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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #225 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be outof date.
What will you be using then?
I guess like everyone else we will all use what the free market & capitalism will determine.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #226 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:07am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be outof date.
What will you be using then?
I guess like everyone else we will all use what the free market & capitalism will determine.

Do you think in 5, 10 or 15 years time that the patch up internet that the liberals want to give us will be better.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #227 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:29am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be outof date.
What will you be using then?
I guess like everyone else we will all use what the free market & capitalism will determine.

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Well if you think we will use what the free market and capitalism will determine than how can you be against the NBN?

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #228 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 11:15am

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

spending $43B of my money so that you can watch TV doesnt sound like a killer need for taxpayer money. thats the point. and in a proper CBA you put internet TV in the benefits and then try and justofy it. can you?

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #229 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 12:01pm

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In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be out of date.
What will you be using then?

Miss

You are starting from a false premise there Miss, a Fibre Optical Network will not be obsolete in 5, 10, or 15 years, in fact it will most likely still be the main backbone of our digital communications system in fifty years or more,with only nominal maintenance and upgrading required, with far less frequent, and far less expensive maintenance, than is required to maintain any Copper Networking alternatives.
We have already discussed these matters of fact, and linked to the supporting evidence behind these statements provided by industry experts.
If you would ever consider actually examining the evidence provided by these expert opinions, rather than merely parroting the false information being trumpeted for political motives, then you will find the "Whirlpool" forums an invaluable resource to access such information from.
Now the forums there are open, so it is not party political opinion, all going one way, and there are literally hundreds of pages of opinions there that have opponents of the NBN advocating the sort of false information that you have come to accept, but if you choose to seek out unbiased and accurate information, you can find that there as well.

This post is a good one to start you off with some of the basic facts that state the case for supporting the NBN, all I ask is that you try and take a look at these points with as open a mind as you can;
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1602609

Now, That is done, I can tell you that I do not think the NBN is a perfect plan, and I also share your concerns about the poor standards for oversights and administration of major projects by the ALP.
In fact, if the Liberal Party had offered to take over control of the NBN, and promised to deliver the same network to the same extent, I would happily have supported them, in the hope that they may be able to deliver the project more cost effectively, but they instead chose the route of acting as spoilers, promoting false and misleading information, and vowing to destroy the largest infrastructure project of our lifetime, in spite of the fact that the majority of Australians wanted it, and short sightedly ignored the need for it.
So even if it is not built with the maximum possible efficiencies, it will still be cheaper to do it now, rather than wait for another decade or more, and pay an even greater price later, and have another generation grow up with substandard access to vital communication services, and the opportunities and benefits that come with it.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #230 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 12:05pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 12:01pm:

mozzaok wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:55am:

That is all this whole debate is really over, whether it is wrong for a government to spend money to ensure that people outside of high density urban environments, should also have the chance to access modern communication services?

I think they should, so support the NBN, and I think that those who oppose it should at least be upfront and admit that their attitude is "bugger the bush", and openly announce their opposition to all government subsidised services, including health, and education, and promote their user pays philosophy for every aspect of society, because that appears to be the only argument they uniformly support.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #231 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 2:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 11:15am:

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

spending $43B of my money so that you can watch TV doesnt sound like a killer need for taxpayer money. thats the point. and in a proper CBA you put internet TV in the benefits and then try and justofy it. can you?

Longweekend, I take you as a smart person. Pls don't repeat an argument.

I find I am very much a progressive thinker, but at times I can see how conservatism is better. Knowing how much technology has just emerged and as a result changed our lives I don't understand AT ALL how someone can stay conservative about improving our infrastructure, ensuring the continuation of the growth. It isn't about internet TV, and I've already expressed this to you - something you chose to ignore.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #232 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:29am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be outof date.
What will you be using then?
I guess like everyone else we will all use what the free market & capitalism will determine.

.

Well if you think we will use what the free market and capitalism will determine than how can you be against the NBN?

You don't understand the issue do you.
Else you would not have made such a comment.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #233 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:25pm

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:07am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

John S wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

Longy you are ravering on about what you can do on the internet today.

What will you want to do in 5, 10 or 15 years time.

You be watching TV by the internet soon, as a matter of fact you can do it now. Have you got the Telstra T box. You need ADSL2+ to have and not everyone in the country has ADSL2+.

I bet in about 15 years time you won't store anything on your computer, it will all be with your ISP. The only thing you have on your computer is the operating system and and programs you download.

Think outside the box and think what the future will bring and you see we will need the NBN.

In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be outof date.
What will you be using then?
I guess like everyone else we will all use what the free market & capitalism will determine.

Do you think in 5, 10 or 15 years time that the patch up internet that the liberals want to give us will be better.

What "patch up internet system"?
You don't know what they are offering do you.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Will you connect to the NBN? Reply #235 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:46pm whatsforme wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:44pm: The NBN will not allow me to take my lap top out of the house so whats the use? Well the $34 billion includes the additional 100 or so 20-metre extension leads required that will be delivered to all households who connect!
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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #236 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 5:02pm

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:46pm:

whatsforme wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:44pm:

The NBN will not allow me to take my lap top out of the house so whats the use?

Well the $34 billion includes the additional 100 or so 20-metre extension leads required that will be delivered to all households who connect!

What a load of CRAP

I use mine up to 50m from the house, on a satellite connection
I have done so on ADSL

The NBN will be no different, in that respect

My GOD, there's some deliberately spread GARBAGE out there

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #237 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 5:28pm

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be outof date.
What will you be using then?
I guess like everyone else we will all use what the free market & capitalism will determine.

Optic fibre has been the PREMIUM in telecommunications and data transfer since the late 1960's - and it REMAINS the PREMIUM, despite some 40 plus years of research to improve on it

There are NO indications from the world of physics that this situation will change in the NEXT 40 plus years

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #238 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:05pm

whatsforme wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:44pm:

The NBN will not allow me to take my lap top out of the house so whats the use?

If you are actually stupid enough to believe that, dump the laptop and go back to using crayons.
You know those big ones they make for toddlers developing their fine motor skills, the type you could use to write all you know about this subject on the back of a postage stamp with.

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Re: Will you connect to the NBN?
Reply #239 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 6:07pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 12:01pm:

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In 5, 10 or 15 years time the Julia Gillard NBN will be out of date.
What will you be using then?

Miss

You are starting from a false premise there Miss, a Fibre Optical Network will not be obsolete in 5, 10, or 15 years, in fact it will most likely still be the main backbone of our digital communications system in fifty years or more,with only nominal maintenance and upgrading required, with far less frequent, and far less expensive maintenance, than is required to maintain any Copper Networking alternatives.
We have already discussed these matters of fact, and linked to the supporting evidence behind these statements provided by industry experts.
If you would ever consider actually examining the evidence provided by these expert opinions, rather than merely parroting the false information being trumpeted for political motives, then you will find the "Whirlpool" forums an invaluable resource to access such information from.
Now the forums there are open, so it is not party political opinion, all going one way, and there are literally hundreds of pages of opinions there that have opponents of the NBN advocating the sort of false information that you have come to accept, but if you choose to seek out unbiased and accurate information, you can find that there as well.

This post is a good one to start you off with some of the basic facts that state the case for supporting the NBN, all I ask is that you try and take a look at these points with as open a mind as you can;
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1602609

Now, That is done, I can tell you that I do not think the NBN is a perfect plan, and I also share your concerns about the poor standards for oversights and administration of major projects by the ALP.
In fact, if the Liberal Party had offered to take over control of the NBN, and promised to deliver the same network to the same extent, I would happily have supported them, in the hope that they may be able to deliver the project more cost effectively, but they instead chose the route of acting as spoilers, promoting false and misleading information, and vowing to destroy the largest infrastructure project of our lifetime, in spite of the fact that the majority of Australians wanted it, and short sightedly ignored the need for it.
So even if it is not built with the maximum possible efficiencies, it will still be cheaper to do it now, rather than wait for another decade or more, and pay an even greater price later, and have another generation grow up with substandard access to vital communication services, and the opportunities and benefits that come with it.

it is incredibly naive to believe that todays technology will be the mainstay of communication technology in 50 years time. regardless of anyones position on the NBN, that is silly. think of what our comms technoloigy was like 50 years ago when we barely even had overseas comms at all and then realis that the next 50 years will see ten times the advnaces as the last 50.

what happens to your beloved NBN if some genius develops comms technology based on neutrino packet exchange or similar that makes fully wireless, unimpeded ultra high bandwidth comms practical? overnight it wil become unloved and unused.

thats not a good reason against the NBN but its a very good scenario against your ridiculous assertion that fibre is some ultimate technology!

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