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Reply #255 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:38pm
 
mellie wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 11:49am:
History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

Smiley


Wasn't it after all Labor under Hawke (one of Gillards political heroes and fellow soft-socialist)  who introduced Mandatory indefinite detention of our refugees (man, woman and child) until given a visa or deported back in 1992?

If you think Labor are refugee soft, think again, it was afterall them who introduced the mandatory detention of refugees to begin with.



Perhaps you should read this before condemning Liberals any further?

http://www.australiancollaboration.com.au/_factsheets/1.%20Immigration_FactSheet...

 Cool....The masses have been so drip-fed, anyone would think Howard introduced the mandatory detention of refugees himself, when in fact, it was one of Labors own.






Fact is, Labor introduced the mandatory and indefinite detention of refugees ...man woman and child back in 1992.

See, cant blame Howard/libs for everything.

You would be surprised at how many pro-refugee Labor supporters didn't know who introduced this policy to begin with, many just assumed it was Howard.

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Reply #256 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
mellie wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 11:49am:
History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

Smiley


Wasn't it after all Labor under Hawke (one of Gillards political heroes and fellow soft-socialist)  who introduced Mandatory indefinite detention of our refugees (man, woman and child) until given a visa or deported back in 1992?

If you think Labor are refugee soft, think again, it was afterall them who introduced the mandatory detention of refugees to begin with.



Perhaps you should read this before condemning Liberals any further?
http://www.australiancollaboration.com.au/_factsheets/1.%20Immigration_FactSheet...

 Cool....The masses have been so drip-fed, anyone would think Howard introduced the mandatory detention of refugees himself, when in fact, it was one of Labors own.



Lol.....I have no problem with mandatory detention and in fact consider it necessary to determine asylum seekers identity and refugee status.....it is the real purpose and application of the Pathetic solution I oppose.....your ignorance and failure to grasp the real implications of the Coalitions policies is not surprising.....you have no idea do you???

From the link you provided....lol!!!

Asylum seekers living in the community
In 1997, the Howard Coalition Government introduced
new laws preventing asylum seekers from obtaining
income support or permission to work (thus leaving them
without Medicare coverage) if they do not lodge an application
for asylum within 45 days of arrival. While
intended to deter non-genuine applicants, this policy
left many genuine asylum applicants totally dependent
on charities for food, clothing, housing and medical
help. Many already suffer from previous health complaints
and cannot properly recover without adequate
health care.

Temporary Protection Visas
In 1999, the Coalition Government issued new laws denying
people landing in Australia without a visa the right to
apply for permanent refugee status for three years. Other
policies also sought to restrict Permanent Protection Visas
to asylum seekers who applied overseas or who entered
Australia with a visa. For example, even once found to be
genuine refugees, those who had originally arrived without
a visa were only eligible for a three-year Temporary Protection
Visa. These visas contained numerous restrictions,
and effectively left people who had been found to be genuine
refugees with no certainty about their future. This policy
was discontinued in 2008 as part of the newly-installed
Labor Government’s changes to the immigration system.

Thank you for the link to the fact the Coalition policies on asylum seekers are disgusting and inhumane......the Coalition will never get this policy up again.....even elements of there own party cannot stomach this draconian treatment of genuine refugees.....Abbott has no policy on asylum seekers.....he only has a failed policy of persecution that will not get support from his own party!!!

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Reply #257 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:55pm
 
You ignorant buzzard, you have no idea at all do you Philfromperth.

Roll Eyes... Like the old saying goes, whoever smelt it dealt it,  ..hence Labor are so quick to condemn Libs over what always was their policy to begin with.

Such hypocrisy, such lunacy.... and to think, few labor supporters (particularly the younger generation) knew this to be fact.

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Reply #258 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:07pm
 






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Reply #259 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:19pm
 
mellie wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:55pm:
You ignorant buzzard, you have no idea at all do you Philfromperth.


Roll Eyes... Like the old saying goes, whoever smelt it dealt it,  ..hence Labor are so quick to condemn Libs over what always was their policy to begin with.

Such hypocrisy, such lunacy.... and to think, few labor supporters (particularly the younger generation) knew this this be fact.



The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence.
Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964

I think you will find I did not condemn mandatory detention it was the Pathetic solution I was opposed to....typical of you to twist the truth to suit your rehetoric.....Labor does not support laws preventing genuine refugees from obtaining income support or permission to work.....Labor does not support a policy of restricting  food, clothing, housing and medical help to genuine refugees.....and Labor does not support Temporary Protection Visas!!!

Such hypocrisy, such lunacy.....and to think you cannot see the difference between Labor's policy and that of the Opposition!!!

Smiley

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191

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Reply #260 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:19pm
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:07pm:
Mellie wrote

you have the political forum all to yourself, I have no intentions of posting in there any more, .
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Says Skip the drip-fed twit who was most unimpressed with my having substantiated my argument yesterday with a link  which verifies the left are not at all impressed with Gillard either about this nasty boat business, this and hold Labor responsible.

And to think, Labors own Bob Hawke, and one of Gillards political heroes was who introduced the mean awful *choke* mandatory detention of men woman and children back in 1992.

Tut tut....

Roll Eyes

bbl...I'm off to lunch.



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Reply #261 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:26pm
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:07pm:
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Reply #262 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:49pm
 
Labor knew disaster lurked on the horizon

THE Rudd-Gillard Labor government was warned 18 months ago that its relaxed border protection policies invited a deadly tragedy such as occurred on Christmas Island on Wednesday.

Senior sources within the Department of Immigration and Citizenship yesterday confirmed that

the government had been briefed that the threat of just such a "catastrophic" disaster was "anticipated" after the Rudd government changed the Immigration Act in August 2008 to accommodate a softer approach devised by Julia Gillard.

There was nothing secret about the threat -- in a column published on January 1 this year after visiting Christmas Island I wrote: "On the oceans, however, there is literally a flotilla of more small boats making their way here, their passengers encouraged by the Rudd Government's softening of Australia's border protection regime."
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/labor-knew-disaster-lurked-on-the-...
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Reply #263 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:57pm
 
in a column published on January 1 this year after visiting Christmas Island I wrote

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Reply #264 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:57pm
 
mantra wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 11:57am:
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"Then the boat crashed into the cliff. There was chaos in the water, there was small children, women. The men seemed to hug the life jackets and it was not a nice sight to see men pushing women away from life jackets, looking after themselves."


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Not nice to read phill   Human nature i surpose


I don't know if it is human nature. There are few fathers I've met who wouldn't put their children's lives before their own and we know that many men have died trying to save their child.

It is the culture in the ME where females and children are basically chattels and their status is often not much higher than the family goat. This is where I feel distaste for some of the asylum seekers. The men come out here alone and leave their families to fend for themselves in terrible conditions. Probably many of them are killed as a result of the husbands fleeing to a better life and it is often years, if ever before they are brought here.




This article is far from confirmed.  The entire accusation is based on
"seemed to be"
, it might have happened, and some are predisposed to readily believing / capitalising on the worst, but I would need to see more conclusive evidence.
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Reply #265 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:00pm
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:07pm:
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Reply #266 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:04pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:00pm:
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Reply #267 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:09pm
 
Among the dead are believed to be only woman and children...  and yes, men were seen pushing the woman away from life jackets after praying on the boats deck.

Who knows, perhaps Allah told them to push the woman off the life jackets this and discard the children.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/at-least-27-dead-in-christmas-island-r...

Not exactly your civilised Titanic scenario now is it...whereby woman and children went first.

Law of the jungle amongst these animals...survival of the fittest.

Roll Eyes...  If this is how they treat their own woman and children, imagine how they will treat us when they are granted residency.

Something to look forward to eh!

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Reply #268 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:11pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:57pm:
mantra wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 11:57am:
Quote:
"Then the boat crashed into the cliff. There was chaos in the water, there was small children, women. The men seemed to hug the life jackets and it was not a nice sight to see men pushing women away from life jackets, looking after themselves."


Quote:
Not nice to read phill   Human nature i surpose


I don't know if it is human nature. There are few fathers I've met who wouldn't put their children's lives before their own and we know that many men have died trying to save their child.

It is the culture in the ME where females and children are basically chattels and their status is often not much higher than the family goat. This is where I feel distaste for some of the asylum seekers. The men come out here alone and leave their families to fend for themselves in terrible conditions. Probably many of them are killed as a result of the husbands fleeing to a better life and it is often years, if ever before they are brought here.




This article is far from confirmed.  The entire accusation is based on
"seemed to be"
, it might have happened, and some are predisposed to readily believing / capitalising on the worst, but I would need to see more conclusive evidence.


Good point Aussie.....although lets not forget the actions of a few do not condemn the actions of the whole group even if the story turns out to have some merit!!!

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Reply #269 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:13pm
 
mellie wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:09pm:
Among the dead are believed to be only woman and children...  and yes, men were seen pushing the woman away from life jackets after praying on the boats deck.

Who knows, perhaps Allah told them to push the woman off the life jackets this and discard the children.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/at-least-27-dead-in-christmas-island-r...

Not exactly your civilised Titanic scenario now is it...whereby woman and children went first.

Law of the jungle amongst these animals...survival of the fittest.

Roll Eyes...  If this is how they treat their own woman and children, imagine how they will treat us when they are granted residency.

Something to look forward to eh!

Wink


Just animals.
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