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Re: WHY?
Reply #15 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
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j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

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Re: WHY?
Reply #16 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:20pm

... wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:12pm:

... wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:08pm:

You'd have to be in WA to see for yourself.

care to offer something to prove that they DRAFT laws rather than make recommendations?

and even if they did (or any other group), it is still parliament that passes them so i reject your assertion that the police ar a political force. I can think they are petty, incompetent and stupid. I dont think much of them at all. But they arent a political group.

there was some editorial in the west australian a few months back that made the claims...I can't be bothered trying to find it now.

if the police draft the legislation it woudl obviously be biased but it STILL has to get thru parliament. the public service is an apolitical group but it too drafts legislation. I just fail to see the jsutifciation in the 'political' claim. Drafting legislation is not a political function - it is an administrative or govermental one.

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Reply #17 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:23pm

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
best,
j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

if 90% voted informal, the votes of the remaining 10% are who choose the candidates - as you would expect.

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Re: WHY?
Reply #18 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Sappho wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:06pm:

Not only that, every department (via its senior public servants) drafts bills on behalf of its minister or cabinet. Senior public servants are professionals in their department's functions. Who else would you get to draft bills for, say, a Transport Department, other than the professionals who have spent decades in the field?

Not only that every senior public servant have technical and legal staff that do the bulk of the drafting of the bill which the senior oversees.

Yes, no doubt. I'm not sure why some people think its a black art.

Maybe because the language of law is extremely technical and beyond the comprehension of most?

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Reply #19 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:20pm:

... wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:12pm:

... wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:08pm:

You'd have to be in WA to see for yourself.

care to offer something to prove that they DRAFT laws rather than make recommendations?

and even if they did (or any other group), it is still parliament that passes them so i reject your assertion that the police ar a political force. I can think they are petty, incompetent and stupid. I dont think much of them at all. But they arent a political group.

there was some editorial in the west australian a few months back that made the claims...I can't be bothered trying to find it now.

if the police draft the legislation it woudl obviously be biased but it STILL has to get thru parliament. the public service is an apolitical group but it too drafts legislation. I just fail to see the jsutifciation in the 'political' claim. Drafting legislation is not a political function - it is an administrative or govermental one.

I wouldn't say biased except that police have at-the-coal-face experience... If the senior executive believe laws need to be enacted, you can bet those seniors have met with the minister and cabinet numerous times to discuss the proposed changes to legislation.

BTW when it comes to the Police Department, the police are bound by the laws as enacted by Parliament, not the instructions of the minister or cabinet. That's to ensure the Police do not become an instrument of political oppression.

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Reply #20 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:32pm

Sappho wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Sappho wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:06pm:

Not only that, every department (via its senior public servants) drafts bills on behalf of its minister or cabinet. Senior public servants are professionals in their department's functions. Who else would you get to draft bills for, say, a Transport Department, other than the professionals who have spent decades in the field?

Not only that every senior public servant have technical and legal staff that do the bulk of the drafting of the bill which the senior oversees.

Yes, no doubt. I'm not sure why some people think its a black art.

Maybe because the language of law is extremely technical and beyond the comprehension of most?

Evoking a paranoid and voodoo mentality?

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Re: WHY?
Reply #21 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:23pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
best,
j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

if 90% voted informal, the votes of the remaining 10% are who choose the candidates - as you would expect.

There was someone a few elections a while ago who tried to publicise this prior to an election yet was gagged. Does anyone remember this and know the details?

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Re: WHY?
Reply #22 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:51pm

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:23pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
best,
j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

if 90% voted informal, the votes of the remaining 10% are who choose the candidates - as you would expect.

There was someone a few elections a while ago who tried to publicise this prior to an election yet was gagged. Does anyone remember this and know the details?

publish what? the fact that an informal vote doesnt count? u need to be TOLD that?

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Re: WHY?
Reply #23 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:53pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:32pm:

Sappho wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Sappho wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:06pm:

Not only that, every department (via its senior public servants) drafts bills on behalf of its minister or cabinet. Senior public servants are professionals in their department's functions. Who else would you get to draft bills for, say, a Transport Department, other than the professionals who have spent decades in the field?

Not only that every senior public servant have technical and legal staff that do the bulk of the drafting of the bill which the senior oversees.

Yes, no doubt. I'm not sure why some people think its a black art.

Maybe because the language of law is extremely technical and beyond the comprehension of most?

Evoking a paranoid and voodoo mentality?

I don't know.
I do think that a sound education should provide knowledge on the various ways in which law is created and interpreted.

As an aside, I think that knowledge on finance is rather important. I hear too many of my friends and colleagues speak guff based on spin then blame the finance industry when they get burned. If they knew what they were doing....

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Re: WHY?
Reply #24 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:51pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:23pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
best,
j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

if 90% voted informal, the votes of the remaining 10% are who choose the candidates - as you would expect.

There was someone a few elections a while ago who tried to publicise this prior to an election yet was gagged. Does anyone remember this and know the details?

publish what? the fact that an informal vote doesnt count? u need to be TOLD that?

I realise you don't know, so the question is directed at other posters.

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Re: WHY?
Reply #25 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:15pm

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:51pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:23pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
best,
j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

if 90% voted informal, the votes of the remaining 10% are who choose the candidates - as you would expect.

There was someone a few elections a while ago who tried to publicise this prior to an election yet was gagged. Does anyone remember this and know the details?

publish what? the fact that an informal vote doesnt count? u need to be TOLD that?

I realise you don't know, so the question is directed at other posters.

obviously YOU needed to be told that informal votes dont count!

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Reply #26 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:15pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:51pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:23pm:

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

djrbfm wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

just a simple question.
WHY, if everyone is so unhappy with the shape of things here, WHY can't we just kick these incumbents out and get ppl we really like in Gov't.
best,
j.

The incumbents, Liberal and Labor, work together to keep the Status Quo.

If the majority voted informal, do we get another election with brand new candidates?

if 90% voted informal, the votes of the remaining 10% are who choose the candidates - as you would expect.

There was someone a few elections a while ago who tried to publicise this prior to an election yet was gagged. Does anyone remember this and know the details?

publish what? the fact that an informal vote doesnt count? u need to be TOLD that?

I realise you don't know, so the question is directed at other posters.

obviously YOU needed to be told that informal votes dont count!

got to have the last word old man.

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Re: WHY?
Reply #27 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:26pm

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As an aside, I think that knowledge on finance is rather important. I hear too many of my friends and colleagues speak guff based on spin then blame the finance industry when they get burned. If they knew what they were doing....

-Sapho

As an aside, have you ever browsed the Bankruptcy notices in the daily papers?
If so you may have noticed the disproportionate number of "Financial Advisors" that find their way into those columns.
I always used to get a laugh from seeing them there, and also reinforced my opinion that the majority are sadly incompetent, or dishonest.

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Reply #28 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:45pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

Quote:

As an aside, I think that knowledge on finance is rather important. I hear too many of my friends and colleagues speak guff based on spin then blame the finance industry when they get burned. If they knew what they were doing....

-Sapho

As an aside, have you ever browsed the Bankruptcy notices in the daily papers?
If so you may have noticed the disproportionate number of "Financial Advisors" that find their way into those columns.
I always used to get a laugh from seeing them there, and also reinforced my opinion that the majority are sadly incompetent, or dishonest.

My first cousin was a financial advisor... no qualifications required when he started 20 years ago... he and I have had some fine ol' disputes about the nature of finance and wealth acquisition. He belongs to that group who spins the guff my friends and colleagues take as gospel... and yes, he went bankrupt too.

A financial advisor merely spins the products for which they get a kick back... in the main.

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