Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 10:21pm:


That's true Nail but the allies also did some appalling things during wars.
War brings out latent evil in all so called civilisations.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 9:58pm:



You don`t know that, once again you are on an emotional estrogen trip.  Please research your subject "preferably by first hand experience", and get bact to us when you actually know something.

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 3:18pm:


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KYODO SENPAKU KAISHA LTD
Respondent
JUDGE: ALLSOP J
DATE OF ORDER: 15 JANUARY 2008
WHERE MADE: SYDNEY
1. THE COURT DECLARES that the respondent has killed, injured, taken and
interfered with Antarctic minke whales (Balaenoptera bonaerensis) and fin
whales (Balaenoptera physalus) and injured, taken and interfered with humpback
whales (Megaptera novaeangliae) in the Australian Whale Sanctuary in
contravention of sections 229, 229A, 229B and 229C of the Environment
Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 (Cth), (the "Act"), and has
treated and possessed such whales killed or taken in the Australian Whale
Sanctuary in contravention of sections 229D and 230 of the Act, without
permission or authorisation under sections 231, 232 or 238 of the Act.

2. THE COURT ORDERS that the respondent be restrained from killing, injuring,
taking or interfering with any Antarctic minke whale (Balaenoptera bonaerensis),
fin whale (Balaenoptera physalus) or humpback whale (Megaptera novaeangliae)
in the Australian Whale Sanctuary, or treating or possessing any such whale killed
or taken in the Australian Whale Sanctuary, unless permitted or authorised under
sections 231, 232 or 238 of the........

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:14pm:



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So you originally said that it was the most sustainable meat available.

I talk about unrestricted whaling and you say its a dichotomy - you now seem to have said that it is the most sustainable as long as it is restricted to a small number of nations.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 3:41pm:


It is not the number of nations carrying out the harvest that matters, but the magnitude of the harvest.

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So you think they were sentenced to jail time? have a read of your own post on the matter once more. Like I said, the law does not follow your prejudice, which is why there is nothing we can do about it.

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 3:47pm:



They have been in contempt of that ruling for a lot of years - What happens to people found to be in contempt of court rulings or found to have charges to answer and are likley to abscond?

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There are many factors that contribute to how sustainable a source of meat is. Obviously if you take such a narrow minded view to measuring sustainability it would appear that those other meats are more sustainable. But you would be wrong.

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No they haven't. Read it for yourself. After all, you posted it. The ruling imposes no requirement on the Japanese whalers, for the simple reason that they are not under the jurisdiction of the court in question. Again, you need to put the law before your prejudice if you want to come to grips with the actual legal position.

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So you think that whether they were in Australia is irrelevant?

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There is not 'share' established yet. The international community will need to acknowledge the reality of commercial whaling before that can happen. It is kind of hard to demand a share of the whale harvest while at the same time pretending it is illegal.

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Sure it is. It is also an Australian tradition that was only recently abandoned.

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Sustainability is not a property of a particular method, only the extent to which it and other methods are implimeted. You need to understand sustainability instead of trying to use it to impose your prejudice on others.

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Quite the opposite. They (along with all other whaling nations) have proven that they are capable in that they took the most drastic measure ever taken, and were successful. They are now quite justifiably moving towards a resumption of commercial whaling. Or perhaps you think they have hunted whales to extinction? It is best not to put your prejudice before the facts.