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Reply #30 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 10:39pm  
cats should be trained to kill Indian minor birds as they are now in plague proportions and killing off other native birds Sad
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Reply #31 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 10:43pm  
Verge wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 10:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 9:14pm:
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Gee freediver, I didnt realise you were such a favourite of lizards


I'm not, but I do respect the need to conserve biodiversity and I am realistic about the nature of cats. I just don't confuse biodiversity for the 10 or so backyard species that I like and can identify.

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I guess its time to lock the dogs up as well since they eat them too.


Which do you think eats more? I know dogs make more of a fuss about catching (or at least chasing) lizards, but I can guarantee you your cat kills far more.

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I just hope you apply the same car to our wildlife when you speak out against road users since vehicles would do more damage to the ecolife than my cat could ever hope


So instead of you controlling your cat, everyone else should stop driving? Sounds like a good way of avoiding taking any responsibility for your own behaviour.


Just merely highlighting a gross misrepresentation in your claim about my cat.  While the great white hunter takes the odd lizard, my car in the ten years I did heavy commuting to work wiped out so much wildlife it was sad.  Cars by design are wildlife killers.  I cant go crook at my cat for the odd lizard and grasshoppers during a plaugue when my car has wiped out thousands of animals and reptiles can I.  Only two weeks ago I ran over a baby turtle.  I was sad it happened but I didnt lock up the car and not drive it again.


Perhaps you should lock up your car if you are that bad at driving. Hope you don't hit a kid one day.

Your cat would still have killed more animals than your car. Your cat will still be your cat if you take responsibility and stop it killing.

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In the middle of suburbia however I don't really see them being that damaging.


The middle of suburbia can actually be a refuge for some native animals. Suburbia tends to be on the most 'inherently productive' land - land that everywhere has been cleared for farming. There are usually creeks and streambeds everywhere. It can provide a some niche environments.

In any case, not all your neighbours will agree that suburbia is only for cats and dogs.

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cats should be trained to kill Indian minor birds as they are now in plague proportions and killing off other native birds


Unfortunately the introduced bird species tend to be better at avoiding cats than the local ones.
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Reply #32 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 9:22am  
freediver wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 10:43pm:
Verge wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 10:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 9:14pm:
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Gee freediver, I didnt realise you were such a favourite of lizards


I'm not, but I do respect the need to conserve biodiversity and I am realistic about the nature of cats. I just don't confuse biodiversity for the 10 or so backyard species that I like and can identify.

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I guess its time to lock the dogs up as well since they eat them too.


Which do you think eats more? I know dogs make more of a fuss about catching (or at least chasing) lizards, but I can guarantee you your cat kills far more.

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I just hope you apply the same car to our wildlife when you speak out against road users since vehicles would do more damage to the ecolife than my cat could ever hope


So instead of you controlling your cat, everyone else should stop driving? Sounds like a good way of avoiding taking any responsibility for your own behaviour.


Just merely highlighting a gross misrepresentation in your claim about my cat.  While the great white hunter takes the odd lizard, my car in the ten years I did heavy commuting to work wiped out so much wildlife it was sad.  Cars by design are wildlife killers.  I cant go crook at my cat for the odd lizard and grasshoppers during a plaugue when my car has wiped out thousands of animals and reptiles can I.  Only two weeks ago I ran over a baby turtle.  I was sad it happened but I didnt lock up the car and not drive it again.


Perhaps you should lock up your car if you are that bad at driving. Hope you don't hit a kid one day.

Your cat would still have killed more animals than your car. Your cat will still be your cat if you take responsibility and stop it killing.

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In the middle of suburbia however I don't really see them being that damaging.


The middle of suburbia can actually be a refuge for some native animals. Suburbia tends to be on the most 'inherently productive' land - land that everywhere has been cleared for farming. There are usually creeks and streambeds everywhere. It can provide a some niche environments.

In any case, not all your neighbours will agree that suburbia is only for cats and dogs.

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cats should be trained to kill Indian minor birds as they are now in plague proportions and killing off other native birds


Unfortunately the introduced bird species tend to be better at avoiding cats than the local ones.


FD, I used to do open road driving, around 50,000kms a year in regional Oz, you are going to take out birds, lizards, kangaroos a plenty.  You should try driving around when its harvest season and there is grain on the sides of the road all the time (I admit its not as bad these days now grain sites turnaway overloaded trucks.  When they used to overload spilt grain used to be everywhere) it wasnt unusual to hit around 15 to 20 bird a day to and from work.

So no, Im not a bad driver, its the perils of driving in regional Australia.

I was nearly proved wrong yesterday afternoon though.  I went outside to call the cat, did the one call and whistle and nothing.  Did it again, nothing.  Repeated another three times and thought great, now the little poo defies me after I talked her up.  As I went inside I walked past our bedroom and heard her meow.  My wife, annoyed with me for leaving the walk in robe door open, shut it without actually looking inside.  She must have went in there for a sleep during the day since its dark and warm, and my wife locked her in.

In residential areas where people spray their gardens to be rid of bugs and such, my cat cleaning them up just saves me a job.  I have yet to see a mouse since we got her either.
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Reply #33 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 10:03am  
Good how you mention mice.
Did anyone read what I wrote?


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I saw a doco on TV once that said something along these lines:

"modern human civilisation would not have flourished without cats
because we would have been overrun with rats & mice & bubonic plague.
Indeed the bubonic plague happened after cats were considered
devils by the church & destroyed.
The rats had a field day & millions died from the bubonic plague
carried inside the fleas on the rats.
It nearly wiped out Europe."
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Reply #34 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 12:20pm  
I like cats. ...
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Reply #35 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:46pm  
I like cats too.

2 cats down, 2 to go. I caught the mother cat last night.

The shelter has some nice black and white kittens with deep blue eyes.
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Reply #36 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:51pm  
I like turtles.
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Reply #37 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 8:54am  
I put the trap back out on Friday night and caught another one. It was the tortoiseshell kitten. Only the grey kitten left to go. It was meowing forlornly last night.

Apparently the neighbours have named them all.
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Reply #38 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 9:14am  
freediver wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 7:35pm:
I called the council about disposing of some cats this morning. Apparently they will do it commercial property, but in residential areas you have to do it yourself. That means you have to hire a cat trap or pay someone to come out and set one.

Does this seem reasonable to you?

I think it just encourages people to not bother dealing with the problem. It's not like a feral cat will stick around one residential property. I have seen it at around half a dozen properties nearby. I have only seen it inside my yard since it had kittens. The council's policy forces people to take financial responsibility for a problem that someone else created.

It also encourages people to take a simpler option, like hitting it over the head with a cricket bat. This is arguably more humane, though it is hard to change your mind if it turns out to be someone'e pet.

Anyway, I just finished building myself a simple deadfall trap and have put some old tinned fish out beside it to get the cat used to it.


I think you need the old lady who swallowed the fly, who swallowed a spider to catch the fly.  I dunno why she swallowed that fly , perhaps she'll die?

Was there ever an old lady who swallowed a cat. ..by that I mean to catch the bat who swallowed the rat who gnawed holes in your mat?

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Reply #39 - Jan 24th, 2011 at 9:53am  
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 8:54am:
I put the trap back out on Friday night and caught another one. It was the tortoiseshell kitten. Only the grey kitten left to go. It was meowing forlornly last night.

Apparently the neighbours have named them all.


Are you taking them to the shelter once you catch them?

I will say I would rather see cats put down then see them become feral and pests.
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Reply #40 - Jan 24th, 2011 at 10:09am  
Verge wrote on Jan 24th, 2011 at 9:53am:
Are you taking them to the shelter once you catch them?

I will say I would rather see cats put down then see them become feral and pests.


I've had an abandoned cat in my garden for a couple of months now. I've been feeding it because I just haven't had any other options open and he had been starved. I can't pick it up - nor will anyone else, although he's quite a sweet little thing. If he scratches or bites - it's too easy to get an infection.

I don't like the thought of any healthy animal being put down, but the cat in my garden is sick. The RSPCA ambulance will pick him up, but only if I can get him tame enough to come inside so I can lock him in a room. Then they'll pick him up. It's a long process.

He'll be put down unfortunately - along with the other 200,000 abandoned dogs and cats euthanised annually. The RSPCA has no choice as the long term confinement of animals is cruel regardless of them being in good health.

What can you do with cats though? They are so destructive. I found a dead possum in my garden the other day and could only think this cat killed it.

If there's a choice between wildlife and stray cats and dogs - wildlife has to come first.
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Reply #41 - Jan 24th, 2011 at 9:58pm  
Yes I drop them at the shelter. I could not be certain that the mother cat was not someone's pet. Apparently they can go a bit wierd when they give birth. Also my trap is not made well enough to allow me to do it myself, though I expect it would be more humane once you take the time involved and car trip into account.

Mantra, if you are going to that much trouble you should make a trap, like I did. If you are prepared to sit there and wait, get a milk crate or something a bit heavier, prop one side up with a stick, and put food under it. Tie a string around the stick you can pull it out at the right moment. Then put a few bricks on it and call the RSPCA, or have a lid handy that you can slide under and secure tightly. Make sure the cat doesn't escape as you may have trouble the second time. It's a great activity for kids.
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Reply #42 - Jan 24th, 2011 at 10:26pm  
mellie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 9:14am:
freediver wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 7:35pm:
I called the council about disposing of some cats this morning. Apparently they will do it commercial property, but in residential areas you have to do it yourself. That means you have to hire a cat trap or pay someone to come out and set one.

Does this seem reasonable to you?

I think it just encourages people to not bother dealing with the problem. It's not like a feral cat will stick around one residential property. I have seen it at around half a dozen properties nearby. I have only seen it inside my yard since it had kittens. The council's policy forces people to take financial responsibility for a problem that someone else created.

It also encourages people to take a simpler option, like hitting it over the head with a cricket bat. This is arguably more humane, though it is hard to change your mind if it turns out to be someone'e pet.

Anyway, I just finished building myself a simple deadfall trap and have put some old tinned fish out beside it to get the cat used to it.


I think you need the old lady who swallowed the fly, who swallowed a spider to catch the fly.  I dunno why she swallowed that fly , perhaps she'll die?

Was there ever an old lady who swallowed a cat. ..by that I mean to catch the bat who swallowed the rat who gnawed holes in your mat?

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Reply #43 - Jan 25th, 2011 at 9:59am  
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2011 at 9:58pm:
Mantra, if you are going to that much trouble you should make a trap, like I did. If you are prepared to sit there and wait, get a milk crate or something a bit heavier, prop one side up with a stick, and put food under it. Tie a string around the stick you can pull it out at the right moment. Then put a few bricks on it and call the RSPCA, or have a lid handy that you can slide under and secure tightly. Make sure the cat doesn't escape as you may have trouble the second time. It's a great activity for kids.


The cat would get too distressed if it was trapped - it's a yowler and the sound of it's screeching would get to me. You have to also book the pickup - so it could remain trapped for a day or so in the heat.

I'm trying the most humane approach and started yesterday by letting it in for 5 minutes. He immediately went over and sprayed on my curtains. It was like letting a skunk into the house.

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It also encourages people to take a simpler option, like hitting it over the head with a cricket bat. This is arguably more humane, though it is hard to change your mind if it turns out to be someone'e pet.


Hitting an animal over the head is the humane option when you consider the stress of them being trapped, dragged to a strange place for a week then euthanised, but a cat is too big for that.

I used to be able to purchase ether from the chemist, although it's illegal to sell. Unfortunately it's rarely stocked any more, but it's a quick painless method of putting small injured animals down. Vets don't use it either, regardless of the stress and pain caused by a large needle.

If people cared for their cats, they would keep them inside or in a run. It's the cat who suffers when others have to dispose of it. Too many cats aren't microchipped or desexed - yet their owners profess to love them.
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Reply #44 - Jan 25th, 2011 at 10:55pm  
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I'm trying the most humane approach and started yesterday by letting it in for 5 minutes. He immediately went over and sprayed on my curtains. It was like letting a skunk into the house.


You are way to kind to that cat mantra.

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but a cat is too big for that


What would be the 'ideal' size? I would have thought of a cat as ideal. Any smaller and you risk mishitting.

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I used to be able to purchase ether from the chemist, although it's illegal to sell. Unfortunately it's rarely stocked any more, but it's a quick painless method of putting small injured animals down. Vets don't use it either, regardless of the stress and pain caused by a large needle.


Interesting. Is that what they use in movies with a cloth?
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