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Reply #45 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 8:19pm
 
Whats the bet that this one off flood levy will become permanent? What effect will it have on donations for national disasters in the future if potential donors believe that the government will force them to donate anyway?
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Reply #46 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 8:33pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 8:19pm:
Whats the bet that this one off flood levy will become permanent?





Legislation for the tax will be brought in as soon as Parliament resumes the week after next.


The levy will run for a year, to be enforced by a sunset clause.


The two-tiered scheme is designed to limit the impact on middle-income earners, already under cost-of-living pressures that will increase with rising fruit and vegetable prices.

Cabinet will meet today to tick off the extensive package - crafted by senior ministers and including a rearrangement of infrastructure spending as well as the levy and savings.

Preliminary Treasury estimates of necessary outlays -mostly for rebuilding infrastructure - put the bill at well over $5 billion. This does not include the expected hit to revenue.



The government will stress that every cent raised through measures announced today will go directly to flood areas.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/rich-set-to-pay-more-for-flood-levy-20110127-1a5r...



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Reply #47 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 8:38pm
 

Belgarion wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 8:19pm:
Whats the bet that this one off flood levy will become permanent? What effect will it have on donations for national disasters in the future if potential donors believe that the government will force them to donate anyway?


I, for one, think that the levy should be permanent - and that it should be a natural disaster levy!

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Reply #48 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:02pm
 
I think this is a bad idea. Labor is too keen to give away other people's money.

Is it true you get a handout because you went without power for 24 hours? If so, that is complete bullshit. Are we really that soft that we need compensation for that?

Millionaires living on the waterfront don't need a handout.

It is a bad idea to compensate people who deliberately choose to invest in flood prone property. It will just encourage them to do it again, assuming they'll get a handout next flood.

Lending a hand in a time of genuine need is one thing. Massive subsidies to people for making poor investments is completely different and has significant economic repurcussions.
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Reply #49 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:10pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 6:26pm:
Mate don't be quoting Plato to me.

The funny thing is, Buzz criticized my conduct in Australia yet I paid more in tax than he, I paid local tradesmen to work on my house, I paid gardeners, I paid window cleaners, I ran a 4 litre car needing to buy fuel etc

What about the guy who accused me of not paying enough?

Pay next to nothing in income tax, rides around on a scooter, and employs nobody.

Hypocrite??

Yep, you're right but it ain't over in San Diego mate. It's over in Daylesford.


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I would say you are so blinded by money you fail to comprehend the moral argument......some people do not pay the levy due to the way the levy is administered.......this is the same argument people use to minimize there tax....they do what is required by law......then you complain about tax perks and wealth fare that you do not need but expect as some elite symbol of superiority and perceived success......people like you are what is wrong with this world Andre....selfish and self centered to the core.......I attribute it to your upbringing....your family sound like a bunch of ass holes!!!

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Reply #50 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:10pm
 
The levy is to go towards rebuilding govt infrastructure - not for compensating homeowners for their loss - that's what the charity appeals are for.
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Reply #51 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:02pm:
I think this is a bad idea. Labor is too keen to give away other people's money.

Is it true you get a handout because you went without power for 24 hours? If so, that is complete bullshit. Are we really that soft that we need compensation for that?

Millionaires living on the waterfront don't need a handout.

It is a bad idea to compensate people who deliberately choose to invest in flood prone property. It will just encourage them to do it again, assuming they'll get a handout next flood.

Lending a hand in a time of genuine need is one thing. Massive subsidies to people for making poor investments is completely different and has significant economic repurcussions.


C’mon mate.....look at how the banks and big business get bailed out by the taxpayer all the time.....it is about people who were stupid, cheated. ignorant, unprepared, uninsured, genuinely unlucky, renting, ect....ect.....real people who are now desperate because of a "National Disaster"....now it has become a political and economic argument to those wanting to politicize the floods......how ever the Government decides to pay for the floods making political points based on ideology during such a crisis stinks of the tea party mentality….. it is about fixing infrastructure, and restoring communities…..the levy should take the politics out of the debae!!!

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Reply #52 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:32pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:10pm:
The levy is to go towards rebuilding govt infrastructure - not for compensating homeowners for their loss - that's what the charity appeals are for.


OK. I still think they should get it from revenue some other way, like not wasting so much money.

A lot of the charity appeal money was donated by the government - that's a good place to start.
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Reply #53 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:35pm
 

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:02pm:
I think this is a bad idea. Labor is too keen to give away other people's money.

Is it true you get a handout because you went without power for 24 hours? If so, that is complete bullshit. Are we really that soft that we need compensation for that?

Millionaires living on the waterfront don't need a handout.

It is a bad idea to compensate people who deliberately choose to invest in flood prone property. It will just encourage them to do it again, assuming they'll get a handout next flood.

Lending a hand in a time of genuine need is one thing. Massive subsidies to people for making poor investments is completely different and has significant economic repurcussions.


C’mon mate.....look at how the banks and big business get bailed out by the taxpayer all the time.....it is about people who were stupid, cheated. ignorant, unprepared, uninsured, genuinely unlucky, renting, ect....ect.....real people who are now desperate because of a "National Disaster"....now it has become a political and economic argument to those wanting to politicize the floods......how ever the Government decides to pay for the floods making political points based on ideology during such a crisis stinks of the tea party mentality….. it is about fixing infrastructure, and restoring communities…..the levy should take the politics out of the debae!!!

Smiley


One thing that stands out for me in all of this, is that: many of the people affected by the QLD floods bought their properties after the construction of the Wivenhoe Dam - in the genuine belief that their land would no longer be subject to flood events...


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Reply #54 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 10:17pm
 
This one was 1m lower than the 74 flood.
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Reply #55 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 10:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 10:17pm:
This one was 1m lower than the 74 flood.


Their needs to be a royal commission urgently into the corruption of the Australian democracy by a communist conspiracy. Cool
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Reply #56 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:14pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 10:24pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 10:17pm:
This one was 1m lower than the 74 flood.


Their needs to be a royal commission urgently into the corruption of the Australian democracy by a communist conspiracy. Cool


You are kidding, right???
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Reply #57 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:40pm
 
No not at all, the country is hijacked by a communist conspiracy any idiot can see that we have a controlled media and a rogue Government. Cool
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Reply #58 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:49pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:40pm:
No not at all, the country is hijacked by a communist conspiracy any idiot can see that we have a controlled media and a rogue Government. Cool


Well, in that case, I concede, you must be an idiot!

I would also concede, there are attempts by the media & both of the major Political party's to control events, but none of that has anything to do wih having communists under the bed!

I hope you get a good rest tonight, you need to catch up on some sleep!

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Reply #59 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:52pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:49pm:
Prevailing wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 11:40pm:
No not at all, the country is hijacked by a communist conspiracy any idiot can see that we have a controlled media and a rogue Government. Cool


Well, in that case, I concede, you must be an idiot!

I would also concede, there are attempts by the media & both of the major Political party's to control events, but none of that has anything to do wih having communists under the bed!

I hope you get a good rest tonight, you need to catch up on some sleep!



Rubbish - dont give me that reds under the beds crap too many millions have died and the communist dream has never died.
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