more extreme weather events1, so it makes sense to establish a permanent Climate Disaster Fund -- not just to respond to one off events like the recent floods.

There's a simple solution to fund reconstruction after extreme weather events, while also reducing pollution and supporting renewable energy. The Government must establish a permanent Climate Disaster Fund, paid for by ending the billions of dollars they're handing out to subsidise the use of fossil fuels2, most of which ends up in the pockets of Australia's biggest polluters.

The three Independents in the lower house all support a permanent natural disaster fund. The Government will have to negotiate with them to get its flood levy through, so we have a real chance to preserve the renewable energy programs the Government wants to cut and to set up a permanent disaster recovery fund paid for by ending polluter handouts. To save these renewable energy programs we need an immediate public outcry - please add your voice now.

Call on Prime Minister Gillard to pay for flood recovery by cutting fossil fuel handouts, not renewable energy '

http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SafeguardOurFuture

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: The Climate Change Levy Reply #14 - Jan 29^th, 2011 at 6:07pm veg what fossil fuel hand outs are they reffering too thanks
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