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Reply #285 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:18am

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:09am:

I hope Gillard has enough brains to have the rebuilding of the telecommunications networks up there done with the NBN so there is no duplication of costs down the track.

Since roads will be ripped up and need major rebuilding, it would be a good time to be putting the fibre network in and putting power underground while they are going.

I advocated that weeks ago, and was immediately told it was a ridiculous idea.

To put the same power and telecommunications infrastructure that has been destroyed, would be like building another fibro shack after the old one has been blown apart by a cyclone, washed away by a flood or destroyed by a fire.

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Reply #286 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:19am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:36am:

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:09am:

I hope Gillard has enough brains to have the rebuilding of the telecommunications networks up there done with the NBN so there is no duplication of costs down the track.

Since roads will be ripped up and need major rebuilding, it would be a good time to be putting the fibre network in and putting power underground while they are going.

Quite right Verge, but this has sensibly be mentioned before & knocked on the head as far too expensive by several posters here.
Thankfully they are not in charge of the nations purse strings.
While yes it maybe an expensive investment now, whether you believe CC has something to do with man or not everyone seems to agree it's happening so these events are going to be more frequent.
I'm not sure of the effect on underground wires in floods but at least with cyclones you could reasonably expect the power to stay on as there will be no poles going down to disrupt service.

You never rebuild to existing standards, as that infrastructure is already decades old. You go new then delay any future costs.

If your house burns down in a fire you dont put an old kitchen and bathroom back in the new one do you.

It reminds me of a time when a small shire was digging up the towns and putting in new sewerage lines. As a way of getting natural gas to their towns (which had been dismissed by the energy mob as too expensive) they got them to put the piping in at the same time and shared the costs.

If we are digging up the roads to relay the road base, its not that much harder to put the trencher through and start doing the work.

What is more expensive now will save you big dollars in the long run.

Oh, and to Andre's comment, coming under budget is a peice of piss, espically when you set the things to begin with.

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Reply #287 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:35pm

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:19am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:36am:

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:09am:

I hope Gillard has enough brains to have the rebuilding of the telecommunications networks up there done with the NBN so there is no duplication of costs down the track.

Since roads will be ripped up and need major rebuilding, it would be a good time to be putting the fibre network in and putting power underground while they are going.

Quite right Verge, but this has sensibly be mentioned before & knocked on the head as far too expensive by several posters here.
Thankfully they are not in charge of the nations purse strings.
While yes it maybe an expensive investment now, whether you believe CC has something to do with man or not everyone seems to agree it's happening so these events are going to be more frequent.
I'm not sure of the effect on underground wires in floods but at least with cyclones you could reasonably expect the power to stay on as there will be no poles going down to disrupt service.

You never rebuild to existing standards, as that infrastructure is already decades old. You go new then delay any future costs.

If your house burns down in a fire you dont put an old kitchen and bathroom back in the new one do you.

It reminds me of a time when a small shire was digging up the towns and putting in new sewerage lines. As a way of getting natural gas to their towns (which had been dismissed by the energy mob as too expensive) they got them to put the piping in at the same time and shared the costs.

If we are digging up the roads to relay the road base, its not that much harder to put the trencher through and start doing the work.

What is more expensive now will save you big dollars in the long run.

Oh, and to Andre's comment, coming under budget is a peice of piss, espically when you set the things to begin with.

The Levy is illegal and in breach of the Australian competition policy act introduced by the labour part thugs themselves Cool

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Reply #288 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:48pm

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:19am:

Oh, and to Andre's comment, coming under budget is a peice of piss, espically when you set the things to begin with.

Problem is, I set the budget, then it comes back from Chicago having gone through the most rigorous discussion that I don't even recognize the thing from what I submitted.

How's one year's headcount?
I had 8 hires. 2 in each quarter.

It came back with 8 approved. 1 in Oct, 1 in Nov and 6 in Dec.
Dead helpful that was.

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Reply #289 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:48pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:19am:

Oh, and to Andre's comment, coming under budget is a peice of piss, espically when you set the things to begin with.

Problem is, I set the budget, then it comes back from Chicago having gone through the most rigorous discussion that I don't even recognize the thing from what I submitted.

How's one year's headcount?
I had 8 hires. 2 in each quarter.

It came back with 8 approved. 1 in Oct, 1 in Nov and 6 in Dec.
Dead helpful that was.

And we're ALL "terribly impressed"

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Reply #290 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:53pm

Prevailing wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:35pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:19am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:36am:

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:09am:

I hope Gillard has enough brains to have the rebuilding of the telecommunications networks up there done with the NBN so there is no duplication of costs down the track.

Since roads will be ripped up and need major rebuilding, it would be a good time to be putting the fibre network in and putting power underground while they are going.

Quite right Verge, but this has sensibly be mentioned before & knocked on the head as far too expensive by several posters here.
Thankfully they are not in charge of the nations purse strings.
While yes it maybe an expensive investment now, whether you believe CC has something to do with man or not everyone seems to agree it's happening so these events are going to be more frequent.
I'm not sure of the effect on underground wires in floods but at least with cyclones you could reasonably expect the power to stay on as there will be no poles going down to disrupt service.

You never rebuild to existing standards, as that infrastructure is already decades old. You go new then delay any future costs.

If your house burns down in a fire you dont put an old kitchen and bathroom back in the new one do you.

It reminds me of a time when a small shire was digging up the towns and putting in new sewerage lines. As a way of getting natural gas to their towns (which had been dismissed by the energy mob as too expensive) they got them to put the piping in at the same time and shared the costs.

If we are digging up the roads to relay the road base, its not that much harder to put the trencher through and start doing the work.

What is more expensive now will save you big dollars in the long run.

Oh, and to Andre's comment, coming under budget is a peice of piss, espically when you set the things to begin with.

The Levy is illegal and in breach of the Australian competition policy act introduced by the labour part thugs themselves Cool

riiiiggghhhtttt. Which law firm do you work at, I'll make sure to a) never get represented by you and b) take all your clients to court and win.

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Reply #291 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:57pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:57am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:36am:

Quite right Verge, but this has sensibly be mentioned before & knocked on the head as far too expensive by several posters here.
Thankfully they are not in charge of the nations purse strings.

Mate you would want me in charge of the nation's purse strings.

In the last 2 years I have been over-budget in just one quarter.

I would have the country running economically efficient. It would be a fantastic place with me at the helm I assure you.

We'd vote you out in less than a minute, mate.

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #292 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 1:11pm Its gone real quiet on Juliars and Bobs proposed global government Nazi carbon tax around here all of a sudden.. Bowl of rice anyone?
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Reply #293 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 1:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:57am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 9:36am:

Quite right Verge, but this has sensibly be mentioned before & knocked on the head as far too expensive by several posters here.
Thankfully they are not in charge of the nations purse strings.

Mate you would want me in charge of the nation's purse strings.

In the last 2 years I have been over-budget in just one quarter.

I would have the country running economically efficient. It would be a fantastic place with me at the helm I assure you.

We'd vote you out in less than a minute, mate.

You would have lost your right to vote I am afraid.

Likewise with guys like Buzz - he fails on so many levels.....

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Reply #294 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 1:23pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:48pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:19am:

Oh, and to Andre's comment, coming under budget is a peice of piss, espically when you set the things to begin with.

Problem is, I set the budget, then it comes back from Chicago having gone through the most rigorous discussion that I don't even recognize the thing from what I submitted.

How's one year's headcount?
I had 8 hires. 2 in each quarter.

It came back with 8 approved. 1 in Oct, 1 in Nov and 6 in Dec.
Dead helpful that was.

And we're ALL "terribly impressed"

It's called work mate - you know, well actually no you don't do you?

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #295 - Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 1:36pm Sure guys lets have a flood levy, a carbon tax, a world government, a big Australia - the whole thing...
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Reply #296 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 7:13am

The verdict is IN

A MAJORITY of Australians have backed Julia Gillard's $1.8 billion flood levy
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As Federal Parliament this week resumes for the year to debate the controversial tax,

the first Newspoll of the year shows 55 per cent of people support it.

In a boost for the Prime Minister's risky strategy to impose the tax to help pay for the clean up of Queensland and Victoria's floods,

only 41 per cent were opposed.

Support for the tax was strongest among 18 to 34 year olds and weakest among the over 50s

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/majority-of-australians-support-julia-...

Does it not occur to the members of the Liberal Party just how OUT OF TOUCH their leader is with ordinary Australians ?

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Reply #297 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 7:29am

You were saying buzz?? Maybe these are

ROGUE

polls.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/levy-to-pay-for-56b-flood-bill-20110127-1a64x.html

Flood levy poll
For 27%
Against 73%
Total votes: 50714.

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/factsheets/article/-/article/8727167/most-find-flood-levy-too-taxing/

All signs suggest that the government will have a big job on their hands selling the levy to Australia.
The phone poll run by Sunrise this morning returned results of 90% of more than 4000 callers would NOT be happy to pay a flood levy.
A similar web poll run by Yahoo!7 showed that more than 80% did not want a flood levy.

http://belshaw.blogspot.com/2011/01/further-musings-on-flood-levy.html

On Nine-MSN, an on-line poll on will the Government flood levy stop you from donating, the numbers are running at 110,516 yes to 32,489 no. In the Australian, Stefanie Balogh and Jamie Walker report that, according to early polls, most Australians are against the levy, with The Australian's online poll recording more than 81 per cent of the 12,700 respondents opposed to it. Fairfax's online poll of 50,000 people had 74 per cent giving it the thumbs-down.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14243 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #298 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 7:50am Are you suggesting online polls are more accurate than the legitimate ones ? Are you THAT much into self-humiliation ? Galaxy, Morgan, Nielson and Newspoll are RANDOM and SCIENTIFIC Radio, television, newspaper and internet polls are based on a single demographic
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Reply #299 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 8:00am

Poor Buzz just can't get it right.

Three polls to one Buzz.

You lost again.

Here is something from your 'NEWS POLL' you didn't copy for all to see here.

The Newspoll published in The Australian shows the ALP's primary vote has tumbled 2 points since early December to 32 per cent while the Coalition's stocks have risen 3 points to 44 per cent. One in four voters still prefer someone else with the Greens steady on 14 per cent.

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