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Reply #75 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:47pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:40pm:

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And still no-one here willing to back you up in your classist struggle, hicks.

"The Struggle To Be Working Class"

by Andre "I once saw a blue singlet" Hicks.

I am the son of a working class father and a mother from a race-based class system.

Thus, there is no 'middle' or 'upper' anywhere.

Around and around we go.

Your father is the son of a working class man, who by stint of his education and perseverance, could honestly call himself middle class, like many post war english children

You are the middle class son of a middle class man.

Why does this horrify you so, hicks?

My father WAS working class, and I am middle class - I don't understand your inner struggle.

You want to be less than you are??

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Reply #76 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:57pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Well considering you sat there in Melbourne trying to work out who went to public and who went to private only goes to show you have some stereotype that you use to distinguish between the two,

Not true, I retrospectively did it and like I said, honestly couldn't tell you who went where.
I could have a guess but I wouldn't be 100% correct, I may not even get 50%.

Hence the point, there is no difference. It is down to the individual.

Some of the dumbest kids at my school were sons of very wealthy, very connected individuals.
In fact one outright plank was the grandson of a Tory MP and Minister in Mrs Thatcher's Government.

Ok...Ok... you did it "retrospectively." Which just goes to show you have an image of what a public school student is, and what a private school student is.

BESIDE THE POINT HOWEVER, you are still not answering why you have a problem with a review to determine a more equitable system. Differences are beside the point. The point is the current scheme is put in place with the view of giving every child support for a good education. Hence why do kids who go to public school miss out on this funding?

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Private Schools ~ Public Funding Review Reply #77 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 2:54pm Quote: Whether LW likes it or not, my own family experiences underline this view. My point was that you ONLY use your family's experiences and opinions to form your own. For someone who sees so much of the world, you clearly dont absorb much at all.
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Reply #78 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 2:57pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Well considering you sat there in Melbourne trying to work out who went to public and who went to private only goes to show you have some stereotype that you use to distinguish between the two,

Not true, I retrospectively did it and like I said, honestly couldn't tell you who went where.
I could have a guess but I wouldn't be 100% correct, I may not even get 50%.

Hence the point, there is no difference. It is down to the individual.

Some of the dumbest kids at my school were sons of very wealthy, very connected individuals.
In fact one outright plank was the grandson of a Tory MP and Minister in Mrs Thatcher's Government.

Ok...Ok... you did it "retrospectively." Which just goes to show you have an image of what a public school student is, and what a private school student is.

BESIDE THE POINT HOWEVER, you are still not answering why you have a problem with a review to determine a more equitable system. Differences are beside the point. The point is the current scheme is put in place with the view of giving every child support for a good education. Hence why do kids who go to public school miss out on this funding?

Public school kids DONT miss out on the funding. in fact, they get up to twice as much as private school kids.

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Reply #79 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Well considering you sat there in Melbourne trying to work out who went to public and who went to private only goes to show you have some stereotype that you use to distinguish between the two,

Not true, I retrospectively did it and like I said, honestly couldn't tell you who went where.
I could have a guess but I wouldn't be 100% correct, I may not even get 50%.

Hence the point, there is no difference. It is down to the individual.

Some of the dumbest kids at my school were sons of very wealthy, very connected individuals.
In fact one outright plank was the grandson of a Tory MP and Minister in Mrs Thatcher's Government.

Ok...Ok... you did it "retrospectively." Which just goes to show you have an image of what a public school student is, and what a private school student is.

BESIDE THE POINT HOWEVER, you are still not answering why you have a problem with a review to determine a more equitable system. Differences are beside the point. The point is the current scheme is put in place with the view of giving every child support for a good education. Hence why do kids who go to public school miss out on this funding?

Public school kids DONT miss out on the funding. in fact, that get up to twice as much as private school kids.

So I should be paid to drive a private car because if everyone left their cars at home and took public transport then the public transport system would collapse.
Fair enough their are poor private schools...so why not means test all private schools, same as they do for just about everyone else who wants a buck.

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whatsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 573	Re: Private Schools ~ Public Funding Review Reply #80 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:21pm <<If I went to Durham University i would be looked down on cause I am from a working class background.>> If you went beyond year six it was a miracle. Oh and my dog is better than you.
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Reply #81 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:38pm

Please delete wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:40pm:

Please delete wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

And still no-one here willing to back you up in your classist struggle, hicks.

"The Struggle To Be Working Class"

by Andre "I once saw a blue singlet" Hicks.

I am the son of a working class father and a mother from a race-based class system.

Thus, there is no 'middle' or 'upper' anywhere.

Around and around we go.

Your father is the son of a working class man, who by stint of his education and perseverance, could honestly call himself middle class, like many post war english children

You are the middle class son of a middle class man.

Why does this horrify you so, hicks?

My father WAS working class, and I am middle class - I don't understand your inner struggle.

You want to be less than you are??

Andrei is quite correct. Class has nothing to do with how much money you earn, it is about your ANCESTORS.

I am Middle Class dating back to the 16th Century. The fact that I am not a millionaire is MY problem. Roll Eyes

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Reply #82 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:42pm

"Andrei is quite correct. Class has nothing to do with how much money you earn, it is about your ANCESTORS.

I am Middle Class dating back to the 16th Century. The fact that I am not a millionaire is MY problem. Roll Eyes"

That is so bizarre I simply can't credit it.

For me, I will refer you to the sociological definition I cited earlier, from wikipedia. If you can cite anything that supports your contention that you are egyptian royalty because one of your ancestors was, I'd be happy to read it.

Too ridiculous.

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Reply #84 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Well considering you sat there in Melbourne trying to work out who went to public and who went to private only goes to show you have some stereotype that you use to distinguish between the two,

Not true, I retrospectively did it and like I said, honestly couldn't tell you who went where.
I could have a guess but I wouldn't be 100% correct, I may not even get 50%.

Hence the point, there is no difference. It is down to the individual.

Some of the dumbest kids at my school were sons of very wealthy, very connected individuals.
In fact one outright plank was the grandson of a Tory MP and Minister in Mrs Thatcher's Government.

Ok...Ok... you did it "retrospectively." Which just goes to show you have an image of what a public school student is, and what a private school student is.

BESIDE THE POINT HOWEVER, you are still not answering why you have a problem with a review to determine a more equitable system. Differences are beside the point. The point is the current scheme is put in place with the view of giving every child support for a good education. Hence why do kids who go to public school miss out on this funding?

Public school kids DONT miss out on the funding. in fact, they get up to twice as much as private school kids.

If we include state government funding, yes ok. I am referring to federal funding.

http://www.acer.edu.au/documents/PolicyBriefs_Dowling07.pdf

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Reply #86 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:51pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Well considering you sat there in Melbourne trying to work out who went to public and who went to private only goes to show you have some stereotype that you use to distinguish between the two,

Not true, I retrospectively did it and like I said, honestly couldn't tell you who went where.
I could have a guess but I wouldn't be 100% correct, I may not even get 50%.

Hence the point, there is no difference. It is down to the individual.

Some of the dumbest kids at my school were sons of very wealthy, very connected individuals.
In fact one outright plank was the grandson of a Tory MP and Minister in Mrs Thatcher's Government.

Ok...Ok... you did it "retrospectively." Which just goes to show you have an image of what a public school student is, and what a private school student is.

BESIDE THE POINT HOWEVER, you are still not answering why you have a problem with a review to determine a more equitable system. Differences are beside the point. The point is the current scheme is put in place with the view of giving every child support for a good education. Hence why do kids who go to public school miss out on this funding?

Public school kids DONT miss out on the funding. in fact, they get up to twice as much as private school kids.

If we include state government funding, yes ok. I am referring to federal funding.

http://www.acer.edu.au/documents/PolicyBriefs_Dowling07.pdf

Referring to federal funding alone is hardly accurate then is it? If we just talk about federal funding you can happily and easily come to the wrong conclusion. we MUST include all levels of govt funding other wise the debate is ludicrous. And since state govt funding is merely fereal govt funding channeled thru the states it would be quite fair to include that in the same bucket. Bottom line is that excluding state govt funding from the debate is wrong.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Private Schools ~ Public Funding Review Reply #87 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:53pm Is the question really, "Should public money be used to help finance a profit making private business?" Our house in North Sydney is only a few streets away from Shores and its unbelievable that a school as wealthy as that should be subsidised by taxpayers. Howards welfare for the rich gone mad?
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Reply #88 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Well considering you sat there in Melbourne trying to work out who went to public and who went to private only goes to show you have some stereotype that you use to distinguish between the two,

Not true, I retrospectively did it and like I said, honestly couldn't tell you who went where.
I could have a guess but I wouldn't be 100% correct, I may not even get 50%.

Hence the point, there is no difference. It is down to the individual.

Some of the dumbest kids at my school were sons of very wealthy, very connected individuals.
In fact one outright plank was the grandson of a Tory MP and Minister in Mrs Thatcher's Government.

Ok...Ok... you did it "retrospectively." Which just goes to show you have an image of what a public school student is, and what a private school student is.

BESIDE THE POINT HOWEVER, you are still not answering why you have a problem with a review to determine a more equitable system. Differences are beside the point. The point is the current scheme is put in place with the view of giving every child support for a good education. Hence why do kids who go to public school miss out on this funding?

Public school kids DONT miss out on the funding. in fact, they get up to twice as much as private school kids.

If we include state government funding, yes ok. I am referring to federal funding.

http://www.acer.edu.au/documents/PolicyBriefs_Dowling07.pdf

Referring to federal funding alone is hardly accurate then is it? If we just talk about federal funding you can happily and easily come to the wrong conclusion. we MUST include all levels of govt funding other wise the debate is ludicrous. And since state govt funding is merely fereal govt funding channeled thru the states it would be quite fair to include that in the same bucket. Bottom line is that excluding state govt funding from the debate is wrong.

longweekend, the debate has always been about federal funding and has never been about state funding. States might get their funds from the government, but regardless they are responsible for public education. Ultimately where their funds have come from is irrelevant.

And I am not suggesting we stop private school funding, I am suggesting we do a review to determine how else it can be done that could potentially make federal funding more fair to all kids. I suggested, from just discussions amongst friends, a voucher based system on this forum. I don't know how realistic it is, but from my opinion it makes more sense than the current approach, and actually puts in place Howards "goal" of having every child's education supported, from the FEDERAL level.

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