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Reply #75 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:58am

I refuse to see how people passing through safe, third countries are fleeing persecution.

Why are they picking Australia in the Asia Pacific region and not other countries?

Answer - living standards, social welfare system and Government policy.

Do you believe Laos, Indonesia, Thailand would give these people the social welfare we provide them?

No. Therefore, if they are passing through safe countries and then going on to Australia - how is that not cherry picking where you want to go??

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Reply #77 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:01am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

Who gives a fcck about your parents dickwad, you and your life interest no one but you. you've always got to turn every subject into a wankfest over yourself.

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Reply #78 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:02am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I am so sorry to hear that your parents fled England in fear for their lives.

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Reply #79 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:04am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:02am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I am so sorry to hear that your parents fled England in fear for their lives.

They didn't.
Neither did these people flee from Indonesia in fear for their lives.

See the point?
The situation is exactly the same.

Both are country shopping. Difference is one did it properly, the other just turned up demanding to be let in.

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Reply #80 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am

Ultimately it is those involved in evil trade of people smuggling who are responsible for all the deaths , but haven't successive Australian governments invested millions with the Indonesian Government to stop this smuggling ? One has to wonder what or if the Indonesian Government is doing anything and where the Australian dollars are being spent.

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Reply #81 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I guess they had an Australian embassy to apply to, that accepts applications ?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka DO NOT

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Reply #82 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:06am

skippy. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:01am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

Who gives a fcck about your parents dickwad, you and your life interest no one but you. you've always got to turn every subject into a wankfest over yourself.

I think you're possibly too stupid to see the example.

Country shopping is what this is.

They did not flee from INDONESIA in fear of their lives.
They passed through a third country and picked Australia because we are stupid enough to give them benefits and social housing at tax payer expense.

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Reply #83 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:07am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I guess they had an Australian embassy to apply to, that accepts applications ?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka DO NOT

And who were they running from in Indonesia?
Where is the persecution there?

Why come to Australia.

Answer - social welfare and a want to live somewhere better.

We are stupid enough to accept them.

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Reply #84 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:07am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I guess they had an Australian embassy to apply to, that accepts applications ?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka DO NOT

Are they able to apply to an Australian embassy in Indoneasia?

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Reply #85 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:10am

Verge wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:07am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I guess they had an Australian embassy to apply to, that accepts applications ?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka DO NOT

Are they able to apply to an Australian embassy in Indoneasia?

EXACTLY!!!!
Could have sworn there was a functioning embassy in Jakarta.

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Reply #86 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:12am

nichy wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am:

Ultimately it is those involved in evil trade of people smuggling who are responsible for all the deaths , but haven't successive Australian governments invested millions with the Indonesian Government to stop this smuggling ? One has to wonder what or if the Indonesian Government is doing anything and where the Australian dollars are being spent.

Abbott has the right idea with mandatory sentencing of the criminal boat crews.
The lure of easy money disappears fast in the knowledge they would be sent to prison for 5 - 10 years when captured.
It's enough to turn an honest fisherman into a............fisherman.
No boats crew, no boats.

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Reply #87 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:14am

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Ultimately it is those involved in evil trade of people smuggling who are responsible for all the deaths

That line is a cop out used by both the Libs and Labor party to detract the blame from themselves. If we didn't invade Iraq many of those on board yesterday would not have been there.
This country carries on like its the only country to have people seeking refugee status, stats say that at least a third of people seeking refuge from Africa and the middle east die trying to make it across the strait of Gibraltar, desperate people do desperate things.

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #88 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:15am

Verge wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:07am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:59am:

They are essentially doing no different to what my parents did in the early 1970s.

Difference is my parents went through the correct channels and declared themselves migrants to Australia from South Africa, not just turn up on a boat.

I guess they had an Australian embassy to apply to, that accepts applications ?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka DO NOT

Are they able to apply to an Australian embassy in Indoneasia?

NO

They are not Indonesian citizens
And I've not heard of Australian embassy staff delivreing application forms to Indonesion displaced persons facilities

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Dead boat people Reply #89 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:16am skippy. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 10:14am: [quote] If we didn't invade Iraq many of those on board yesterday would not have been there. POSSIBLY THE DUMBEST LINE ON HERE YET. Under the regime of Saddam Hussein? Ask the Shias, the Kurds and his own people gassed? What a fking clown.
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