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Reply #45 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:40pm
 

they run under a left flag, and are quite central
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Reply #46 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 2:00pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:40pm:
they run under a left flag, and are quite central


No people like to assume because they are Labor they are Left, which if you look at their record since Carr at the very start is laughable.
This government has done everything from crush the right of workers injured ON THE JOB from receiving just compensation to selling just about everything of value into private hands with contracts that say if said asset doesn't make expected profit for PRIVATE owner the tax payer is liable for compensation to make up the shortfall, Cross city tunnel anyone.
FFS the Republican party looks to this government for ideas on how to screw the masses for the benefit of the few & you want to assert they are Left, commies, socialists????
Get Real, besides no one not even those from within will even whisper support for this morally corrupt arm of the Australian Labor Party.
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Reply #47 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 6:19pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Sprint, stop calling neo-conservative governments left.
They are right so all your doing is putting your own supposed beliefs down.
That's "Classic right wing"




Do you know what neo-conservative governments are?
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Reply #48 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 9:31pm
 
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 6:19pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Sprint, stop calling neo-conservative governments left.
They are right so all your doing is putting your own supposed beliefs down.
That's "Classic right wing"



Do you know what neo-conservative governments are?


You are correct got my neo's confused Shocked
Neo Liberalism would be the correct discription
Unfortunately for us virtually all state and to a certain extent the federal government(on both sides) have become fixated on only the 1st part of the theory.

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Neoliberalism seeks to transfer control of the economy from public to the private sector,[3] under the belief that it will produce a more efficient government and improve the economic health of the nation.[4] The definitive statement of the concrete policies advocated by neoliberalism is often taken to be John Williamson's[5] "Washington Consensus", a list of policy proposals that appeared to have gained consensus approval among the Washington-based international economic organizations (like the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank). Williamson's list included ten points:

   * Fiscal policy Governments should not run large deficits that have to be paid back by future citizens, and such deficits can only have a short term effect on the level of employment in the economy. Constant deficits will lead to higher inflation and lower productivity, and should be avoided. Deficits should only be used for occasional stabilization purposes.
   * Redirection of public spending from subsidies (especially what neoliberals call "indiscriminate subsidies") and other spending neoliberals deem wasteful toward broad-based provision of key pro-growth, pro-poor services like primary education, primary health care and infrastructure investment
   * Tax reform– broadening the tax base and adopting moderate marginal tax rates to encourage innovation and efficiency;
   * Interest rates that are market determined and positive (but moderate) in real terms;
   * Floating exchange rates;
   * Trade liberalisation – liberalization of imports, with particular emphasis on elimination of quantitative restrictions (licensing, etc.); any trade protection to be provided by law and relatively uniform tariffs; thus encouraging competition and long term growth
   * Liberalisation of the "capital account" of the balance of payments, that is, allowing people the opportunity to invest funds overseas and allowing foreign funds to be invested in the home country
   * Privatisation of state enterprises; Promoting market provision of goods and services which the government can not provide as effectively or efficiently, such as telecommunications, where having many service providers promotes choice and competition.
   * Deregulation – abolition of regulations that impede market entry or restrict competition, except for those justified on safety, environmental and consumer protection grounds, and prudent oversight of financial institutions;
   * Legal security for property rights; and,
   * Financialisation of capital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

The holy grail of surpluses and a AAA credit rating has lead us to the state partically NSW finds itself in.
State assets were sold NOT for the reasons stated but basicaly to post surpluses and fund tax cuts and social policies partically the feds(baby Bonus) that actually goes agianst the theory(point 2).
Debt is not nessarily a bad thing as we all know some debt is unavoidable but the debt creates or inhances an asset.
Keating is a neo liberalist but one that embraced the whole theory and therefore we have the economy we do.
Imagine how much better off we'd be if he was allowed to continue or if Costello(personally I think he would have followed Keatings lead) had not been under Howards infuence.
Here's a theory for you & a back handed compliment to Howard,
Howard was so embrassed by the budget blackhole he left Keating(Howard actually wanted it known but Fraser canned him)

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The incoming Hawke Labor government only learned about the extent of the deficit when briefed by Treasury officials after the election. According to Bob Hawke, the historically large $9.6 billion budget deficit left by the Coalition ‘became a stick with which we were justifiably able to beat the Liberal National Party Opposition for many years’.[7] Although, as the former treasurer, Howard was ‘discredited’[8] by the budget blowout, he had argued unsuccessfully against Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser, that the revised figures should be disclosed before the election.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keating

Keating did this in the Parliament, Howard was much more vocal and in the publics face about it(remember the debt truck) and was so sucessful at totally turning Keating's critism back onto the Labor party that poltics is still under his influence today.
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Re: The left is gwrne
Reply #49 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 9:34pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 9:31pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 6:19pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Sprint, stop calling neo-conservative governments left.
They are right so all your doing is putting your own supposed beliefs down.
That's "Classic right wing"



Do you know what neo-conservative governments are?


You are correct got my neo's confused Shocked
Neo Liberalism would be the correct discription
Unfortunately for us virtually all state and to a certain extent the federal government(on both sides) have become fixated on only the 1st part of the theory.

Quote:
Neoliberalism seeks to transfer control of the economy from public to the private sector,[3] under the belief that it will produce a more efficient government and improve the economic health of the nation.[4] The definitive statement of the concrete policies advocated by neoliberalism is often taken to be John Williamson's[5] "Washington Consensus", a list of policy proposals that appeared to have gained consensus approval among the Washington-based international economic organizations (like the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank). Williamson's list included ten points:

   * Fiscal policy Governments should not run large deficits that have to be paid back by future citizens, and such deficits can only have a short term effect on the level of employment in the economy. Constant deficits will lead to higher inflation and lower productivity, and should be avoided. Deficits should only be used for occasional stabilization purposes.
   * Redirection of public spending from subsidies (especially what neoliberals call "indiscriminate subsidies") and other spending neoliberals deem wasteful toward broad-based provision of key pro-growth, pro-poor services like primary education, primary health care and infrastructure investment
   * Tax reform– broadening the tax base and adopting moderate marginal tax rates to encourage innovation and efficiency;
   * Interest rates that are market determined and positive (but moderate) in real terms;
   * Floating exchange rates;
   * Trade liberalisation – liberalization of imports, with particular emphasis on elimination of quantitative restrictions (licensing, etc.); any trade protection to be provided by law and relatively uniform tariffs; thus encouraging competition and long term growth
   * Liberalisation of the "capital account" of the balance of payments, that is, allowing people the opportunity to invest funds overseas and allowing foreign funds to be invested in the home country
   * Privatisation of state enterprises; Promoting market provision of goods and services which the government can not provide as effectively or efficiently, such as telecommunications, where having many service providers promotes choice and competition.
   * Deregulation – abolition of regulations that impede market entry or restrict competition, except for those justified on safety, environmental and consumer protection grounds, and prudent oversight of financial institutions;
   * Legal security for property rights; and,
   * Financialisation of capital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

The holy grail of surpluses and a AAA credit rating has lead us to the state partically NSW finds itself in.
State assets were sold NOT for the reasons stated but basicaly to post surpluses and fund tax cuts and social policies partically the feds(baby Bonus) that actually goes agianst the theory(point 2).
Debt is not nessarily a bad thing as we all know some debt is unavoidable but the debt creates or inhances an asset.
Keating is a neo liberalist but one that embraced the whole theory and therefore we have the economy we do.
Imagine how much better off we'd be if he was allowed to continue or if Costello(personally I think he would have followed Keatings lead) had not been under Howards infuence.
Here's a theory for you & a back handed compliment to Howard,
Howard was so embrassed by the budget blackhole he left Keating(Howard actually wanted it known but Fraser canned him)

Quote:
The incoming Hawke Labor government only learned about the extent of the deficit when briefed by Treasury officials after the election. According to Bob Hawke, the historically large $9.6 billion budget deficit left by the Coalition ‘became a stick with which we were justifiably able to beat the Liberal National Party Opposition for many years’.[7] Although, as the former treasurer, Howard was ‘discredited’[8] by the budget blowout, he had argued unsuccessfully against Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser, that the revised figures should be disclosed before the election.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keating

Keating did this in the Parliament, Howard was much more vocal and in the publics face about it(remember the debt truck) and was so sucessful at totally turning Keating's critism back onto the Labor party that poltics is still under his influence today.




It's ok, cause otherwise I guess the Liberal party whilst in opposition had the defence on high alert and patrolling all our major streets & highways.
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