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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #30 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:03am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 7:58am:

And still no one has come up with a convincing argument as to why we need this enormously expensive network as opposed the the solution of simply ensuring ADLS2+ goes to everyone.

They`re just after a freebie at the expense of the welfare of the Nation. These desperates would sell their mothers for a handout.

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Reply #31 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:04am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:46am:

laborfornever wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 5:57pm:

If it costs more than $50 a month for unlimited down loads at the same speed I have at present I'll not take it up, instead I'll vist interent cafes 2-3x a month.

Can anyine tell me how will it benefit me an average consumer who checks ebay the weather a few surf websites buy some cloths on line etc.

Yes it'll cost more than $50 a month
And as for thebenefit, well the ALP haven't released any Cost Benefit Analysis.
Instead they just want to spend money for the sake of it. And by the time it is available it will be out of date - make sense out of that!
Besides there's better & cheaper alternatives.

TOTAL LIE!
UTTER BS!

There are NO Better alternatives than FTTH.

As far as whining about the cost, well while you and your type are on their typical extreme right wing ME, ME, ME first, last, and only, attitude, maybe you should start running around demanding they kill all the the sick, elderly, and disabled, as they cost us all a packet to look after.
I mean, so long as YOU can get a better tax break, we would hate to think you may involuntarily become a net contributor to a caring society.
Enjoy your soylent green you selfish, self absorbed loons.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #32 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 7:58am:

And still no one has come up with a convincing argument as to why we need this enormously expensive network as opposed the the solution of simply ensuring ADLS2+ goes to everyone.

How do you do that, given that the copper network will only support ADSL2+ to homes within a few kms of the exchange?

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #33 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:09am

mozzaok wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:04am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:46am:

laborfornever wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 5:57pm:

If it costs more than $50 a month for unlimited down loads at the same speed I have at present I'll not take it up, instead I'll vist interent cafes 2-3x a month.

Can anyine tell me how will it benefit me an average consumer who checks ebay the weather a few surf websites buy some cloths on line etc.

Yes it'll cost more than $50 a month
And as for thebenefit, well the ALP haven't released any Cost Benefit Analysis.
Instead they just want to spend money for the sake of it. And by the time it is available it will be out of date - make sense out of that!
Besides there's better & cheaper alternatives.

TOTAL LIE!
UTTER BS!

There are NO Better alternatives than FTTH.

As far as whining about the cost, well while you and your type are on their typical extreme right wing ME, ME, ME first, last, and only, attitude, maybe you should start running around demanding they kill all the the sick, elderly, and disabled, as they cost us all a packet to look after.
I mean, so long as YOU can get a better tax break, we would hate to think you may involuntarily become a net contributor to a caring society.
Enjoy your soylent green you selfish, self absorbed loons.

So you cant come up with a proper use for the NBN either???no surprise.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #34 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:11am

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longweekend58 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 7:58am:

And still no one has come up with a convincing argument as to why we need this enormously expensive network as opposed the the solution of simply ensuring ADLS2+ goes to everyone.

How do you do that, given that the copper network will only support ADSL2+ to homes within a few kms of the exchange?

85% of australia has adsl 2+ already and works fine. Rural areas would need a different solution for just the reason you identified. My complaint is that we areas spending 10 times as much money as necessary to give the vast number of people absolutley nothing that they dont already have.

And you havent come up with a NEED for the NBN as well.

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Reply #35 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:20am

madmozzaok - Quote:

........Why can't people see that is a very, very decent thing to do?This "profit"/"Bottom line" thinking has it's uses, but it is not the only legitimate ideal, or even one of particular importance, when talking about fairness, and Nation building.

The basic point of the NBN is that it is being built with government support, so that profit is not the sole determinant of who gets what services, so that allows absolute maximum National coverage possible, to become a primary goal of this project.

It is also an investment, and it will pay dividends, and while we certainly could earn higher, purely financial dividends, allowing paper shufflers to do their economic voodoo with the funds instead, we would not be investing in ourselves, and at the end of the day, that is exactly what the NBN is all about, the Australian government, investing in Australia, and Australians.

I think that is a very, very good thing for governments to do with our money.And yes, of course I will be connecting to the NBN, as will almost everyone, some sooner, some later, but another good thing about this project is that even those who never connect as individuals, will still derive benefits from the improved services that a world class fibre network will offer. ..........

1/ "a very vey decent thing to do" - hahahahhahahahahaha
your logic is absent.

2/ the profit/bottom line is vital. Else we'ld ALL have 14 mansions and 52 cars and 4 luxury powerboats.
try to at least orbit the world.

3/ the way it's looking, its a BAD investment. BAD investments LOSE money.

4/ they can do it with YOUR $43 B, not mine. It's a leftard loser.

5/ What ARE the benefits. I know of none for me

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #36 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:21am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 7:26am:

Those who are advocates of the white elephant, will automatically know what the answer is to this.
The NBN is being referred to as driving on a super duper highway.
What was the governemnt's involvement in producing forms of transport?
It was planes, trains, buses and trams.
Ideally everyone wants an individual vehicle.
Did the government produce the motor car, motor bike, or even a push bike or scooter?

No.
Private enterprise did.
And why was it successful?
Because people wanted it.

Private enterprise and the free market will produce the most cost efficient means.

I keep finding these gems from Miss(I have wiped stuff off the sole of my shoe, smarter than this one)AnnDrivel.

Longy at least lies with some conviction, but this cretin struggles to differentiate between a vehicle, and a Highway.
Longy pretends to have some actual knowledge about tech stuff, but whenever challenged to justify the grossly inaccurate and misleading statements, just reverts to pretending the answer is obvious and self revealing, like all these stupid claims that VDSL is better and cheaper, ADSL2 could be extended to everyone, etc.
All utter garbage.
Copper is inferior to fibre as an option as it has neither the carrying capacity, or reliability of fibre.

Copper is not a sensible choice for a National Network designed to service a growing Nation for many decades to come, and that is not going to change just because some right wing extremist resents the fact that we are all paying for services to be provided to Australians that private enterprise could never be in a position to justify on a cost benefit analysis basis.
Luckily we have a government that also considers the HUMAN benefit, that is why they are a government, and not a corporation.

If Abbott had not been such a fool in trying to block the NBN, he would be PM now, and all this negativity from the right is merely them attempting to validate his appallingly stupid decision on this issue.
Sour Grapes.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #37 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:23am

mozzaok wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:04am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:46am:

laborfornever wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 5:57pm:

If it costs more than $50 a month for unlimited down loads at the same speed I have at present I'll not take it up, instead I'll vist interent cafes 2-3x a month.

Can anyine tell me how will it benefit me an average consumer who checks ebay the weather a few surf websites buy some cloths on line etc.

Yes it'll cost more than $50 a month
And as for thebenefit, well the ALP haven't released any Cost Benefit Analysis.
Instead they just want to spend money for the sake of it. And by the time it is available it will be out of date - make sense out of that!
Besides there's better & cheaper alternatives.

TOTAL LIE!
UTTER BS!

There are NO Better alternatives than FTTH.

As far as whining about the cost, well while you and your type are on their typical extreme right wing ME, ME, ME first, last, and only, attitude, maybe you should start running around demanding they kill all the the sick, elderly, and disabled, as they cost us all a packet to look after.
I mean, so long as YOU can get a better tax break, we would hate to think you may involuntarily become a net contributor to a caring society.
Enjoy your soylent green you selfish, self absorbed loons.

Ahh you're not supposed to say people lie ,mozz, remember? LOL Grin

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #38 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:23am

What do you want me to say longweekend?

We need the NBN for the same reason we need wider roads, more dams, faster trains, bigger planes, second airports, nuclear power stations (not).

Get over it. You know enough about IT to understand the why. Remember the old apocryphal story about the world only needing 7 computers? You may remember 10 MB ethernet, or 16MB Token Ring, $1600 ethernet cards or $2000 8 port hubs. Or mainframes with 512 KB of memory and removable disks.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #39 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:27am

I see 4 certainties for Australia at the end of the decade ...

1/ Australia will have the BEST and most ENVIED National Broadband Network in the WORLD, bar none

2/ Inequality will be removed from the marriage act

3/ Australia will have a carbon tax or ETS

4/ NSW will STILL have an LNP Government

Which makes me wonder why ANY are still the subject of speculation ?

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #40 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:28am

mozzaok wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:04am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:46am:

laborfornever wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 5:57pm:

If it costs more than $50 a month for unlimited down loads at the same speed I have at present I'll not take it up, instead I'll vist interent cafes 2-3x a month.

Can anyine tell me how will it benefit me an average consumer who checks ebay the weather a few surf websites buy some cloths on line etc.

Yes it'll cost more than $50 a month
And as for thebenefit, well the ALP haven't released any Cost Benefit Analysis.
Instead they just want to spend money for the sake of it. And by the time it is available it will be out of date - make sense out of that!
Besides there's better & cheaper alternatives.

TOTAL LIE!
UTTER BS!

There are NO Better alternatives than FTTH.

As far as whining about the cost, well while you and your type are on their typical extreme right wing ME, ME, ME first, last, and only, attitude, maybe you should start running around demanding they kill all the the sick, elderly, and disabled, as they cost us all a packet to look after.
I mean, so long as YOU can get a better tax break, we would hate to think you may involuntarily become a net contributor to a caring society.
Enjoy your soylent green you selfish, self absorbed loons.

What a tantrum you tardies throw when anyone threatens to not give you free ice cream! Grin

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Reply #41 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:43am

Well I admit to being a bit passionate about this issue, and the sad fact is that at the moment I would actually prefer we had a Liberal Government in power Federally, as I have been massively disappointed in Julia Gillards performance, with her outrageous statements on the Julian Assange case being the absolute LAST straw for me.

I just wish the Libs would get rid of their obsession of trying to placate the right wing loons, which is as bad as Labor trying to placate Left wing loons.

If Malcolm Turnbull was leader of the Libs, they would be in power today, we would be building the NBN, we would have a Carbon Tax, and we would have a Liberal party that the vast majority of aussies could accept, and appreciate.

BTW, the benefit of the NBN, for those that keep asking, is that it will be a truly National network, and it will be fast, reliable, and viable, for many, many decades to come.
That is what it is all about, providing the framework for a telecommunications system that will service the country for present and future generations.

Our ageing copper network would become more and more unreliable, and more and more expensive to maintain, like an old car, it gets to the point where you end up pouring more trying to keep it going, than it is worth.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #42 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:48am

mozzaok wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:43am:

If Malcolm Turnbull was leader of the Libs, they would be in power today, we would be building the NBN, we would have a Carbon Tax, and we would have a Liberal party that the vast majority of aussies could accept, and appreciate.
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If that was the case mozz, I sincerely believe Australia would be handicapped, possibly beyond recovery, if circumstances and management didn`t favour us in the next few, recovery years.

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Reply #43 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 9:02am

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.......In today's market -- where Telstra and Optus offer 100Mbps services over their cable networks -- there is very little demand for superfast services.

According to Gartner analyst Geoff Johnson, interest in these plans has not yet materialised as there are few applications that require such speeds, and because of consumer sensitivity to the high prices these services demand. "In the domestic market, consumer sensitivity on price is everything," he said.

"More than half of the NBN's market by revenue is the consumer market and that's the market which will be price sensitive and one that adopts only what it needs." The sensitivity of value-conscious consumers has been evidenced in Singapore, where the government is rolling out its own fibre-to-the-home network.

"In Singapore, their NBN has been rolled out past 40 per cent of households, but customer take-up has been low because people just don't see the merit of it. So now the government has started imposing $400 fines on households that don't take it up," Nomura analyst Sachin Gupta said. "Unless there are some compelling applications, people just won't see the value in the top speeds being offered."...............

No business plan, no market research ........... NO DIVIDEND

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/fast-nbn-faces-slow-customer-take-up/st...

nbn bad for the environment
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PERSUADING people to recycle back-up batteries for their NBN connections could cost taxpayers up to $240 million extra.

The government has decided to supply all 12 million premises on the $36 billion fibre network with back-up battery units, including lead-acid batteries that are toxic and banned from most landfills.

Not-for-profit environmental outfit Planet Ark says the government must offer a sizeable incentive to people or they won't recycle the batteries. It called for a comprehensive awareness campaign for any recycling program.

Planet Ark campaigns manager Brad Gray said the government should be responsible for formulating a collection program........

12 million batteries !!!!!!!! all that WE pay for, thanks to you leftards

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