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Reply #240 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:55am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:40am:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:04am:

Protests by male detainees blaming the Australian Navy for not looking after them appropriately.

In other words, these cowardly men who placed women and children in danger by illegally processing themselves through people smuggling before they physically forced the life-jackets away from the women and children are now blaming 'Us' for not allowing them to escape a country that we are trying to help bring under suitable existence while there, which must be better than what it previously was. I think these men are 'nasty and evil scum' who are exploiting the 'poverty threshold' and using emotional blackmail (a form of abuse). I don't want these men in this country, we already have enough scum. These men are not 'real' refugees. Its just another part of the People Smuggling 'Scam'.

...A little child lays face down in the 4 metre swell. Sad

Have you proof of this? Or is this just another venom spit?

Good one Aussie......good to see you do not believe the worst without proof.....sounds like another children over board to me???

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Reply #241 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:13am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:55am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:40am:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:04am:

Protests by male detainees blaming the Australian Navy for not looking after them appropriately.

In other words, these cowardly men who placed women and children in danger by illegally processing themselves through people smuggling before they physically forced the life-jackets away from the women and children are now blaming 'Us' for not allowing them to escape a country that we are trying to help bring under suitable existence while there, which must be better than what it previously was. I think these men are 'nasty and evil scum' who are exploiting the 'poverty threshold' and using emotional blackmail (a form of abuse). I don't want these men in this country, we already have enough scum. These men are not 'real' refugees. Its just another part of the People Smuggling 'Scam'.

...A little child lays face down in the 4 metre swell. Sad

Have you proof of this? Or is this just another venom spit?

Good one Aussie......good to see you do not believe the worst without proof.....sounds like another children over board to me???

Angry

Source: The Daily Telegraph
WITH too few life jackets and too many people, a fishing boat drifts out of control towards the jagged rocks of Christmas Island.
The 70 or so asylum seekers on board know they're in deep trouble.

A father cradles his child, just a baby, close to his chest.

Women and children scream -- their cries wake the Christmas Island locals.

The islanders can only watch as a wild wave sends the boat crashing into the jagged cliff face.

The boat breaks into pieces, families are separated, panic sets in -- and the wild sea will not relent. The 5m waves pounding this cove keep coming, keep pushing the asylum seekers towards the rocks.

Last night, the death toll among the Iranian and Iraqi nationals had climbed to 27, but there were fears the toll would be higher, with one refugee group claiming last night as many as 40 people had drowned.

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Related CoverageVoyage of the damned The Daily Telegraph, 1 day ago
Boat death toll set to rise, says PM The Australian, 2 days ago
Locals frustrated by navy delay Herald Sun, 2 days ago
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The sun was rising when the wooden boat struck trouble near Flying Fish Cove, on the north side of the island.

Christmas Island local John, who didn't want to reveal his surname, lives nearby, and was one of the first on the scene.

"I came out the front of my place, and I heard yelling and screaming, and I thought, 'poo what's that?', and I witnessed some people in real strife," he said.

John rang the police straight away.

"The next thing you know there were probably 20 of us down at the water. I was yelling out, 'Start your motor', but the motor was stopped -- these people were in big trouble," John said.

As a navy vessel steamed from the other side of the island, John ran to the nearby dive shop to get life jackets.

He said a group of locals formed a human chain, probably 33m long, to get life jackets to the cliff's edge as quickly as possible.

"By then the boat was in a perilous condition," he said.

"I saw the looks on their faces -- a lot of them were praying, it was frightening.

"Then the boat crashed into the cliff. There was chaos in the water, there was small children, women. The men seemed to hug the life jackets and it was not a nice sight to see men pushing women away from life jackets, looking after themselves."

It's believed naval personnel rescued several dozen refugees, but many of them wouldn't have survived were it not for the help of locals who risked their lives by venturing down on to the treacherous rocks and throwing out life jackets.

Simon Prince, from Christmas Island Divers, said the cries of the refugees woke him at around 5:30am.

"The sea was so powerful, there was no way those people were going to get to land," he said.

"They floated around for about an hour. It was only the backwash that prevented them from crashing, but eventually they did connect with the cliff."

Mr Prince contributed 16 life jackets to the volunteer rescue effort.

"Unfortunately we had no way of getting them to them," he said.

"We were putting our own lives in danger by being there. A lot of volunteers got cut up [by rocks].

"We were trying to hurl the jackets into the water after the boat collided with the cliff, but it was very hard because the sea was against us, the wind was against us."

Mr Prince said there was debris and bodies everywhere he looked: "One image I can't get out of my head was a child in a life jacket face down in the water.

"The initial impact, the resounding crack that came from the hull, went straight through to the bone. The sight of debris being hurled 30m in the air on top of us -- it's just, things like that, really rock you to the core."

Mr Prince said the refugees shouldn't have been there: "The people smugglers are pure evil sending people out in near cyclonic conditions like this.

"I hope they get serious about cracking down on the people smugglers."

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Reply #242 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:28am

Source: The Daily Telegraph
WITH too few life jackets and too many people, a fishing boat drifts out of control towards the jagged rocks of Christmas Island.
The 70 or so asylum seekers on board know they're in deep trouble.

A father cradles his child, just a baby, close to his chest.

Women and children scream -- their cries wake the Christmas Island locals.

The islanders can only watch as a wild wave sends the boat crashing into the jagged cliff face.

The boat breaks into pieces, families are separated, panic sets in -- and the wild sea will not relent. The 5m waves pounding this cove keep coming, keep pushing the asylum seekers towards the rocks.

Last night, the death toll among the Iranian and Iraqi nationals had climbed to 27, but there were fears the toll would be higher, with one refugee group claiming last night as many as 40 people had drowned.

The sun was rising when the wooden boat struck trouble near Flying Fish Cove, on the north side of the island.

Christmas Island local John, who didn't want to reveal his surname, lives nearby, and was one of the first on the scene.

"I came out the front of my place, and I heard yelling and screaming, and I thought, 'poo what's that?', and I witnessed some people in real strife," he said.

John rang the police straight away.

"The next thing you know there were probably 20 of us down at the water. I was yelling out, 'Start your motor', but the motor was stopped -- these people were in big trouble," John said.

As a navy vessel steamed from the other side of the island, John ran to the nearby dive shop to get life jackets.

He said a group of locals formed a human chain, probably 33m long, to get life jackets to the cliff's edge as quickly as possible.

"By then the boat was in a perilous condition," he said.

"I saw the looks on their faces -- a lot of them were praying, it was frightening.

"Then the boat crashed into the cliff. There was chaos in the water, there was small children, women. The men seemed to hug the life jackets and it was not a nice sight to see men pushing women away from life jackets, looking after themselves."

It's believed naval personnel rescued several dozen refugees, but many of them wouldn't have survived were it not for the help of locals who risked their lives by venturing down on to the treacherous rocks and throwing out life jackets.

Simon Prince, from Christmas Island Divers, said the cries of the refugees woke him at around 5:30am.

"The sea was so powerful, there was no way those people were going to get to land," he said.

"They floated around for about an hour. It was only the backwash that prevented them from crashing, but eventually they did connect with the cliff."

Mr Prince contributed 16 life jackets to the volunteer rescue effort.

"Unfortunately we had no way of getting them to them," he said.

"We were putting our own lives in danger by being there. A lot of volunteers got cut up [by rocks].

"We were trying to hurl the jackets into the water after the boat collided with the cliff, but it was very hard because the sea was against us, the wind was against us."

Mr Prince said there was debris and bodies everywhere he looked: "One image I can't get out of my head was a child in a life jacket face down in the water.

"The initial impact, the resounding crack that came from the hull, went straight through to the bone. The sight of debris being hurled 30m in the air on top of us -- it's just, things like that, really rock you to the core."

Mr Prince said the refugees shouldn't have been there: "The people smugglers are pure evil sending people out in near cyclonic conditions like this.

"I hope they get serious about cracking down on the people smugglers."

Christmas Island.

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Reply #243 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:32am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:28am:

Source: The Daily Telegraph
WITH too few life jackets and too many people, a fishing boat drifts out of control towards the jagged rocks of Christmas Island.
The 70 or so asylum seekers on board know they're in deep trouble.

A father cradles his child, just a baby, close to his chest.

Women and children scream -- their cries wake the Christmas Island locals.

The islanders can only watch as a wild wave sends the boat crashing into the jagged cliff face.

The boat breaks into pieces, families are separated, panic sets in -- and the wild sea will not relent. The 5m waves pounding this cove keep coming, keep pushing the asylum seekers towards the rocks.

Last night, the death toll among the Iranian and Iraqi nationals had climbed to 27, but there were fears the toll would be higher, with one refugee group claiming last night as many as 40 people had drowned.

The sun was rising when the wooden boat struck trouble near Flying Fish Cove, on the north side of the island.

Christmas Island local John, who didn't want to reveal his surname, lives nearby, and was one of the first on the scene.

"I came out the front of my place, and I heard yelling and screaming, and I thought, 'poo what's that?', and I witnessed some people in real strife," he said.

John rang the police straight away.

"The next thing you know there were probably 20 of us down at the water. I was yelling out, 'Start your motor', but the motor was stopped -- these people were in big trouble," John said.

As a navy vessel steamed from the other side of the island, John ran to the nearby dive shop to get life jackets.

He said a group of locals formed a human chain, probably 33m long, to get life jackets to the cliff's edge as quickly as possible.

"By then the boat was in a perilous condition," he said.

"I saw the looks on their faces -- a lot of them were praying, it was frightening.

"Then the boat crashed into the cliff. There was chaos in the water, there was small children, women. The men seemed to hug the life jackets and it was not a nice sight to see men pushing women away from life jackets, looking after themselves."

It's believed naval personnel rescued several dozen refugees, but many of them wouldn't have survived were it not for the help of locals who risked their lives by venturing down on to the treacherous rocks and throwing out life jackets.

Simon Prince, from Christmas Island Divers, said the cries of the refugees woke him at around 5:30am.

"The sea was so powerful, there was no way those people were going to get to land," he said.

"They floated around for about an hour. It was only the backwash that prevented them from crashing, but eventually they did connect with the cliff."

Mr Prince contributed 16 life jackets to the volunteer rescue effort.

"Unfortunately we had no way of getting them to them," he said.

"We were putting our own lives in danger by being there. A lot of volunteers got cut up [by rocks].

"We were trying to hurl the jackets into the water after the boat collided with the cliff, but it was very hard because the sea was against us, the wind was against us."

Mr Prince said there was debris and bodies everywhere he looked: "One image I can't get out of my head was a child in a life jacket face down in the water.

"The initial impact, the resounding crack that came from the hull, went straight through to the bone. The sight of debris being hurled 30m in the air on top of us -- it's just, things like that, really rock you to the core."

Mr Prince said the refugees shouldn't have been there: "The people smugglers are pure evil sending people out in near cyclonic conditions like this.

"I hope they get serious about cracking down on the people smugglers."

Christmas Island.

Thanks Fred!!!

Not nice to read phill Human nature i surpose

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Reply #244 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

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Reply #245 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:54am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

lol......some people have no shame!!!

Like turning this into a political football lol

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Reply #246 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:55am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am:

nichy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:34am:

Phil, it sounds as though you are implying that the Coalition is encouraging people to board unsafe boats, having paid many thousand of dollars to do so, with no certainty of a safe arrival.
And as for this quote from Howard - "Can I just say that I've always sought to maximize the primary vote of the Liberal Party, that's the first obligation of any political leader", the same could be said for Gillard except that she has also sold out to the Greens in order to maximise HER position.

Not at all Nichy......I have no doubt Abbott will stop the boats at any cost to the asylum seekers.....regardless of there refugee status......The Labor party are no better than the Coalition as far as policy is concerned.....Labor have failed on both border security and there international commitment.....Labor said they would stop the boats.....they cannot stop the boats.....if treating refugees like criminals and persecuting them further is the solution of the major parties.....they do not have a solution they have is a return to the failed policies of the past.....where a person could be deported for something as trivial as stealing a loaf of bread or have the misfortune of being born poor and desperate.

The Greens are the only party with a sensible non inflammatory approach to this issue.....everyone deserves the right to be free and pursue a better life.....refugees have only accepted the fact Australia is a signatory to the International Convention for Refugees.....it is time Australia and it's major parties also accepted this fact and stopped treating refugees like convicts!!!

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Phil, I am not in favour of anyone, refugee or otherwise , thumbing their noses at our laws. By employing illegal means to get here is doing just that. I was under the impression the Australian government had invested a great deal of money to have these people processed in Indonesia, perhaps the boat people know that they will be found not to be genuine refugees. Why do they destroy their documentation otherwise ?

I may be being hard nosed, but I can't help wondering about many of them, particularly the young men, whom I would have thought would be endeavouring to gain freedom for their people in their own countries, by preparing to fight for it, whether physically or intellectually rather than running away, leaving family and friends behind.

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Reply #247 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:57am

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"Then the boat crashed into the cliff. There was chaos in the water, there was small children, women. The men seemed to hug the life jackets and it was not a nice sight to see men pushing women away from life jackets, looking after themselves."

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Not nice to read phill Human nature i surpose

I don't know if it is human nature. There are few fathers I've met who wouldn't put their children's lives before their own and we know that many men have died trying to save their child.

It is the culture in the ME where females and children are basically chattels and their status is often not much higher than the family goat. This is where I feel distaste for some of the asylum seekers. The men come out here alone and leave their families to fend for themselves in terrible conditions. Probably many of them are killed as a result of the husbands fleeing to a better life and it is often years, if ever before they are brought here.

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Reply #248 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:02pm

FRED. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

lol......some people have no shame!!!

Like turning this into a political football lol

Exactly.....both major parties should be ashamed of there pathetic approach and rhetoric.....refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will wonder what all the hysteria was all about....then everyone will deny they were anything but humane and caring.....wankers!!!

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Reply #249 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:15pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:02pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

lol......some people have no shame!!!

Like turning this into a political football lol

Exactly.....both major parties should be ashamed of there pathetic approach and rhetoric.....refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will wonder what all the hysteria was all about....then everyone will deny they were anything but humane and caring.....wankers!!!

refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will

Processed on the mainland How do they get here "by boat"

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Reply #250 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:21pm

nichy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am:

nichy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:34am:

Phil, it sounds as though you are implying that the Coalition is encouraging people to board unsafe boats, having paid many thousand of dollars to do so, with no certainty of a safe arrival.
And as for this quote from Howard - "Can I just say that I've always sought to maximize the primary vote of the Liberal Party, that's the first obligation of any political leader", the same could be said for Gillard except that she has also sold out to the Greens in order to maximise HER position.

Not at all Nichy......I have no doubt Abbott will stop the boats at any cost to the asylum seekers.....regardless of there refugee status......The Labor party are no better than the Coalition as far as policy is concerned.....Labor have failed on both border security and there international commitment.....Labor said they would stop the boats.....they cannot stop the boats.....if treating refugees like criminals and persecuting them further is the solution of the major parties.....they do not have a solution they have is a return to the failed policies of the past.....where a person could be deported for something as trivial as stealing a loaf of bread or have the misfortune of being born poor and desperate.

The Greens are the only party with a sensible non inflammatory approach to this issue.....everyone deserves the right to be free and pursue a better life.....refugees have only accepted the fact Australia is a signatory to the International Convention for Refugees.....it is time Australia and it's major parties also accepted this fact and stopped treating refugees like convicts!!!

Angry

Phil, I am not in favour of anyone, refugee or otherwise , thumbing their noses at our laws. By employing illegal means to get here is doing just that. I was under the impression the Australian government had invested a great deal of money to have these people processed in Indonesia, perhaps the boat people know that they will be found not to be genuine refugees. Why do they destroy their documentation otherwise ?

I may be being hard nosed, but I can't help wondering about many of them, particularly the young men, whom I would have thought would be endeavouring to gain freedom for their people in their own countries, by preparing to fight for it, whether physically or intellectually rather than running away, leaving family and friends behind.

The people of Afghanistan and Iraq should not be expected to fight for the people who invaded there country and installed a puppet regime that was no better than the government they replaced accept for their supposed political allegiance.....these countries are not in civil war because of the invading forces of the West who have turned the region into a powder keg of extremism over there quest for oil.....I find your argument is a simplistic nationalist rant without any substance.....the argument of a fascist.....my country right or wrong......fight for the cause or be branded a traitor.....hail Hitler!!!

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

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Reply #251 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:23pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

Wasn't it after all Labor under Hawke (one of Gillards political heroes and fellow soft-socialist) who introduced Mandatory indefinite detention of our refugees (man, woman and child) until given a visa or deported back in 1992?

If you think Labor are refugee soft, think again, it was afterall them who introduced the mandatory detention of refugees to begin with.

Perhaps you should read this before condemning Liberals any further?

http://www.australiancollaboration.com.au/_factsheets/1.%20Immigration_FactSheet...

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....The masses have been so drip-fed, anyone would think Howard introduced the mandatory detention of refugees himself, when in fact, it was one of Labors own.

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Reply #253 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:30pm

FRED. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:02pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

lol......some people have no shame!!!

Like turning this into a political football lol

Exactly.....both major parties should be ashamed of there pathetic approach and rhetoric.....refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will wonder what all the hysteria was all about....then everyone will deny they were anything but humane and caring.....wankers!!!

refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will

Processed on the mainland How do they get here "by boat"

No Fred.....most arrive by plane and are allowed to roam free once there identity is confirmed.....Asylum seekers whom arrive by boat are not breaking any laws despite what you and other conservatives like to claim.....refugees are allowed to travel through as many countries as they like until THEY feel they are safe.....this alleviates the burden on countries who are adjacent to war zones and overrun by millions of refugees.....the process is supposed to share the burden to the greater world community and offer hope to the millions who otherwise will live and die in refugee camps!!!

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Reply #254 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:30pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 12:02pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

History has shown that the refugees will eventually stop coming without resorting to draconian policies of persecution and deportation......Australia will look back on this period with shame and regret....no doubt the Conservatives will spin the treatment of refugees into a story of compassion and caring for there fellow human being and deny there policies were inhumane.....we have learnt nothing from history.....Australia still has elements of the white Australia policy within it's society and some politicians exploit it for all it is worth.....Coalition supporters are already trying to spin Howards treatment of genuine refugees into a compassionate policy of caring and concern......lol......some people have no shame!!!

lol......some people have no shame!!!

Like turning this into a political football lol

Exactly.....both major parties should be ashamed of there pathetic approach and rhetoric.....refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will wonder what all the hysteria was all about....then everyone will deny they were anything but humane and caring.....wankers!!!

refugees should be processed on the mainland and the whole issue defused....the boats will stop and people will

Processed on the mainland How do they get here "by boat"

No Fred.....most arrive by plane and are allowed to roam free once there identity is confirmed.....Asylum seekers whom arrive by boat are not breaking any laws despite what you and other conservatives like to claim.....refugees are allowed to travel through as many countries as they like until THEY feel they are safe.....this alleviates the burden on countries who are adjacent to war zones and overrun by millions of refugees.....the process is supposed to share the burden to the greater world community and offer hope to the millions who otherwise will live and die in refugee camps!!!

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So they will still travel and die in stinkig boats IM starting to think even the timor idea is not bad

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