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Reply #60 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:58am
 
"Human life means nothing to these weak spirited rsoles"

More crocodile tears.
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Reply #61 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:59am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:52am:
No they'd rather have them processed on a different foreign country....

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Shirk the responsability ?
"Pass the buck" ?

The problem with Nauru, was that NONE were "processed"
Not until the defeat of the Howard Government





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Reply #62 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:03am
 
ww.refugeecouncil.org.au/docs/current/2010_party_election_policies.pdf

2.) REGIONAL APPROACH TO PROCESSING ASYLUM SEEKERS
On 6 July 2010, Prime Minister Julia Gillard announced that the Labor Government is pursuing a
regional approach to the processing of asylum seekers with the involvement of the United Nations
High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), as part of a sustainable regional protection framework.
This framework would build on work already underway through the Bali Process. Ms Gillard said
Labor would work towards an approach which “effectively eliminates the onshore processing of
unauthorised arrivals and ensures that anyone seeking asylum is subject to a consistent process of
assessment in the same place”.
If re-elected, Labor would introduce a regional processing centre to reduce the incentive for people
smugglers to send boats to Australia. The assessment processes would be consistent to ensure
that arriving by boat does not give an advantage in the likelihood that they would end up settling in
Australia or other countries of the region. Labor would require that the regional processing centre
be properly run, auspiced and structured, with the processing to take place in a country which has
ratified the Refugee Convention.
In announcing plans for a regional processing centre and for the development of a regional
protection framework, Prime Minister Julia Gillard said the Government’s policy goal is to “wreck
the people smuggling trade” by removing the incentive for boats carrying asylum seekers to leave
their port of origin in the first place: to remove both the profitability of the trade and the danger of
the voyage. The Government’s policy seeks to stop the boats before they leave ports on the
journey toward Australia
. Ms Gillard does not support the idea of turning asylum boats back to the
country from which they have come, saying that such an approach would put asylum seekers and
Australia’s defence and customs personnel at risk. She says that Labor does not accept the idea of
punishing women and children by locking them up behind razor wire or ignoring people who are
fleeing genocide, torture, and persecution. This, she says, is not inconsistent with “our commitment
to secure borders and fair, orderly migration”.



It doesn't appear to be working Julia

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Reply #63 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:04am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:52am:
No they'd rather have them processed on a different foreign country....


I do not like any of the off shore (pretend) solutions but at least going for a country which recognises the appropriate human standards is a small step forward.
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Reply #64 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:09am
 
This Lefty would like people processed here in Australia, like a grown up country, rather than foisting the refugees onto our neighbours.

I think our attitude is "precious" and I wonder why our neighbours co-operate.
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Reply #65 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:12am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:09am:
I think our attitude is "precious" and I wonder why our neighbours co-operate.


Because Australia is in Asia?
A region not exactly teeming with countries that count human rights high on their priority?

Indonesia, China, Burma, Laos, Thailand, PNG, Malaysia

I could go on and on.

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Reply #66 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:21am
 
You rightards disgust me, you put on crocodile tears while only two days ago at least three of you said "let the bastards drown at sea" "tow the boats back out to sea" you said that sprint ,and you call yourself a Christian,this country doesn't want your sort here.
What sort of country invades another and then when people flee here we treat them like this, if Australia had never illegally invaded Iraq many of those on board who died would still be alive.
This happened because that lying little rodent invaded Iraq, and the piss weak Labor party stayed there, both major parties are culpable, and you rightards trying to turn this into a political point score are nothing but assholes .
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Reply #67 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:28am
 
When did Australia invade Iran?

There are Iranians on that boat - what the bugger are they fleeing from? It certainly ain't a war.

And what about Sri Lankans? Australia invaded that island as well did they?

What about the Pakistanis who turn up (pretending to be Afghani)?
Australia's invaded Pakistan too?


LOL talk about take a wide brush....
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Reply #68 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:40am
 
"The opposition and the government put aside the bitter politics of an election fought over boat arrivals, saying it was not the time to debate policy."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/christmas-island-disaster-28-dead-amid-fears--toll-could-top--50-20101215-18ya5.html

Maybe a few here could follow the same general principle.
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Reply #69 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:40am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:03am:
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It is the current Australian Government's poor policy which has led to this.




I know we're in different time zones, but this claim has been looked into in another thread

Thgere were FAR more drownings under the PREVIOUS government

It was tacitly agreed to score political points on this tragedy, no further




I'm assuming you are referring to the Howard government as the previous government and not Rudd there Buzz.
Given Howard was in government for 12 years, these stats are not unreasonable.
And not even the high level of gross incompetence from Rudd and then Gillard can change these stats in such a short time.
You probably need to ask yourself what the stats might look like after 12 years of Labors incompetence though.
Then we will see what's what.
What needs to be remembered is when Howards Pacific Solution was in full swing, we had 1 boat arrival in 2 years, 5 detainees on Nauru and closed down detention centres on the mainland.
And yet this country still took in 13,000 refugees who did not engage criminal gangs to smuggle them in.
It is from this high water mark we have come to sink down so low under Labor.
And now Labor has blood on it's hands.
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Reply #70 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:47am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:28am:
When did Australia invade Iran?

There are Iranians on that boat - what the bugger are they fleeing from? It certainly ain't a war.

And what about Sri Lankans? Australia invaded that island as well did they?

What about the Pakistanis who turn up (pretending to be Afghani)?
Australia's invaded Pakistan too?


LOL talk about take a wide brush....

nice try but no cigar jungle jim,the people on this boat were from Iraq, a country Australia invaded with out UN sanctions. the others were from Iran, a country  the western govs of this world tell us is a despot regime, who wouldn't want to flee from there.
Dont fake it that you care,you disgust me. People who flee any of the countries you mention are fleeing war and/or persecution.
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Reply #71 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:47am
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:21am:
You rightards disgust me, you put on crocodile tears while only two days ago at least three of you said "let the bastards drown at sea" "tow the boats back out to sea" you said that sprint ,and you call yourself a Christian,this country doesn't want your sort here.
What sort of country invades another and then when people flee here we treat them like this, if Australia had never illegally invaded Iraq many of those on board who died would still be alive.
This happened because that lying little rodent invaded Iraq, and the piss weak Labor party stayed there, both major parties are culpable, and you rightards trying to turn this into a political point score are nothing but assholes .


No, it happened because the Muslim psyco's in Iraq are blowing each other up and has little to do with our company of SAS troops or the training battalion.
Iran, Sri Lanka and all the other countries where these people come from have not seen our troops on their soil.
The Iraqi's are not here because of our soldiers actions, they are here because we have a weak government who's laws sponsor foreign criminal people smugglers.
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Reply #72 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:49am
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:47am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:28am:
When did Australia invade Iran?

There are Iranians on that boat - what the bugger are they fleeing from? It certainly ain't a war.

And what about Sri Lankans? Australia invaded that island as well did they?

What about the Pakistanis who turn up (pretending to be Afghani)?
Australia's invaded Pakistan too?


LOL talk about take a wide brush....

nice try but no cigar jungle jim,the people on this boat were from Iraq, a country Australia invaded with out UN sanctions. the others were from Iran, a country  the western govs of this world tell us is a despot regime, who wouldn't want to flee from there.
Dont fake it that you care,you disgust me. People who flee any of the countries you mention are fleeing war and/or persecution.


And if these Iraqi's spent the last five years living and working in Indonesia, were they still fleeing persecution?
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Reply #73 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:53am
 
Anyone who thinks this wasnt going to be a political baseball is kidding themselves.

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Reply #74 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 9:55am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:46am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 8:15am:
Welcome to the Annual Australian Grave Dancing Event
I don't know whose to blame
I don't know what has happened to my country over the past 20 years
All I know is we are not the same people we were.
I AM ASHAMED Cry Cry



You ought to be ashamed of the weak Government policy that encouraged people smuggling. These tragic deaths, and untold others lay at the feet of the ALP.  Don`t try do suffocate these objections by low life accusations ov insincerity, of these criticisms. These deaths must be stopped, you won`t silence the call to stop these deaths, no matter how politically inconvenient it is to you!


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Go F@#K yourself
I refuse to use this to debate policy or ideology.
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