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Reply #1065 - Feb 1^st, 2011 at 9:09pm

mavisdavis wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 8:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 8:18pm:

whatsforme wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 7:37pm:

This is the claim from nails and batshit.
[quote]Thieving Church does children out of inheritance

To use your words.
Quote:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Can you tell me where the evidence is?

Nail & I have never claimed to have any evidence.
We only know that a family has been disinherited by a Mother who
gave the house to the catholic church & that the matter is now in court.

All we have is a suspicion that somehow the church worked on that woman -
that she was prey for a greedy church with a bad track record.

So, you admit what we already knew? All of your hysterical ravings are total lies.

But you don't know anything either. You are just hoping that someone can find some dirt on the family to justify your church taking away the family assets without making any due consideration for the disabled children involved.

You are very busy on this thread. Why not pay a visit to this other thread and defend your great institution Wink

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Reply #1066 - Feb 1^st, 2011 at 9:17pm

mavisdavis wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 8:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 8:18pm:

whatsforme wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 7:37pm:

This is the claim from nails and batshit.
[quote]Thieving Church does children out of inheritance

To use your words.
Quote:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Can you tell me where the evidence is?

Nail & I have never claimed to have any evidence.
We only know that a family has been disinherited by a Mother who
gave the house to the catholic church & that the matter is now in court.

All we have is a suspicion that somehow the church worked on that woman -
that she was prey for a greedy church with a bad track record.

So, you admit what we already knew? All of your hysterical ravings are total lies.

It's not hysterical ravings.
I am saying - Quote:

a greedy church with a bad track record

Here I am agreeing with Nail.
Much evidence was provided for that in the last 70 pages of the thread.

Mavis - with all due respect - I really don't think you read all those pages?
Sure - it's a big read - & I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.
Page after page of:
links from the internet,
books you can buy written by best selling authors,
videos from youtube,
quotes from famous respected people.

I think it's pretty detailed and damning- don't you?

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Reply #1067 - Feb 1^st, 2011 at 9:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 9:17pm:

mavisdavis wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 8:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 8:18pm:

whatsforme wrote on Feb 1^st, 2011 at 7:37pm:

This is the claim from nails and batshit.
[quote]Thieving Church does children out of inheritance

To use your words.
Quote:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Can you tell me where the evidence is?

Nail & I have never claimed to have any evidence.
We only know that a family has been disinherited by a Mother who
gave the house to the catholic church & that the matter is now in court.

All we have is a suspicion that somehow the church worked on that woman -
that she was prey for a greedy church with a bad track record.

So, you admit what we already knew? All of your hysterical ravings are total lies.

It's not hysterical ravings.
I am saying - Quote:

a greedy church with a bad track record

Here I am agreeing with Nail.
Much evidence was provided for that in the last 70 pages of the thread.

Mavis - with all due respect - I really don't think you read all those pages?
Sure - it's a big read - & I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.
Page after page of:
links from the internet,
books you can buy written by best selling authors,
videos from youtube,
quotes from famous respected people.

I think it's pretty detailed and damning- don't you?

why do people make a big deal about churches and defend them so much ??

All they do is take money from gullible people using a form of psychological extortion then they throw a few crumbs at the poor whilst pocketing the rest. It's just a big business in disguise where what they are selling is a whole lot of unsubstantiated intangible drivel Sad

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Re: Thieving Church does children out of inheritance
Reply #1068 - Feb 1^st, 2011 at 9:26pm

Nail.
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why do people make a big deal about churches and defend them so much.

All they do is take money from gullible people using a form of psychological extortion then they throw a few crumbs at the poor whilst pocketing the rest. It's just a big business in disguise where what they are selling is a whole lot of unsubstantiated intangible drivel

Hi Nail,
I couldn't agree more.
Maybe Mavis will come around to our way of thinking
unless she's another born again - bible basher - who's turned up?

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Reply #1069 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

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Reply #1070 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

You have made some pretty good points there Verge - for once.
The most likely outcome - in my opinion is that the court will rule
that the will was valid & the church will get the loot.
The judge will probably say something like e.g.

While I sympathise with the family the law must be upheld.

The state will have to look after the disabled kids & provide housing
for them - that means - you & me the taxpayer.

The church will add to their already multi billion dollar property portfolio.

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Reply #1071 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 10:16am

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

Depends which perspective you are looking at it from.

From the families point of view it must feel like theft. A house where the children grew up and spent all of their time with their parents whilst at the same time the church was having a bad influence on the mother so much so that she ignored her own children and grand children in the will.

I look at it from the children's point of view and to me it spells theft !!

The point I am making is the church could easily hand back the house to the children but it won't. It would be different if the woman had no offspring to bequeath her estate to but there is and they have not been considered in the will.

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Reply #1072 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 10:21am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

You have made some pretty good points there Verge - for once.
The most likely outcome - in my opinion is that the court will rule
that the will was valid & the church will get the loot.
The judge will probably say something like e.g.

While I sympathise with the family the law must be upheld.

The state will have to look after the disabled kids & provide housing
for them - that means - you & me the taxpayer.

The church will add to their already multi billion dollar property portfolio.

It is all to easy for an unknown third party to walk in off the street and have a new will made and the estate handed over to this person all because elderly people are sick and not of sound mind. It is then the responsibility of the family to contest the will in court and try and prove the deceased was not of sound mind which is sometimes very difficult.

The law should be changed so that blow-ins can't do this because it is tantamount to theft.

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Reply #1073 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 10:31am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

You have made some pretty good points there Verge - for once.
The most likely outcome - in my opinion is that the court will rule
that the will was valid & the church will get the loot.
The judge will probably say something like e.g.

While I sympathise with the family the law must be upheld.

The state will have to look after the disabled kids & provide housing
for them - that means - you & me the taxpayer.

The church will add to their already multi billion dollar property portfolio.

The law will sympathize with the church because of its benevolent status in society even though it will probably be just another house added to its billion dollkar property portfolio Sad

The court will be satisfied that the family was considered when the mother bequeathed a small amount of money to the children and grand children. I suspect that some flunky from the church has already got at the mother because somehow the will reads like it has considered provision for the children by bequeathing a small amount of money to them.

The question is why did she not leave the lot to the church or why didn't she leave the small amount of money to the church and leave the house to the children ??

There is something wrong here.

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Reply #1075 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 11:55am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 10:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

You have made some pretty good points there Verge - for once.
The most likely outcome - in my opinion is that the court will rule
that the will was valid & the church will get the loot.
The judge will probably say something like e.g.

While I sympathise with the family the law must be upheld.

The state will have to look after the disabled kids & provide housing
for them - that means - you & me the taxpayer.

The church will add to their already multi billion dollar property portfolio.

It is all to easy for an unknown third party to walk in off the street and have a new will made and the estate handed over to this person all because elderly people are sick and not of sound mind. It is then the responsibility of the family to contest the will in court and try and prove the deceased was not of sound mind which is sometimes very difficult.

The law should be changed so that blow-ins can't do this because it is tantamount to theft.

There is nothing in the article to suggest the will was changed while the woman was sick.

If it was me, it would be the first thing I would be telling everyone eg "they conned her while she was sick" but they havent. Thats what makes the think this was a decision the woman made some time ago.

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Reply #1076 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:29pm

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 11:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 10:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

You have made some pretty good points there Verge - for once.
The most likely outcome - in my opinion is that the court will rule
that the will was valid & the church will get the loot.
The judge will probably say something like e.g.

While I sympathise with the family the law must be upheld.

The state will have to look after the disabled kids & provide housing
for them - that means - you & me the taxpayer.

The church will add to their already multi billion dollar property portfolio.

It is all to easy for an unknown third party to walk in off the street and have a new will made and the estate handed over to this person all because elderly people are sick and not of sound mind. It is then the responsibility of the family to contest the will in court and try and prove the deceased was not of sound mind which is sometimes very difficult.

The law should be changed so that blow-ins can't do this because it is tantamount to theft.

There is nothing in the article to suggest the will was changed while the woman was sick.

If it was me, it would be the first thing I would be telling everyone eg "they conned her while she was sick" but they havent. Thats what makes the think this was a decision the woman made some time ago.

How do you know she wasn't sick ? At the very least she was old and vulnerable and most likely scared of dying. Making her will out to a bunch of Charletons who think they have a monopoly on life and death may have made her feel better and less guilty for all of her sins.

And she doesn't have to change the will. She could just sign another one written by someone else making the previous will null and void. In fact a will written on a bit of dunny roll is legally binding now. The laws regarding wills and probates has been relaxed a lot in the past few years that's why there has been a proliferation of diy will kits.

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Reply #1077 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:51pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:29pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 11:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 10:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 6:33am:

The Church may be greedy, thats a matter of opinion.

This Church are not thieves until proven so.

The Catholic Church does have a horrible track record - fact.

This is doesnt change the fact that proving the woman was of sound mind when gifting her house to the Church, it is ultimatley her decision to do so, and that decision should always be respected.

The decision doesnt have to be liked, but remember it was hers to give, not the childrens to receive.

Its not about defending the Church Nail and Bobby, its about defending the womans right to do with her assets as she pleases. Throwing around a few thousand years of poor behaviour doesnt prove a single thing. A judge will want to know the same things I do. They will review medical records and the date of the will and rule. Emotion and whom it is gifted to is irrelevant.

You have made some pretty good points there Verge - for once.
The most likely outcome - in my opinion is that the court will rule
that the will was valid & the church will get the loot.
The judge will probably say something like e.g.

While I sympathise with the family the law must be upheld.

The state will have to look after the disabled kids & provide housing
for them - that means - you & me the taxpayer.

The church will add to their already multi billion dollar property portfolio.

It is all to easy for an unknown third party to walk in off the street and have a new will made and the estate handed over to this person all because elderly people are sick and not of sound mind. It is then the responsibility of the family to contest the will in court and try and prove the deceased was not of sound mind which is sometimes very difficult.

The law should be changed so that blow-ins can't do this because it is tantamount to theft.

There is nothing in the article to suggest the will was changed while the woman was sick.

If it was me, it would be the first thing I would be telling everyone eg "they conned her while she was sick" but they havent. Thats what makes the think this was a decision the woman made some time ago.

How do you know she wasn't sick ? At the very least she was old and vulnerable and most likely scared of dying. Making her will out to a bunch of Charletons who think they have a monopoly on life and death may have made her feel better and less guilty for all of her sins.

And she doesn't have to change the will. She could just sign another one written by someone else making the previous will null and void. In fact a will written on a bit of dunny roll is legally binding now. The laws regarding wills and probates has been relaxed a lot in the past few years that's why there has been a proliferation of diy will kits.

Im aware of how wills work, however there is nothing to suggest a will was changed or a new one made.

I believe if there had been it would have been in the opening line as it is so cruitial. Ive drawn a conclusion that its a long standing will as a result.

I know the first thing I would be up in arms about would be if it was signed in her delcining times as opposed to a decade ago.

You assume the will is a new one and the church has swooped on a sick woman. If this was the case I reckon it would have surfaced at the first instance.

I personally think she has left to them in a will dated long ago when the property wasnt worth much.

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Reply #1078 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 1:06pm

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:51pm:

Im aware of how wills work, however there is nothing to suggest a will was changed or a new one made.

I believe if there had been it would have been in the opening line as it is so cruitial. Ive drawn a conclusion that its a long standing will as a result.

I know the first thing I would be up in arms about would be if it was signed in her delcining times as opposed to a decade ago.

You assume the will is a new one and the church has swooped on a sick woman. If this was the case I reckon it would have surfaced at the first instance.

I personally think she has left to them in a will dated long ago when the property wasnt worth much.

You can't assume anything in my experience. Perhaps the old lady kept telling her kids that she would look after them in her will when she didn't really mean it. The kids naturally thought that it would all be left to them and so they became complacent until she kicked off and the truth came out. I have seen this happen to other people and then comes the shock followed by the anger Sad

The other thing is why would she leave the house to the church ?? Doesn't the church need money to spend on the poor and not a house ?? It doesn't make sense. The old lady left the little money she had to her children and gave the house to the church. Shouldn't it be the other way around ??

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Reply #1079 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 1:11pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 1:06pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:51pm:

Im aware of how wills work, however there is nothing to suggest a will was changed or a new one made.

I believe if there had been it would have been in the opening line as it is so cruitial. Ive drawn a conclusion that its a long standing will as a result.

I know the first thing I would be up in arms about would be if it was signed in her delcining times as opposed to a decade ago.

You assume the will is a new one and the church has swooped on a sick woman. If this was the case I reckon it would have surfaced at the first instance.

I personally think she has left to them in a will dated long ago when the property wasnt worth much.

You can't assume anything in my experience. Perhaps the old lady kept telling her kids that she would look after them in her will when she didn't really mean it. The kids naturally thought that it would all be left to them and so they became complacent until she kicked off and the truth came out. I have seen this happen to other people and then comes the shock followed by the anger Sad

The other thing is why would she leave the house to the church ?? Doesn't the church need money to spend on the poor and not a house ?? It doesn't make sense. The old lady left the little money she had to her children and gave the house to the church. Shouldn't it be the other way around ??

Well nails, as I've said before, without know the family, there's really know way to tell why she didn't leave them the house....

It could simply be she was tired of the arguments about which child deserved it more?? Or that she knew for certain that they'd fight each other and sue, scream, rant rave etc.....so it was simpler to give THEM some cash and leave the house to a group that was capable of using it for better purposes?

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