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Reply #15 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:05am
 
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SIEV X stands for Suspected Illegal Entry Vessel X. SIEV is the acronym used by the surveillance authority for any boat that has entered Australian waters without prior authorisation and the X is a designation where a tracking number has not or is yet to be assigned, in accordance with Australian Government orders.[1] It is also used by Tony Kevin,[2] to refer to a dilapidated Indonesian fishing boat that was en-route from Sumatra to Christmas Island carrying over 400 asylum seekers. It sank in international waters on 19 October 2001, just south of the Indonesian island of Java, killing 353 people. The tragedy was politically controversial in Australia, as it occurred during an election campaign at a time when asylum seekers and border protection were major issues.

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1 Background
2 Sinking
3 Senate Select Committee
4 SIEV X Memorial
5 Notes
6 See also
7 Further reading
8 External links


[edit] Background
The SIEV-X incident occurred during the 2001 Australian Federal election campaign. The Tampa affair had focused national media's attention on the issue of asylum seekers. Prime Minister John Howard claimed his policy would prevent people smuggling and stop the boats of asylum seekers from arriving in Australia. The Howard Government had issued instructions to the Royal Australian Navy and the Australian Federal Police (AFP) to prevent any refugees from reaching Australia via boat. The AFP set about a campaign of disrupting organised people smugglers who operated with overcrowded and dangerous boats. The Royal Australian Navy began intercepting boats that entered Australian waters and transferring all people to Christmas Island

[edit] Sinking
On 18 October 2001, a small, unnamed 19.5m by 4m Indonesian fishing boat departed Bandar Lampung, Indonesia, with 421 passengers onboard. On the 19th, the boat sank during a storm in Indonesian waters about 70 km south of Java. The area was legally international waters but within both Indonesia's EEZ and Indonesia's internationally designated zone of search and rescue responsibility. It also fell inside a temporary Australian border protection surveillance area around the Australian external territory of Christmas Island (which is some 1700 km from mainland Australia). This latter designation was an internal planning and operational tool used by the Australian authorities to deter people smuggling. It had no legal validity and conferred no responsibility in international law. At the time, no Australian aerial reconnaissance flights were mounted because of storm weather, the nearest Australian vessel was hundreds of kilometres away, there was confusion about various boats, and it was thought this particular SIEV had probably returned to Indonesia.[citation needed]

Approximately 146 children, 142 women and 65 men died. On the 20th, 44 survivors were rescued by an Indonesian fishing boat, the Indah Jaya Makmur. A 45th survivor was rescued about twelve hours later by another boat, the Surya Terang.[3].

[edit] Senate Select Committee
On 20 February 2002, the Australian Senate Select Committee inquiring into ‘A Certain Maritime Incident’ met for the first time. Its primary task was to investigate the children overboard affair, however its terms of reference also included investigating “operational procedures observed by the Royal Australian Navy and by relevant Commonwealth agencies to ensure the safety of asylum seekers on vessels entering or attempting to enter Australian waters”.

The committee investigated the SIEV-X sinking, and concluded that "... it [is] extraordinary that a major human disaster could occur in the vicinity of a theatre of intensive Australian operations and remain undetected until three days after the event, without any concern being raised within intelligence and decision making circles." While no government department was found to be to blame for the tragedy, the Committee was surprised that there had been no internal investigations into any systemic problems which could have allowed the Australian government to prevent it from occurring.

[edit] SIEV X Memorial

the facts are those people smugglers responsible for this tragedy were jailed..the Aust govt did do something to stop these evil people from preying on desperate people...however someone saw fit to put a stop to that.and now its a no holds barred environment for people smugglers.

dont tell me any of you so called bleeding hearts are any more concerned about this  than anyone else...it was an accident waiting in the wings.. we are just bloody lucky there havent been a lot more,.
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Reply #16 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:08am
 
We will never know how many lives have been lost over the last few decades, but I think Labor will have a serious rethink about their current policy on asylum seekers.

They will have no choice now.

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Reply #17 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:16am
 
Infarction wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 5:56am:
To blame this on our Government we would of course have to over look all the factors that have lead these people to leave their country in the first place and that they would have left for somewhere anyhow.

That aside for a moment, it appears that the Liberals actually enjoy the boats and have no regard for the people upon them other than to use them as political ammunition.

Their stance:

the issue of asylum seekers was ''fantastic'' for the Coalition and ''the more boats that come the better''

Yes, it is really "fantastic"  Roll Eyes

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/us-slams-political-games-on-refugees-20101215-18y9s.html?skin=text-only



typical comment from the left..wish I had a dollar for everytime the left have dragged up Tampa.. but never mind.. whats the old saying about people who live in glass house.?????

my stance on this from the moment I heard about it was IT SHOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED...if this bloody do nothing govt had actually done something... these people smugglers would have been stopped long ago..

instead we have something like 6000 a year now..and this you call compassion...well done, smashed on the rocks..
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Reply #18 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:17am
 
mantra wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:08am:
We will never know how many lives have been lost over the last few decades, but I think Labor will have a serious rethink about their current policy on asylum seekers.

They will have no choice now.





so do you think thats a good idea.. or better left as it is????
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Reply #19 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:40am
 
I think it would be a good idea for the yanks and their cohorts to stop invading other countries for oil, then the people can live in their own lands. Who next? Iran? that's been on the cards for a while now, looks good for some oil. At least they'll have an excuse for going broke....fighting wars for the good of mankind.

While ever we have wars, we will have asylum seekers. We might even become asylum seekers in a few short years if we don't think seriously about letting go of America's apron strings.

Do we want to be smart and concentrate on making a good, safe country for ourselves, or do we want to hang out with the bully-boys and get dragged down with them?
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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
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Reply #20 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:45am
 
Quote:
so do you think thats a good idea.. or better left as it is????


Like many Australians - whether from the left or right, the number of asylum seekers heading here has concerned me, but it was predicted in 2007 that there were at least 10,000 people waiting for boats.

One of the many reasons Howard was voted out was because of his harsh stance on refugees and now Labor has tried the alternative and it obviously isn't working.

The UN is also instrumental in directing our government to take certain action - so the blame for the policy change and the surge of refugees is not necessarily the government's fault.

I think there will be a further concerted push to get a centre set up in East Timor now. Gillard appears to be waiting for their consideration which I think will be accepted sooner now - rather than later.

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Reply #21 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:46am
 
Thanks Labor.
It has often been said that the removal of a working policy to install a failed policy was going to eventually cost lives one day.
And that day is here.
If Howards policy was left to stand, this would not have happened.
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Reply #22 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:52am
 
Julia Gillard's ignorance on this matter is amazing, but her childish stubborness is not.
Julia Gillard was forewarned that when they relaxed the Pacific Solution after 170 deaths had already occurred that more would die following due to her encouragement for the people smugglers to bring more. Gillard chose to ignore that advice, claiming "There is no evidence to support this figure".
Well Julia Gillard has the figures now!
But will Julia Gillard finally come to some sense and re-instate the Pacific Solution, or is her Death Solution meant to be the disincentive for people smugglers?
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Reply #23 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:12am
 
If you’re going to have policies which invite people in leaky boats to come here, then sooner or later this type of tragedy is going to happen.
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Reply #24 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:14am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:40am:
I think it would be a good idea for the yanks and their cohorts to stop invading other countries for oil, then the people can live in their own lands. Who next? Iran? that's been on the cards for a while now, looks good for some oil. At least they'll have an excuse for going broke....fighting wars for the good of mankind.

While ever we have wars, we will have asylum seekers. We might even become asylum seekers in a few short years if we don't think seriously about letting go of America's apron strings.

Do we want to be smart and concentrate on making a good, safe country for ourselves, or do we want to hang out with the bully-boys and get dragged down with them?



pansi I really think you have to stop this blame America and Oil for wars and people displacement..

look at the internal structure of most of these countries that people apparrantly flee.. Sri Lanka being one.. I dont recall the yanks invading that country..

why do these people leave their country that has been invaded by a viscious enemy [ USA +] for another one that is almost identical to America.and happens to be on the same side.

if the Americans are so bad and the reason for them fleeing??? wouldnt you think they would pick on an Arab country for shelter.one thats more honest and less aggressive.. I know I would.

I guess we can thank our lucky stars we dont have a horn of plenty when it comes to oil holdings..otherwise we could well be on their hit list!
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Reply #25 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:17am
 
viewpoint wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:12am:
If you’re going to have policies which invite people in leaky boats to come here, then sooner or later this type of tragedy is going to happen.




isnt anyone else amazed that this hasnt happened over and over again???

27 dead so far and they dont really know how many were on board, could be more than 100..ABC news
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Reply #26 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:33am
 
codswal wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:17am:
viewpoint wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:12am:
If you’re going to have policies which invite people in leaky boats to come here, then sooner or later this type of tragedy is going to happen.




isnt anyone else amazed that this hasnt happened over and over again???

27 dead so far and they dont really know how many were on board, could be more than 100..ABC news




There's bene over 200 deaths sinch the dismantling of the Pacific Solution.
Where's Julian Burnside, David Marr, Jill Singer and all the other rent-a-crowd people complaining about this, and prior to this recent tragedy?
These people have been lured here, encouraged to come here by the Rudd/Gillard governments 'go soft' policy.
They silence is deafening from them.
Julia Gillard has blood on her hands!
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Reply #27 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:36am
 
What you risk reveals what you value.
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Freedom is worth the risk to these people.....treating them inhumanly as a deterrent is immoral and goes against the grain of Australian society were we promote a fair go for everyone.....Australia has NOTHING to be proud of......we should be ashamed of the way we treat genuine refugees….who are we to decide what someone else’s freedom is worth???

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Reply #28 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
Julia Gillard claims that it is too early to comment on, yet that hasn't stopped her ministers from blaming the navy.
And recall when the boat people blew their own boat up (Ashmore Reef) where 5 people died, the government said it wa stoo early to comment on, but again they blamed the navy in the meantime.
Now it will be no surprise to anyone that the first response from the lefties will be that the 'too soft' approach is too hard!
Guess we'll just have to bring them out each on their own private lear jet, and chauffeur driven veicle to and from the airport.
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Reply #29 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
Howard lied when he claimed Siev X sunk in Indonesian waters......An Australian navy ship was the closest vessel to the sinking and the Howard government did nothing to prevent the tragedy despite knowing the vessel was in trouble......the truth is a lot different to the crap peddled by the right......Siev X was allowed to happen!!!

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